SwiftVets.com

[Kimmymac]

When my dad (a Marine) was in the Pacific theater of World War II they would come across these pamphlets dropped by the Japanese that depicted the Marines with cartoonish bloody dripping fangs, and told the Japanese villagers that the Marines were trained to eat children.

I read an article by our own lovely AP in this Sunday's paper about some games the Marines in Iraq had organized to relieve some of the tension before going into Fallujah, and it made the Marines out to be ignorant, animal abusing monsters. One step above what the Japanese propaganda said.

Watch for the OLM to drop all pretense of supporting our troops now that they have failed in their bid to install Kerry in the WH. They will be looking to completely demoralize us wrt Iraq and Afghanistan, and they are looking for us to lose so they can destroy Bush's presidency.

The real battle has begun: The War to Prevent the Vietnamization of Iraq.

Battle stations, everyone.
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The last refuge of scoundrels is not patriotism; it is finicky liberal humanitarianism.--Martin Paretz

[LimaCharlie]

Ready on the starboard (right) side!
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I was going to become an anarchist, but they had too many rules.

[1991932]

Ready in the Liberty Tunnel.

We expect Flipper to join us shortly.
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Former "War Criminal"

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[MSeeger]

I caught a glimpse of a press conference the other day on C-Span or Fox News, can't remember where...but anyway it was Donald Rumsfeld giving a press cnference on the state of affairs in Fallujah from the Pentagon.

One of the reporters, an earnest looking young man (pity he's a liberal) asked him a loaded question...something along the lines of how many civilian casualties could be expected to come out of this battle in Fallujah. Naturally, Mr. Rumsfeld refused to go down that road.

I don't think the reporter expected an honest answer, to be truthful. He just wanted to be able to write that Rumsfeld refused to answer any questions about civilian casualties, so as to plant the seeds of doubt in the eyes of the American public that our military was deceiving us.

Maria
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Be not deceived, God is not mocked, for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. Gal. 6:7

[srmorton]

I know that some of you no longer trust FOX, but I watch it all the time.
They are extremely supportive of the US military. In fact, some of their
correspondents are former members of the military. IMO, they in no
way would try to do to Iraq what the networks did to Vietnam.
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Susan R. Morton

[LimaCharlie]

[Kimmymac]

The media is playing an interesting game; they delight in reporting how "easy" the victories are (the fall of Baghdad, reaching the center of Fallujah) and after that has percolated they begin with the "...but why is Iraq still out of control? Why can't Bush get it under control when we are so powerful?"

The reporting of the "easy victories" followed by the growing sense of "US military impotence", functions like a line of coke--a quick artificial high, followed by a hell of a hangover.

It is important that the American people understand how fluid the situation is in Iraq, and how fragile whatever stability we do manage to acheive is. We need to maintain our long term commitment, and not get high on military successes, only to get hung-over at the fluidity and instability. Guerilla warfare is the most dangerous type, and urban guerilla warfare is a nightmare of epic scale. We must all be committed to stay the course, come hell or high water, and not play the media's game.

They are trying to set us up--let's not allow it. If we fail in Iraq we are done in the Middle East. If we lose now, we can chuck it all in. This fight against the spin is as important as the defeat of Kerry was; for our servicemen and women, for our future, and for the future of freedom throughout the world.

Call, write, email the media outlets. Let them know you are on to the game. Be polite, concise and on point. Monitor the squawk box, and make notes of specific points of spin. Be on their @$$ like white on rice.

War is hell--let's make sure the OLM understands just how much like hell it can become for them. Spread the joy.
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The last refuge of scoundrels is not patriotism; it is finicky liberal humanitarianism.--Martin Paretz

[JB Stone]

ANOTHER SIDE OF THE STORY....

hen and Now...

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I got this today and found it interesting how the old CW4 remembered how we were referred to years ago thanks in large part to John Kerry. The Swift Boat Vets and POW’s for Truth have done a lot to dispel that brand that Kerry gave us.




Hello T

On Veterans Day this Thursday, November 11th we will honor all those service members and their families that have served and sacrificed before us. We deeply respect and admire the dedication and selfless service of all combat veterans.

Task Force 185th Aviation would like to dedicate our success here in Iraq to the Vietnam Helicopter Pilots, crewmen and all support people that developed the basics of our modern day Army Aviation doctrine. Thanks to our predecessors we have the most modern high tech aircraft, we have tried and true tactics, techniques and procedures and we have the proven skills to accomplish our mission. When we arrived in Iraq we were more than prepared for the challenge.

In contrast the helicopter pilots of Vietnam were young men that went from high school to flight school and then straight to Vietnam. The average age of a helicopter pilot in Vietnam was in their early 20's and the concept of helicopters in combat was a novelty. 35 years later, the average age of TF 185th pilots is 34 and the average flight experience is almost 3,000 hours. Despite their inexperience, the Vietnam era pilots were fearless and innovative as they adapted and developed ways to utilize the helicopter in combat.

The 185th is mostly a National Guard and Reserve task force. While most Vietnam Veterans have long been retired, 10% of our pilots are Vietnam "old timers" in their mid 50's. Over the years these veterans along with many others have been our mentors and role models as we trained and prepared for combat.

The enemy in Vietnam was more ferocious, smarter, and dedicated. Iraqi insurgents are cowards, picking on the innocent, or using hit and run tactics to avoid a fight. The Viet Cong may have used hit and run tactics, but they were deliberate in their prosecution of the war. When in a situation they couldn't back out of, they fought fiercely.

Shoulder fired man portable anti-aircraft missiles appeared at the end of the Vietnam War, so the aviators did not have to contend with them for long. What they learned about these new, small heat seeking missiles was critical to our tactics today. The greatest threat to our aircraft in Iraq is encountering new versions of this man portable anti-aircraft missile.

Due to the enemy threat and dense airspace usage here in Iraq detailed and time consuming mission planning is a way of life. Fortunately we have the computers, software and internet transmitted airspace coordination means to create computer generated maps and mission data for each flight. We also have GPS navigation systems, long range radios and complete flight instruments. For protection we only fly in pairs here, while in Vietnam they many times flew single ship with minimal pre-planning time using only a map and compass.

Today in Iraq, safety is paramount to everything we do. We even say our biggest enemy is ourselves in the form of an accident. We are required to conduct thorough risk analysis and track our duty time to prevent fatigue. In contrast, Vietnam Vets developed safety procedures only after frequent accidents or shoot-downs. In Iraq we also enjoy the tactical advantage of flying "blacked out" at night with Night Vision Goggles that were not invented back then.

But, perhaps the greatest difference between Iraq and Vietnam is the support at home. Today we enjoy widespread support on the home front. Even those who can't see why we are fighting rarely slander soldiers when they protest the war. This may be in part due to 9/11, but it is also because our nation remembers the nature of 1960s war protesters, and their actions toward returning Vietnam Vets. Such conduct is no longer acceptable in mainstream American society. This quote by Vietnam Veteran CW4 XXXXXX XXXXX makes it clear:

"When comparing Vietnam to Iraq, there were a few things that were painful. First, we went as individuals, not as units. We came and went at different times. We often left in the middle of the night, coming home to a town that may or may not have known you even left. We were cursed, called baby killers, and completely disrespected for many years. You, however, are seen as heroes and should receive the accolades you deserve."

We in Task Force 185th have a lot to thank the Aviators and men of the helicopter units of Vietnam for, from their pioneering tactics in Air Mobile Warfare; to the way they proved what was needed in the way of future aircraft. The burdens they bore both at war and at home have made our success in Iraq possible. We could write a book about this issue, but not at this time. We ask that you forward this email to a Vietnam aviator, crewmember or mechanic and thank them.

On this Veterans Day we also want to give a special thanks to our family members for their sacrifices this year while we serve in Iraq. Your thoughts, support and prayers are literally a God send. Our families are now veterans too and they are our heroes!!!


Catfish 6
TF 185th Aviation
"In the Sunni Triangle"
Commanding


The LIES of the LEFT, attempting to sanctify their "Anti-War" efforts....God FORBID that John Kerry had been elected..... Mad

[rb325th]

"Vietnamisation" Of Iraq is a media concocted fantasy that further displays their bias. They are not speaking of giving the Iraqis further control of their destiny, they are drumming up the old tired quagmire images they so gleefully portrayed in the late 60s and early 70s. They are attempting to do nothing less than undermine the efforts of this Nation to bring about a positive change in a troubled area of the world.
If it were a Democrat who had gone into Iraq, they certainly would not be singing this tune. Then again had Al Gore won in 2000 , we'd still be suffering from terrorist Attacks here at home.
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U.S. Army 1983-1995, 11C1P/11H2P NBTDT

[Kimmymac]

"MARINE SHOOTS WOUNDED INSURGENT"

I told you this was coming, my friends. They are as predictable as the sunrise.

Now let's surround them, isolate them, and blast their @$$es to irrelevance.

We owe them. We owe them for what they did in Vietnam to our soldiers then, and we owe it to them for what they are trying to do to them now.

They must really think we are stupid. Oh yeah! That's right! We are--we voted for Bush, so we are just ignorant, unsophisticated incestuous hillbillys.



Go get the f**kers, people.
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The last refuge of scoundrels is not patriotism; it is finicky liberal humanitarianism.--Martin Paretz

[Mother]

Baby, I'm with you ten thousand percent.

Screw preaching to the choir. I emailed the Secret Service (again) about the lack of appropriate coverage in biased reporting by embedded reporters.

It's interesting that those who don't support our military scream this is another Vietnam.

It's time it was screamed back.

It's time for Swift Vets make the call.

Thirty years of this **** wasn't enough?

[jwb7605]

[Digger]

I read these stories and found myself thanking God that I wasn't in Viet nam.I feel for you guys. Hearing your words makes me feel like killing somebody and I'm usually not that type. I hate to think of what I would have done in your shoes. I probably would have gotten a life sentence for it if not the death penalty. I think it's a wonder that no one ever went boffo and killed a bunch of these dillys.

You're home now lads. Time to have a good pint and forget about the war. My hat's off to you.

CHEERS
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Hey swifty, I'm with you, Just watch you don't get "Kerry'd away in the propwash

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