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[RobL82]

A TRAITOR IS ABOUT TO BE HONORED
KEEP THIS MOVING ACROSS AMERICA


This is for all the kids born in the 70's who do
not remember, and didn't have to bear the
burden that our fathers, mothers and older
brothers and sisters had to bear.


Jane Fonda is being honored as one of the
"100 Women of the Century."


Unfortunately, many have forgotten and still
countless others have never known how Ms.
Fonda betrayed not only the idea of our country,
but specific men who served and sacrificed
during Vietnam.


The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot.
The pilot's name is Jerry Driscoll, a River Rat.
In 1968, the former Commandant of the USAF
Survival School was a POW in Ho Lo Prison
the "Hanoi Hilton."

Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell,
cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean PJ's, he was
ordered to describe for a visiting American
"Peace Activist" the "lenient and humane
treatment" he'd received.

He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and was
dragged away.
During the subsequent beating, he fell forward
on to the camp Commandant's feet, which
sent that officer berserk.

In 1978, the Air Force Colonel still suffered from
double vision (which permanently ended his
flying career) from the Commandant's frenzied
application of a wooden baton.

From 1963-65, Col. Larry Carrigan was in the
47FW/DO (F-4E's). He spent 6 years in the
"Hanoi Hilton",,, the first three of which his
family only knew he was "missing in action".
His wife lived on faith that he was still alive.
His group, too, got the cleaned-up, fed and
clothed routine in preparation for a
"peace delegation" visit.
They, however, had time and devised a plan to
get word to the world that they were alive
and still survived Each man secreted a tiny
piece of paper, with his Social Security Number
on it, in the palm of his hand.

When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a
cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each
man's hand and asking little encouraging
snippets like: "Aren't you sorry you bombed
babies?" and "Are you grateful for the humane
treatment from your benevolent captors?"
Believing this HAD to be an act, they each
palmed her their sliver of paper.
She took them all without missing a beat. At the
end of the line and once the camera stopped
rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs,
she turned to the officer in charge and handed
him all the little pieces of paper.

Three men died from the subsequent beatings.
Colonel Carrigan was almost number four
but he survived, which is the only reason we
know of her actions that day.

I was a civilian economic development advisor
in Vietnam, and was captured by the North
Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in
1968, and held prisoner for over 5 years.

I spent 27 months in solitary confinement; one
year in a cage in Cambodia; and one year
in a "black box" in Hanoi.
My North Vietnamese captors deliberately
poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a
nurse in a leprosarium in Ban me Thuot, South
Vietnam, whom I buried in the jungle near the
Cambodian border.
At one time, I weighed only about 90 lbs.
(My normal weight is 170 lbs.)

We were Jane Fonda's "war criminals."

When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi, I was asked by
the camp communist political officer if I would
be willing to meet with her.

I said yes, for I wanted to tell her about the real
treatment we POWs received... and how
different it was from the treatment purported by
the North Vietnamese, and parroted by her as
"humane and lenient."

Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky
floor on my knees, with my arms outstretched
with a large steel weights placed on my hands,
and beaten with a bamboo cane.

I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda
soon after I was released. I asked her
if she would be willing to debate me on TV.
She never did answer me.

These first-hand experiences do not exemplify
someone who should be honored as part
of "100 Years of Great Women."
Lest we forget..." 100 Years of Great Women"
should never include a traitor whose hands are
covered with the blood of so many patriots.

There are few things I have strong visceral
reactions to, but Hanoi Jane's participation in
blatant treason, is one of them.
Please take the time to forward to as many
people as you possibly can.
It will eventually end up on her computer and
she needs to know that we will never forget.

RONALD D. SAMPSON, CMSgt, USAF
716 Maintenance Squadron, Chief of
Maintenance
DSN: 875-6431
COMM: 883-6343

PLEASE HELP BY SENDING THIS TO EVERYONE IN YOUR

ADDRESS BOOK. IF ENOUGH PEOPLE SEE THIS MAYBE HER

STATUS WILL CHANGE.

Regards, Bob Neil
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Rob Lacy
United States Marine Corps
Semper Fi

[LewWaters]

While Hanoi Jane is due any and all contempt shown towards here, this article is misleading. The Woman of the Century selection was in 1999 and I don't remember who won.

Additionally, some references made within the article are true, some embellished and a couple actually false. A good way to discredit the truth is to throw in some falsehoods and declare the whole thing as false because of them.

http://www.snopes.com/military/fonda.asp

To me, she is a dispicable person, but let us not allow the things she actually did to be hidden behind false claims added to truthful ones.
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Clark County Conservative

[RobL82]

okay alot might not be true. but also just any part of it being true is a problem.

and how do we know everything that she did do since many people she dealed with could be dead.

so just because parts of it might be false. their are other parts that could be greatly worse then that. that will never come out
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Rob Lacy
United States Marine Corps
Semper Fi

[Navy_Navy_Navy]

The letter is partly true.

I got a couple of copies of it from my Father, years ago, in its original state. He was still furious with her. As was I, when I learned what she had done.

Lew's point is that what she DID was bad enough, despicable enough, to keep her on peoples' snitlists forever.

On this board, we try to keep the record straight. Always the truth, as best we know it. That's what keeps us credible. And it's one reason that we're together - for the truth.

If you find documentary evidence of other things she's done which are just as bad or worse than what we know she really did, then please post them along with the documentation for them.

Stickers with her face on them aren't plastered in urinals all over the country for nothing.


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~ Echo Juliet ~
Altering course to starboard - On Fire, Keep Clear
Navy woman, Navy wife, Navy mother

[Guest]

[LewWaters]

As I said earlier, Hanoi Jane is as dispicable person as I've ever heard of. Yes, some Urban Legend sites do engage in revisionism but if they are all we have to go on, for now, we rely on them. Truth is what we seek and there is enough proveable truth concerning H.J. and her treasonous acts without adding falsehoods amongst them. All the falsehoods do is end up discrediting the proveable facts and feeds the revisionists.

It has been said by many that she apologized for her actions. Sorry, I neither buy it nor accept what little effort she made in the 80's, presumably to make a movie unhindered by locals offended by her actions.

It turns my stomach to have to post anything that may be in defense of this woman, but truth is truth, no matter how distasteful it may be. Another site that seems to have dug even deeper than Snopes has this article up about her actions;

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/weekly/aa110399.htm

Not everyone appreciates correcting these stories about her and many want to believe all the heinous acts attributed to her to be true. But, revisionist historians succeed in their revisionism by blending fact and fiction and and discrediting the fact by the very fiction they originally instilled injto the story. In other words, if parts of it aren't true, then none of it must be true.

The truth of what she did back then is bad enough that we should never allow any of it to become watered down by those wishing to discredit it. Or, as quoted from within the article located at About.com, "She did enough to place her name in the trash bin of history," Mike McGrath explained. "None of us need to make up stories on her."
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Clark County Conservative

[Catanne]

Sorry, but I'm not understanding just exactly what it is about what Jane Fonda did was "made up?" I've heard and read things all my life about that traitor. Apology or not, I would never accept it and I'm not one of those she betrayed. Her action of just going over there and having her picture taken with the enemy should be enough to convince people what a traitor she was.

[Navy_Navy_Navy]