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MassInd
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 Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 7:12 pm Post subject: Is Kim Jong Il dead or overthrown? |
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Interesting discussion over at FR titled:
Removal of Kim Jong Il’s Pictures from Public Places in North Korea [Kim Jong II dead?]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1281303/posts
| Quote: | Removal of Kim Jong Il’s Pictures from Public Places in North Korea [Kim Jong II dead?]
http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?bicode=060000&biid=2004111718248 ^
Posted on 11/16/2004 10:44:00 AM PST by free_life
Pictures of North Korean ruler Kim Jong Il are being removed from public places in Pyongyang and other parts of country. No word so far on who gave the order or its meaning.
=================== Russia’s state-run communication agency ITAR-TASS reported from Beijing quoting a diplomat in North Korea yesterday that pictures of the chairman of the DPRK National Defense Committee Kim Jong Il are being removed from public places in North Korea.
The news reported that foreigners who were recently invited to the People’s Palace of Culture in Pyongyang noticed that only the late President Kim Il Sung’s picture remains and that Chairman Kim’s picture has been removed from the entrance.
They stated that on the wall where Chairman Kim’s picture was originally placed, there remained yellowish trace, which seems to be all that was left after repainting the spot, and a nail.
The informed source also conveyed that more cases in which Chairman Kim’s pictures were removed from places where they should be were observed, and it seems that although the reasons have not come to light, that a secret order to remove his pictures has been given within the North.
A Moscow diplomacy source also said, “The removal of Chairman Kim Jong Il’s pictures from public places is well known among foreigners living in Pyongyang, and diplomats of each country are working on understanding the meaning of this.”
He conveyed, “Opinions like ‘unsound health,’ that Chairman Kim recently got an operation, and an “internal conflict for power” are spreading, but none has been confirmed.”
Also being reported on Debka, where I first saw this. |
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I B Squidly
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| Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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Grab the popcorn this is a must watch!
Anyone know if we still stage "Team Spirit" with the ROKs? |
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Navy_Navy_Navy
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| Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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First seen on debka.
It figures. 
Dang, went and got my hopes up, too. 
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lrb111
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| Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Navy_Navy_Navy wrote: | First seen on debka.
It figures.
Dang, went and got my hopes up, too. |
Don't throw out the baby with the bath water.
First seen on Debka, and by weeks of lead time were:
"WMDs trucked to Syria and Bekaa valley in Lebanon."
"Iraqi Baathists hiding on resort coast of Syria."
Assad kicked Uday and Qusay out of Syria, as they were too hot, but others remain and are known to be there.
"Syria has Sadaam's money."
9 months ago, reported week before last in the MSM as Syria has now admitted it.)
"Terrorists plan, then try to use WMDs in Jordan" Debka had the story of the planning, months before the event was revealed.
They do get some things right, and sometimes it's a long time before everyone else.
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well, when even the DNC can see it,,,,, then kerry is toast. |
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Gryffin
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Found this in the 15 November copy of The Australian. It may be connected as well. Unforutnately, North Korea is a black hole when it comes to accurate information.
| Quote: | Consort's death rocks Kim Jong-il
Michael Sheridan, Beijing
November 15, 2004
HARDLINERS have tightened their political grip on North Korea while Kim Jong-il, the Stalinist state's dictator, has retreated into virtual seclusion after the death of his favourite consort from cancer.
Chinese and Western sources say the regime has prepared for a state of siege as it confronts a re-elected US administration under George W. Bush that is determined to break Pyongyang and disarm it of nuclear weapons.
As Japanese envoys tried to persuade the North Koreans last week to rejoin multinational talks, Mr Kim's absence from the scene led to speculation a debilitating power struggle might have paralysed the ruling group.
This followed the death of Koh Young-hee, a dancer who had provided Mr Kim with an heir-apparent to the world's only communist dynasty.
"The loss of this woman was a blow," said a foreign diplomat.
"But (US Democratic candidate) John Kerry's loss in the US election was a harder one. These are now very worried men."
Diplomats and aid officials in Pyongyang noticed the first signs of a clampdown when some members of their North Korean staff were abruptly reassigned to new jobs and others became more nervous than usual about discussing current affairs. Restrictions had been imposed on foreigners' movements, they said.
Telephones used by foreign residents have been cut off and the secret police have assumed control of the country's mobile phone service.
Entry permits for foreigners have been curtailed.
The story of how personal bereavement and international crisis became intertwined began with the shipment of an elaborate coffin from Paris to Pyongyang during the summer.
North Korean diplomats had ordered it for Koh, 51, who flew home to die after specialists at an exclusive Paris clinic decided she could not be saved from breast cancer.
There was no public funeral, but North Koreans noticed that extravagant praise for a figure called Omonim ("respected mother") had vanished from propaganda documents.
Koh, whose family arrived from Japan in the 1960s, caught Mr Kim's roving eye when she was dancing in the renowned Mansudae Art Troupe.
The dictator, 63, has had at least two wives and many affairs, but defectors say Koh emerged as the most influential woman in a regime beset by dynastic rivalries.
In 1981, she gave birth to their son Kim Jong-chul, who was educated in Geneva and now works in the propaganda department of the ruling Korean Workers Party. A second son, Kim Jong-un, followed three years later.
South Korean intelligence officials have identified Jong-chul as Mr Kim's chosen heir, displacing his eldest son, Kim Jong-nam, whose mother, Song Hye-rim, died in Moscow in 2002 after seeking treatment for depression.
Chinese, Japanese and Russian diplomats have all urged the North Koreans to return to the negotiating table to avoid a showdown with the US. The response was a demand that the US President renounce a refugee law he signed to help North Korean refugees.
Meanwhile, the human toll of China's treaty of friendship with North Korea is mounting. The Chinese have sent home 62 defectors caught in police raids, knowing they are destined for concentration camps. The deportations, commented Chosun Ilbo, the South Korean newspaper, were "tantamount to telling them, 'Go and die"'. |
I had to hi-lite the paragraph about Kerry; seemed kinda poignant. |
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Digger
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| Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 4:45 am Post subject: |
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I was going to say something about DEBKA but I think I'll pass for now.
I just want to sit back and gloat while you smart a**es eat your portion of crow. So you don't know where the WMDs are hey? 
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eXcel
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| Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 9:08 am Post subject: |
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| maybe he realized what an idiot he looks like with that hair and sunglasses and is having all new portraits done. |
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PhantomSgt
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| Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 10:23 am Post subject: Nope |
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The Team Spirit Exercise was squashed by the Clinton Admin since they considered it too threatening to North Korea.
DUUUUUUHHHHH that was what the exercise was designed for Bill, to scare the crap out of them and have our forces in-place during the highest threat of attack season, winter.
Armor and troops move faster over frozen rice paddies.
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