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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 8:04 pm    Post subject: MoveOn.org. -- Why Kerry Lost?? Reply with quote

This moveon.org filmaker's theory is that Kerry lost because he
concealed his 'honorable' opposition to Vietnam War.
WHAT??? He lost because the Swiftvets exposed his DISHONOR!!!
These moonbats will never get it! Bold emphasis mine.

Where's the Rest of Him?
By ERROL MORRIS

Published: January 18, 2005

Cambridge, Mass. — SO why is George W. Bush taking the oath of office this week and not John Kerry? For me, the answer is clear: Mr. Kerry failed because of his inability to tell his own story. John Kerry could have presented to the American people his full biography, but instead he chose to edit who he was. Why?

My guess is that Mr. Kerry and his campaign believed that certain things could not be mentioned. Foremost among these was Mr. Kerry's opposition to the war in Vietnam, which was largely erased from the candidate's life. That was a mistake. People think in narratives - in beginnings, middles and ends. The danger when you edit something too severely is that it no longer makes sense; worse still, it leaves people with the disquieting impression that something is being hidden.

Muting Mr. Kerry's opposition to the Vietnam War had precisely this effect. Remember, this is the man who in 1971 made the following statement to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee:

"Each day to facilitate the process by which the United States washes her hands of Vietnam someone has to give up his life so that the United States doesn't have to admit something that the entire world already knows, so that we can't say they we have made a mistake. ... We are asking Americans to think about that, because how do you ask a man to be the last man to die in Vietnam? How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?"

Last year at the Democratic Convention in Boston, the Vietnam War was transformed into a strange version of World War II. Gone was the moral ambiguity, the complexity. Instead, Vietnam veterans appeared with Mr. Kerry as "a band of brothers," testifying to his heroism in battle.

This is what Mr. Kerry said in his acceptance speech: "Our band of brothers doesn't march together because of who we are as veterans, but because of what we learned as soldiers. We fought for this nation because we loved it and we came back with the deep belief that every day is extra. We may be a little older, we may be a little grayer, but we still know how to fight for our country."

Could Mr. Kerry's campaign advisers have forgotten about his role as a leader of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War? Could they have forgotten about his Senate testimony? Did they expect others to forget - particularly longtime anti-Kerry veterans like John E. O'Neill? If so, they were gravely mistaken, and their reticence on the subject merely made Mr. Kerry vulnerable to attack.

To me, John Kerry's heroism encompassed both his actions in combat and his willingness to change his mind and stand up for what he thought was right. He realized that soldiers and civilians were dying in a war that wasn't accomplishing its objectives. Yet he never tied this crucial piece of his biography into his campaign for the presidency. And in failing to do so, he left a blank space in his personal story - a blank space that made it possible for the criticisms of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth to be alarmingly effective.

By implying that his real heroism was fighting in Vietnam, Mr. Kerry also left himself open to the charge that he was somehow inauthentic. Americans have a complicated relationship with their military heroes: we expect them not to talk about their heroism. War heroes, in real life and in the movies, rarely speak about their courage in battle. Eisenhower didn't. Nor did Kennedy, Bob Dole, or the president's father.

And then there was the president. Though George W. Bush's military record was arguably less impressive than his opponent's, the Republicans never misrepresented who he was. Mr. Bush never pretended to be a war hero. He never pretended to be anything but a ne'er-do-well who turned his life around when he became a born-again Christian. His life story made sense; it was recognizable and easy to understand. There was no point in attacking him about his war record (or lack of one): he had already conceded the point. He had never claimed to be a hero. John Kerry had.

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Mr. Bush portrayed himself as a controversial but candid incumbent. In accepting his party's nomination, he said: "In the last four years, you and I have come to know each other. Even when we don't agree, at least you know what I believe and where I stand." This was the cornerstone of his approach. And it worked. People grasped who he was, even when they disagreed with his policies.

After the 2004 conventions, a New York Times poll asked people whether they felt that the candidates were not being candid about their war records. Many of Mr. Kerry's supporters were mystified that almost as large a percentage of Americans felt that he was holding something back as felt that Mr. Bush was doing the same.

But the polls made perfect sense. Mr. Kerry was holding something back - his real story about Vietnam. And in the end the questions about his service in Vietnam became questions about how he would deal with the war in Iraq. Was Mr. Kerry for it or against it? Questions about Iraq became questions about his candor, and vice versa.

What's disconcerting here is that Mr. Kerry had an out. He could have explained why he went to Vietnam and then opposed the war, and then he could have used this explanation to help people understand why he voted for the Iraq war and then voted against it. His experience with the changing nature of a war could have shifted those critical swing voters, convincing them that he was just the person to lead them at this juncture in our history.

Many people believe that Mr. Kerry is not preparing for his inaugural this week because he wasn't conservative enough, because the Democrats were outwitted by Karl Rove, because of gay marriage, because of the Christian evangelicals who supposedly came out of the woodwork on Election Day.

But these people miss the point. John Kerry lost because he concealed something that was completely honorable, even heroic: his opposition to Vietnam. George W. Bush told the truth about something that, to my mind, was not honorable: he supported that war but found a way to stay home. Mr. Kerry was forthright about almost everything except himself - and in this election that was not enough.
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Errol Morris, a filmmaker and director, won an Academy Award last year for the documentary "The Fog of War: 11 Lessons From the Life of Robert S. McNamara." In the 2004 campaign, he produced political commercials for MoveOn.org.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/18/opinion/18morris.html?oref=login
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Man, the theories from the other side get sillier and more desperate to avoid the truth as the days go on.

What next? Space aliens implanted me with a chip that caused me to sound so robotic and unemotional and uncommitted? That went haywire and caused my opinions to change every other day? That mussed up my hair and caused my weave to show and my Botox to give out too early? Rolling Eyes

Idiots.

I'd like to shake them all and yell in their faces. "You lost because there was nothing there but a dishonorable man who tried to put on the ill-fitting clothing of war hero and statesman!

"You lost because your candidate stepped on thousands of dead people in his climb toward the top!

"You lost because you believed in that myth, "electability" more than you believed in the generally good sense of the American public!

"Get over it already. Choose a real person next time. One with a solid record and the ability to understand what is really important to the average American. Security, solid financial states and a better world in which to bring up our children.

"And a plan for keeping all these things in effect isn't a bad idea, either!"



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 3:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Felt obliged to post this on the (put a couple of Hail Father, Holy Marys here) NYT Contributers site:

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To Do List for Errol Morris

In "Fog of War" Robert the Strange danced around his personal responsibilities for the disaster in Viet Nam and how he left LBJ holding the bag. Morris at least was able to get him on film. Sympathy for the old man likely lead to his misread of the Kerry campaign in "Where's the Rest of Him". Lacking the usual, gratuitous swipes at Bush I'l take it that he's just wrong and not an idealogue. Neither Kerry's military experience nor his protest record were 'winners'.

Kerry's anti-war position went back to at least 1965. The VVAW was founded by a fraud. The dissemblage Kerry foisted on the Senate was assisted by a former Kennedy speech writer and followed a communist script. In fact, documents discovered in the Viet Nam Archives at Texas Tech connected the dots between the Hanoi government and the VVAW. The whiff of treason drifts over this 'noble' effort. POWs and 3.5 million dead indochinese have different appelations for the anti-war movement There's strong speculation that Nixon gave Kerry an Executive Order of Dismissal from the armed services. Nixon's sh*t list! That'ld be a PR boon to any good Democrat but we'll never know because Kerry still won't release his military records.

Kerry's anti-war stance was a disaster in his '72 congressional race (in the one state that carried McGovern). Ever after he was a 'war hero'. The rest of the country was not as incurious as Kennedy acolytes, and there were plenty of people happy to supply details Kerry wouldn't.

The Swift Boat Vets kept Kerry from the White House, don't care about Massachuset's self abuse, will pat themselves on the back and close shop.

Mr. Morris I would recommend for your next film either 1) prove or disprove that Kerry was the true Manchurean candidate or 2) the Swiftys are partisan hacks or they're principalled veterans slimed by the Democrat/MSM machine. An honest inquiry on either subject is sorely lacking
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 4:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellent, Squidly!!
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 4:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, Navy_Navy_Navy and IB Squidly!! You all sure hit the nail on the head with your comments!!

If I didn't realize how serious Mr. Morris was, I would find his article absolutely hilarious! As it was, it gave me my laugh of the day!! Laughing Laughing Laughing

I appreciate it's being posted by shawa!

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Guess this forum censors itself Very Happy It must have mistook my use of the word "hit" as something else and therefore you see "**t" above! Twisted Evil
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OOPS, it still doesn't like the word I wrote "H_I_T"!!!

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 5:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does anyone else wonder whether the MoveOn people even checked out the story? I looks like they are just trying their best to put a spin on this to make it sound less silly, but every time they spin it, it sounds a little more ridiculous.

It's obvious that they have a problem relating actual facts to Kerry's lifelong nuance.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Errol Morris wrote:
...Mr. Kerry failed because of his inability to tell his own story....lost because he concealed something that was completely honorable...

He couldn't tell his version because it was a lie. He tried but had to continuously change the "facts." Even his "band" couldn't maintain a consistent story line. And he didn't lose because he concealed something. He lost because he was not good enough at concealing himself. Most of America learned about him and found him despicable. Hopefully, all the remaining facts about Silky Pony will be exposed before he runs for the Senate again.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The truth is, that had Kerry been honest and come out against the war in Iraq, he would have lost anyway...isn't that what did Howard Dean in?

Well, woulda, coulda, shoulda...I'm so glad it never happened.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kerry's victory in Iowa still has me baffled, given the double-digit lead enjoyed by Dean several weeks before the primary. I was told third-hand that an EXTREMELY good source within Clark's campaign attributed Kerry's Iowa surge to the "Kennedy Machine". Just how Kennedy maintains a political machine of that influence in Iowa is beyond my ken.
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