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Rdtf
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 Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 5:13 pm Post subject: Man Accused of Plotting to Assassinate Bush |
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,148338,00.html
Man Accused of Plotting to Assassinate Bush
Tuesday, February 22, 2005
ALEXANDRIA, Va. — A former Virginia high school valedictorian who had been detained in Saudi Arabia as a suspected terrorist was charged Tuesday with conspiring to assassinate President Bush and with supporting the Al Qaeda (search) terrorist network.
Ahmed Omar Abu Ali (search), 23, a U.S. citizen, made an initial appearance Tuesday in U.S. District Court but did not enter a plea. He contended that he was tortured while detained in Saudi Arabia since June of 2003 and offered through his lawyer to show the judge his scars.
The federal indictment said that in 2002 and 2003 Abu Ali and an unidentified co-conspirator discussed plans for Abu Ali to assassinate Bush. They discussed two scenarios, the indictment said, one in which Abu Ali "would get close enough to the president to shoot him on the street" and, alternatively, "an operation in which Abu Ali would detonate a car bomb."
Click here to read the indictment. The White House had no immediate comment.
Abu Ali was born in Houston and moved to Falls Church, Va., where he was valedictorian of his high school class. Federal prosecutors say Abu Ali joined an Al Qaeda cell in Saudi Arabia in 2001. The alleged Bush plot occurred while he was studying in that country.
His family contends that U.S. officials were behind his detention by Saudi authorities and wanted him held in that country so he could be tortured for information. A lawsuit brought on their behalf in U.S. District Court in Washington seeks to compel the government to disclose what it knows about Abu Ali and his detention.
Abu Ali's appearance in federal court here was a surprise because the government never publicly disclosed that he had left Saudi Arabia (search).
According to the indictment, Abu Ali obtained a religious blessing from another unidentified co-conspirator to assassinate the president. One of the unidentified co-conspirators in the plot is among 19 people the Saudi government said in 2003 was seeking to launch terror attacks in that country, according to the indictment.
More than 100 supporters of Abu Ali crowded the courtroom Tuesday and laughed when the charge was read aloud alleging that he conspired to assassinate Bush.
When Abu Ali asked to speak, U.S. Magistrate Liam O'Grady (search) suggested he consult with his attorney, Ashraf Nubani (search).
"He was tortured," Nubani told the court. "He has the evidence on his back. He was whipped. He was handcuffed for days at a time."
When Nubani offered to show the judge his back, O'Grady said that Abu Ali might be able to enter that as evidence on Thursday at a detention hearing.
"I can assure you you will not suffer any torture or humiliation while in the [U.S.] marshals' custody," O'Grady said.
Abu Ali is charged with six counts and would face a maximum of 80 years in prison if convicted. The charges include conspiracy to provide material support to Al Qaeda, providing material support to Al Qaeda, conspiracy to provide support to terrorists, providing material support to terrorists and contributing service to Al Qaeda.
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GM Strong
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| Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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"Profiling prohibited, just because the guy has a Saudi ancestry, is a young Muslim male and apparently a Jihadi sypathizer, we should not make assumptions. (or should we add it up) " Citizen or not, this guy is a terrorist wannabe and should be dealt with accordingly.
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wwIIvetsdaughter
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Wait a sec, a radical muslim male between the ages of 17 and 40 plotting against the USA? Who knew?  |
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blue9t3
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As one not to"profile" I would have to say he looks japannese, dont know for sure but I know I hate him all the same, if hes guilty of course. seems to me there was a little caucasian lad thats doing 20, oh yea, that was little johnny taliban! 
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MLB
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| Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 7:01 am Post subject: |
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I thought conspiracy to assassinate a president was a capital offense.
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oasis
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| Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 9:29 am Post subject: |
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Hello,
This is no Joke.
| Quote: | | More than 100 supporters of Abu Ali crowded the courtroom Tuesday and laughed when the charge was read aloud alleging that he conspired to assassinate Bush. |
U.S. Asks Saudi Arabia to Indict Or Return Terrorism Suspect
He is supported by none other then..
| Quote: | | Mahdi Bray, head of the Muslim American Society's Freedom Foundation, which has advocated for Abu Ali's release, said he thinks the U.S. request represents "the endgame of the Abu Ali situation. Either the government of Saudi Arabia is going to have to charge him, or they're going to have to bring him back home." |
I think that the DHS should look into this mans supporters as it concerns President Bush and national security.
I am going to add to a thread I have already started called"Is Iran a Threat?" concerning terrorists and Jihad to show you how serious this threat really is.
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GM Strong
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| Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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Re: High School Valedictorian.
It seems this is not your neighborhood local High School. It was a private school, sponsored by "Ta Dahh!!" Saudi Arabia  and it is the Islamic Saudi Academy in Alexandria, VA where some the teachers are suspected of terrorist related activities, NOOO!!. One of whom was the guy caught videotaping the Chesapeake Bay Bridge not too long ago.  ( YEAH, I know, a lot of folks sit around watching bridge videos). Who would have suspected this???  Hey MSM, how come you couldn't get past the Veledictorian part.  DUHHHH!! 
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Snipe
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I wonder how he liked Saudi jails?
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oasis
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| Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Snipe wrote: | I wonder how he liked Saudi jails?
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Hello,
We do not know for sure he was actually tortured.
The whippings could have been staged to make us think
he was tortured.
If we take the threat on President Bush less serious and turn
our attention to torture then they would be successful in their plan.
Let's look even deeper into what is really happening..
| Quote: | Saudi Venom in U.S. Mosques
by Daniel Pipes
New York Sun
February 1, 2005
Those of us following the development of Islam in America have for years worried about the unhealthy influence of Saudi money and ideas on American Muslims.
We watched apprehensively as the Saudi government boasted of funding mosques and research centers; as it announced its support for Islamist organizations such as the Council on American-Islamic Relations; as it trained the imams who became radicalized chaplains in American prisons, and as it introduced Wahhabism to university campuses via the Muslim Student Association.
But through the years, we lacked information on the content of Saudi materials. Do they water down or otherwise change the raw, inflammatory message that dominates religious and political life in Saudi Arabia? Or do they replicate the same outlook?
Now, thanks to excellent research by Freedom House (a New York-headquartered organization founded in 1941 that calls itself "a clear voice for democracy and freedom around the world"), we finally have specifics on the Saudi project. A just-published study, "Saudi Publications on Hate Ideology Fill American Mosques," provides a wealth of detail on the subject.
(Two points about it bear noting: This important study was written anonymously, for security reasons, and it was issued by a think tank, and not by university-based researchers. Once again, an off-campus organization does the most creative and timely work, and Middle East specialists find themselves sidelined.)
The picture of Saudi activities in the United States is not a pretty one.
Freedom House's Muslim volunteers went to 15 prominent mosques from New York to San Diego and collected more than 200 books and other publications disseminated by Saudi Arabia (some 90% in Arabic) in mosque libraries, publication racks, and bookstores.
What they found can only be described as horrifying. These writings - each and every one of them sponsored by the kingdom - espouse an anti-Christian, anti-Semitic, misogynist, jihadist, and supremacist outlook. For example, they:
Reject Christianity as a valid faith: Any Muslim who believes "that churches are houses of God and that God is worshiped therein is an infidel."
Insist that Islamic law be applied: On a range of issues, from women (who must be veiled) to apostates from Islam ("should be killed"), the Saudi publications insist on full enforcement of Shariah in America.
See non-Muslims as the enemy: "Be dissociated from the infidels, hate them for their religion, leave them, never rely on them for support, do not admire them, and always oppose them in every way according to Islamic law."
See America as hostile territory: "It is forbidden for a Muslim to become a citizen of a country governed by infidels because this is a means of acquiescing to their infidelity and accepting all their erroneous ways."
Prepare for war against America: "To be true Muslims, we must prepare and be ready for jihad in Allah's way. It is the duty of the citizen and the government."
The report's authors correctly find that the publications under review "pose a grave threat to non-Muslims and to the Muslim community itself." The materials instill a doctrine of religious hatred inimical to American culture and serve to produce new recruits to the enemy forces in the war on terrorism.
To provide just one example of the latter: Adam Yahiye Gadahn, thought to be the masked person in a 2004 videotape threatening that American streets would "run with blood," became a jihadi in the course of spending time at the Islamic Society of Orange County, a Saudi-funded institution.
Freedom House urges that the American government "not delay" a protest at the highest levels to the Saudi government about its venomous publications lining the shelves of some of America's most important mosques. That's unobjectionable, but it strikes this observer of Saudi-American relations as inadequate. The protest will be accepted, then filed away.
Instead, the insidious Saudi assault on America must be made central to the (misnamed) war on terror. The Bush administration needs to confront the domestic menace that the Wahhabi kingdom presents to America. That means junking the fantasy of Saudi friendship and seeing the country, like China, as a formidable rival whose ambitions for a very different world order must be repulsed and contained.
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Another link to the same story..
Saudi Venom in U.S. Mosques
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Rdtf
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| Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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Ya know, I remembered a story from back in the summer and did a search - look what I found:
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/8/3/155525.shtml
| Quote: | Saudi School in Virginia Draws Criticism
NewsMax.com Wires
Tuesday, Aug. 3, 2004
ALEXANDRIA, Va. – A school that caters to children of Saudi diplomats is teaching first-graders that Judaism and Christianity are false religions, according to a Muslim group concerned that such teachings breed hatred.
Free Muslim Coalition Against Terrorism is calling on Islamic Saudi Academy to remove the textbook used to teach first-graders. The teachers' edition of the textbook outlines several points of emphasis, including the statement, "All religions other than Islam are false religions."
The coalition's director, Kamal Nawash, a Muslim, said it would be acceptable to teach that Islam is the only correct religion. But to explicitly tell first-graders that Jews and Christians practice a false religion could breed extremism, he said.
The school "must be sure to instruct students to have the utmost respect for other religions," Nawash said.
Nawash's criticism follows a report last month by a nonprofit group called Saudi Institute, also denouncing the school's curriculum. The institute advocates extensive reforms in Saudi Arabia.
Ibrahim Hooper, spokesman for Council on American Islamic Relations, said he did not believe it was a good idea to explicitly criticize other religions to young children.
"Followers of most major faiths believe they have the correct religious teachings, but an affirmative belief in the truth of one's own faith should not lead to the disparagement of all others," Hooper said.
Still, Hooper said, if only a small portion of a lesson plan needed to be changed, it "hardly justifies sweeping charges of extremism."
The school, which teaches more than 1,000 pupils at campuses in Alexandria and Fairfax, did not return calls seeking comment. The school's Web site says the academy "promotes respect and mutual understanding between Muslims and non-Muslims, Arabs and Americans while keeping within the Muslim faith."
Nail al-Jubeir, a spokesman for the Saudi Embassy in Washington, also did not return calls. He told The Washington Times that critics of the textbook "are making a big thing out of nothing." The Saudi government provides money to the school.
The school's teachings have come under scrutiny since the Sept. 11 attacks. Federal court documents in a case against an academy graduate indicate that pupils' discussions after the attacks took an anti-American bent, and some pupils considered the attacks "payback" for what they saw as American mistreatment of the Muslim world.
© 2004 Associated Press. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed. |
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Rdtf
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Admin note: Please do not post material in this forum that denigrates an entire religion no matter the source.
We're walking a fine line here ladies and gentlemen.
Let's be extremely judicious in what we post on this topic.
Thanks in advance for your cooperation.
Me#1You#10
sorry if that offended - it was not my words or opinon but and an actual news article from michnews.com
Anti-Christian Muslim Brings Pro-Islam Books to American Schools
MichNews.com ^ | 03 May 2004 | J. Grant Swank, Jr. |
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oasis
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| Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 12:18 pm Post subject: |
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Hello,
From my prior post..
| Quote: | If we take the threat on President Bush less serious and turn
our attention to torture then they would be successful in their plan.
-Oasis |
| Quote: | | Abu Ali's lawyers MacMahon and defense lawyer Ashraf Nubani had said they had seen the scars on his back. |
I never did get to see John Kerry's wounds. Some say they were self inflicted.
-Oasis
The truth is finally coming out.
| Quote: | Feb 24, 12:02 AM EST
U.S.: Suspect in Bush Plot Not Tortured
By MARK SHERMAN
Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON (AP) -- A Virginia man accused of plotting with al-Qaida to kill President Bush should be held indefinitely, federal prosecutors said Wednesday in court filings that also rejected his contention that he was tortured while held in Saudi Arabia.
At a court hearing a day earlier in Alexandria, Va., 23-year-old Ahmed Abu Ali offered to display scars on his back as proof that he was tortured by Saudi authorities.
In their filing Wednesday, prosecutors said, "There is no credible evidence to support those claims."
Abu Ali never complained about his treatment during several meetings with an American diplomat in Saudi Arabia, according to the filing. Moreover, an American doctor examined him Monday and found "no evidence of physical mistreatment on the defendant's back or any other part of his body."
Edward MacMahon, one of Abu Ali's lawyers, said Wednesday he had not seen the government's motion and declined to comment.
But on Tuesday, both MacMahon and defense lawyer Ashraf Nubani had said they had seen the scars on his back.
Nubani said they looked like whip marks.
Abu Ali would pose "an exceptionally grave danger to the community" if released before his trial, prosecutors said in Wednesday's filing in U.S. District Court in Alexandria. Abu Ali also would be unlikely to show up for his trial, they said.
Until now, the government has said little about the Abu Ali's arrest and detention in Saudi Arabia, where he was held for 20 months before being suddenly flown to America on Tuesday.
| Quote: | | His lawyers and family allege the Saudis held him at the U.S. government's request and tortured him with the knowledge of American officials. |
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Prior to Abu Ali's return, a lawsuit filed on his family's behalf in U.S. District Court in Washington sought information about his capture and treatment.
The government sought to have the case dismissed, but U.S. District Judge John Bates has declined, saying the family has presented circumstantial evidence to support their claims of torture.
VA Man Charged for Bush Assassination Plot
Abu Ali was born in Houston and moved to Falls Church, Va., a Washington suburb. He was valedictorian of the Islamic Saudi Academy in Alexandria, then went to Saudi Arabia to study. He was arrested there in June 2003 but never charged.
Bates has scheduled a hearing in the civil lawsuit on Thursday. A hearing on whether Abu Ali should remain in custody until his trial was pushed back to Tuesday, the Justice Department said.
The judge wrote in December that there was "at least some circumstantial evidence that Abu Ali has been tortured during interrogations with the knowledge of the United States."
In addition, Bates wrote that Abu Ali's family said a U.S. diplomat reported to them that Abu Ali said FBI agents who questioned him threatened to send him to the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
He noted at the time that the government had not attempted to rebut the family's claims. Since then, however, the Justice Department has filed a classified document seeking to justify its call for the civil case to be dismissed.
Morton Sklar, Abu Ali's lawyer in the civil case, said his client's return to the United States should not end the lawsuit. "Our main concern is that the United States government seems to have done a very effective job of diverting attention from its own responsibility for illegal conduct by focusing attention on the criminal charges," Sklar said.
A Justice Department spokesman said he would have no comment before the hearing in the civil case.
To make its criminal case against Abu Ali, the government might have to disclose details about his detention that it has sought to keep secret.
The government could try to use classified evidence, limiting defense lawyers' access to it, several civil rights and defense lawyers said. A similar issue has yet to be resolved in the case against Zacarias Moussaoui, the only U.S. defendant charged in an al-Qaida conspiracy that includes the Sept. 11 terror attacks.
Confessions and other evidence that result from coercive questioning or outright torture probably would not be allowed at trial. "If the information comes from mistreatment in Saudi Arabia, it would raise questions about whether there's enough evidence for the indictment to hold," said Priti Patel, an expert on detentions of terrorism suspects for Human Rights First.
In the indictment, the government alleges Abu Ali discussed assassinating Bush, conducting a terrorist attack in the United States and establishing an al-Qaida cell here.
It is unclear how much the indictment relies on Abu Ali's own words or those of several unidentified conspirators who the indictment says were known al-Qaida members. |
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Rdtf
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| Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,148627,00.html
Al Qaeda Link in Alleged Bush Plot Dead
Thursday, February 24, 2005
| Quote: | Also Wednesday, a lawmaker expressed concern that Abu Ali's alma mater could be turning out Islamic radicals. Sen. Charles Schumer (search), D-N.Y., questioned whether the academy from which the 23-year-old recently graduated was another example of schools funded by and linked to terrorism in the United States and abroad.
In the Justice Department filings, the government points out that the seriousness of the charges against Abu Ali "militates strongly in favor of detention," adding that the suspect is a flight risk because he faces more than 80 years in prison and has "substantial ties overseas."
In addition, the Justice Department said that Abu Ali lived in Jordan from 1993 to 1997 and that he has close family members residing there. The United States claims that Abu Ali "admitted that he possessed a Jordanian passport that he had kept secret from the United States government."
As for Abu Ali's claims of torture, the Justice Department "submits that there is no credible evidence to support those claims, and that they are untrue."
The government points out that an American doctor gave Abu Ali a "thorough" physical exam on Feb. 21, after he had been transferred by the Saudi government to U.S. custody.
"The doctor found no evidence of any physical mistreatment on the defendant's back or any other part of his body," the Justice Department says in the court filing. "Moreover, the doctor specifically asked the defendant if he had been abused or harmed in any way, and the defendant said no."
The Consul at the U.S. embassy in Riyadh also met with Abu Ali while he was detained in Saudi Arabia, and "on no occasion did the defendant complain of any physical or psychological mistreatment," the Justice Department said. |
| Quote: | Schumer Wants Saudi Academy Probed
Abu Ali had been detained for nearly two years by the Saudi Arabian government. His family sued the U.S. government shortly after his arrest there, claiming the Saudis were essentially holding him at the U.S. government's request.
He was returned to the United States and made an initial appearance in U.S. District Court shortly after his arrival Tuesday at Dulles International Airport. He did not enter a plea, but his lawyer said he would plead innocent.
His father, Omar Abu Ali, said Ahmed was born in Houston and raised in northern Virginia, just a few miles from the nation's capital. He attended the Islamic Saudi Academy and graduated as valedictorian.
The private school's teachings have come under scrutiny since the Sept. 11 attacks. Federal court documents in a case against another academy graduate suspected of terrorism indicate that student discussions following Sept. 11 took an anti-American bent and that some students considered the attacks legitimate "payback" for American mistreatment of the Muslim world.
Last year, the school also faced criticism for using textbooks that taught first-graders that Judaism and Christianity are false religions.
Schumer spoke to reporters Thursday, voicing the concern expressed in his letter to Bandar and the Justice Department about the school.
"The Saudis have through the years set up madrassas, usually in poor countries like Indonesia ... that teach Wahabi fundamentalism," Schumer said. "In part [those teachings include] that Muslims who are not fundamentalists ought to be scorned ... and they often teach that it's [the students'] purpose to die for Allah."
"It looks like this school appears to be Saudi funded," Schumer continued. "I want to find out if this school was one of those maddrassas ... [because I believe] if there were no madrassas, there would have been no 9/11."
FOX News' Julie Asher, Catherine Herridge, Anna Persky, Jared Goldman and The Associated Press contributed to this report. |
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