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oasis
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 Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 10:41 am Post subject: Is Iran a threat? |
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Hello,
Is Iran a threat? You judge.
Ayatollah Muhammad Amammi–Kashani:
Friday Sermon at Tehran University: Death to America
| Quote: | 10/15/2004 Clip No. 291
Friday Sermon at Tehran University: Death to America
The following are excerpts from a Friday sermon at Tehran University by Ayatollah Muhammad Amammi–Kashani:
Ayatollah Amammi–Kashani: Mr. America, we are glad that the world today doesn't interpret the terms democracy, freedom, and fighting terrorism according to what you say. We are glad about this.
Death to America
Death to America
Death to America
Death to America
Death to America
Death to America
Death to America
We are glad that when the world wants to interpret (these terms) it looks at your actions.
It looks at what you are doing and says that this democracy is a lie. Fighting terrorism is a lie.
Supporting the weak and unfortunate in Iraq, Afghanistan, and other places is a lie.
The lie has been exposed, yet you remain stubborn. You may remain stubborn, but the world is awakening.
The good thing is that you have discarded the mask, revealing your black face.
One should be glad about this. |
Iran's Nuclear Weapons Are Almost Here
| Quote: | Despite promises to halt nuclear weapons development, Iran's Islamic conservatives are moving ahead secretly, attempting to develop a working nuclear bomb as quickly as possible.
With what is now known of Pakistani weapons experts secretly selling nuclear weapons technology to countries like Iran, it's quite possible that Iran will have an atomic bomb within a year, if not a few months.
It is not known which atomic bomb designs Pakistan sold to Iran, but it was probably the more primitive ones.
That means Irans first nuclear weapons would be rather large and bulky.
This would not be suitable for use on a long range missile, but could be carried by an aircraft, or put in a shipping container.
Millions of these seagoing shipping containers enter the United States each year.
And Iranian Islamic conservatives still consider America the "Great Satan."
While much of the world's attention has been focused on Sunni Moslem terrorists, we forget that there is a separate group of Shia Moslem terrorists operating as well.
Because of the ancient hostility between Shia and Sunni (it's a theology and ethnic thing, as most Shia are Iranians, who are not Arabs, but an Indo-European people), the larger number of al Qaeda terrorists have grabbed all the headlines for the last three years.
There are still plenty of Shia terrorists out there, but most of them are in Lebanon, where most belong to the Hizbollah organization.
Hizbollah has been observing a truce of sorts along the Lebanese border with Israel.
However, time has caught up with most of the Shia firebrands of the late '70s and early '80s. The original ones, that are still alive, are middle aged and somewhat mellowed. Those in Iran have their hands full dealing with the majority of Iranians who no longer believe in the revolution.
In Lebanon, there is also local politics to deal with, mainly in the form of many Lebanese who no longer want to play host to Iranian terrorists.
But the Islamic conservative leadership in Iran, who still have veto power over the government, access to billions in cash, and control of the armed forces, still believe in exporting the (Shia) Islamic Revolution.
It's an export that no one wants, and the Sunni Moslems will actively resist. But there's always the "Great Satan." Sending a nuclear weapon to the United States, and setting it off there, would be suicidal (analysis of the debris would likely identify its origins) because of American nuclear retaliation.
Alas, there are still some really fanatical Shia clergy in the senior ranks of the Iranian government, who believe they are on a mission from God, and are willing to go to extremes to smite the enemies of Islam.
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bullitt
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 11:35 am Post subject: |
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I do not believe that Iran is a long term threat for several reasons.
The population mostly does not support the clerics. They support the elected president and supported the reformist parliment (which is now gone)
Starting in 1997 Iran started opening the doors ever so slightly to democracy but to the clerics horror and shock they found that the people by and large hated them. So since then they have been tightening the noose ever tighter against the reformists.
First they started putting students in jail after Tehran University erupted into riots against the hardliners. Then they started closing down newspapers and jailing journalists. Then they most recently moved against the parliment and prevented the reformers from running candidates. So what you have now is a hardline parliment who want to erase any gains made since 1997.
The people are very much against the clerics and the institutions they run. (Secret police, armed forces, religious police, judiciary and parliment) The Gov of Khatami has not been able to fight back against the hardliners as he has no real power anymore.
So with 50% of the population under 24 the question is how much longer will they stand for it? I think that the country is on a slow slide toward civil war, and the people there wont put up with the restrictions on their lives much longer. I give it a year or two before the country explodes... |
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BuffaloJack
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 11:48 am Post subject: |
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| Anyone who doesn't believe that any of these fundamentalist wacko islamic nut bars isn't dangerous and a threat to US safety is dillusional. |
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oasis
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 11:57 am Post subject: |
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Hello,
bullitt wrote..
| Quote: | | So with 50% of the population under 24 the question is how much longer will they stand for it? I think that the country is on a slow slide toward civil war, and the people there wont put up with the restrictions on their lives much longer. I give it a year or two before the country explodes... |
Here is what will happen if radical Islam gets it's roots in America.
Ten Commandments Are Out, Allah Is In
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October 19, 2004
Koorosh Afshar
The mullahs of the Islamic Republic have, at several times, shown their thirst for carnage in the past 25 years of ruling over Iran . They have a long history of plotting suicide attacks and waging wars internationally and silencing any opposing voice domestically. Having brutalized the Iranian nation all throughout these years, having kept most of the people under the poverty line, one shouldn't be astonished on how these "men of Allah" have had absolutely no problem finding recruits and sending poor souls after the so-called promised paradise through shedding the blood of other humans. If you are an Iranian, it wouldn't be very strange for you to have at least one dear and near lost at the bloody hands of these shopkeepers of religion. The infamousness of the Shiite clerics of Iran is not a new story to be told over again, as they are already known to the world as the "bad guys".
The reason for writing this article is, however, not retelling the same old story, but an untold one, I am sure you haven't heard yet.
Almost a month ago the Supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei's appointed judge in the province of "Mazandaran", in the South of the Caspian sea , sentenced "Atefeh Rajabi" a 16-year-old girl to death for committing adultery. The poor girl, deprived of even the very basic motherly love, was hanged in the public before the dismayed eyes of a people who have long forgotten that they were no more living than "Atefeh" was now. Just before she was hanged, "Atefeh" had willed everything she possessed to the poor girls like herself. A short time later, it was revealed that the Islamic judge and a few of his men had raped this little girl before hanging her.
The tragedy of "Atefeh" was still inflicting its heavy and painful burden on the Iranians' conscience that a report came out proclaiming that another girl, 13-year-old "Zheela", was sentenced to "stoning to death" by another Islamic judge in the city of "Marivan", Western Iran. This poor child is sentenced to death because she has been impregnated by her 15-year-old brother.
I am deeply astounded by the level of some of your politicians' credulity speaking of peace and a "better tomorrow" while they see that Islamic fundamentalism is literally marring the fresh minds of future parents of our world. Can't they see what is happening to "Zheela"? Couldn't they see what happened in "Beslan"? Can't they see us? Having been brought up in an "Islamiorated" society where seeing coffins and wild mobs in our streets was an everyday experience I don't really know how many years should pass before we will be able to gain our mental health back.
If the world cannot save little "Zheela" from these brutal Islamic militants, then how could your politicians speak of disarming them from their nuclear weapons?
Saving her is undoubtedly the right thing to do.
Let us not forget that "It may not always be easy, convenient, or politically correct to stand for truth and right, but it is the right thing to do - Always."
- Koorosh Afshar is a pseudonym for a university student in Tehran , his name has been changed for his protection.
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Barbie2004
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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John Kerry doesn't think Iran is a threat. 
Remember the first debate? Kerry stated something to the effect that "we should give the Iranians what they want and then see if we can trust them."
Hmmmmm, according to Kerry's foreign policy, it would take a mushroom cloud to convince him that Iran is very dangerous. . .
Let's also not forget who got us into the middle eastern problems of today. . .Jimmy Carter and his unseating of the Shah of Iran. . . and of course, it was Kerry's testimony that started the whole "Anti-Americanism" that is purportedly in the world. . .of which, Kerry is more that happy to continue as his statements has proven! 
Think the media would ever point this out about their darlings, even if it means giving nuclear weapons to our enemies?
MSM couldn't resist conditions that would create stories, even if it means a mushroom cloud!
But talk about swiftvets or Kerry's communist ties . . . NEVER! |
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bullitt
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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You guys are missing the point..Did you even bother to read my post?
Of course the Clerics are nuts, and of course they are dangerous. But...the overwhleming majority of the people there do not support them. Even one of the leading clerics from the Islamic revolution of 1979 and he is an Ayatollah has turned against the hardline clerics and he has been under house arrest now for about 5 years.
If they could remove the crazy clerics today, they would. The problem is the clerics contol all the strings. They control the arms, the police, the judiciary and intelligence services. The people who want change have the cards stacked against them. Speak out and you risk jail or a beating at the hands of the religious police (thugs who ride on motor-bikes with clubs) or worse.
The significance of a population of 50% under 24 is that they were all born AFTER the Islamic revolution of 1979. They grew up in its restrictive aftermath and are getting more and more sick of it. Members of the old parliment questioned the legitamacy of the regime for the 1st time before they were thrown into jail, put under house arrest or disappeared.
I have some contacts here with the student movement over there and its getting more dangerous for them all the time but they want freedom, they would love it if the clerics all died.
My opinion is that soon there will be a general uprising. I could be wrong of course. It depends on how far the clerics will go to keep power and how much the people will risk to get rid of them. A stable and democratic Iraq next door will be a good thing for those that want change in Iran. I am sure they will be able to help our the reformers. |
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BuffaloJack
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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We know that the majority of people in these islamic countries do not support the terror, but they are just sheep.
As long as the dip-wads in charge believe in anti-American doctrine and have the money and means to be a threat then they will be that threat.
As long as they are a threat we have to take them seriously and deal with them as such. If only one persent of the population is representative of the wacko fringe but they are the ones who have their fingers on the button then the whole country must be dealt with. |
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oasis
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| Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 6:33 am Post subject: |
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Hello,
You Will Never Walk Alone
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Hajara Ibrahim, 18, who is seven months pregnant and has been sentenced to death by stoning for adultery, sheds tears as she speaks to journalists in Sidai, Nigeria, Oct. 25, 2004. Her appeal hearing comes up on Wednesday at a Sharia higher court.
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| Quote: | | Both riches and honour come of thee, and thou reignest over all; and in thine hand is power and might; and in thine hand it is to make great, and to give strength unto all. (1 Chronicles 29:12) |
YOU'LL NEVER WALK ALONE
When you walk through a storm
hold your head up high
And don't be afraid of the dark.
At the end of a storm is a golden sky
And the sweet silver song of a lark.
Walk on through the wind,
Walk on through the rain,
Tho' your dreams be tossed and blown.
Walk on, walk on with hope in your heart
And you'll never walk alone,
You'll never, ever walk alone.
Walk on, walk on with hope in your heart
And you'll never walk alone,
You'll never, ever walk alone.
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Nathanyl
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| Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 6:41 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | My opinion is that soon there will be a general uprising. I could be wrong of course. It depends on how far the clerics will go to keep power and how much the people will risk to get rid of them. A stable and democratic Iraq next door will be a good thing for those that want change in Iran. I am sure they will be able to help our the reformers. |
I agree that a lot of them want freedom and it's possible that with enough support they could overthrow the government there. The problem is their situation reminds me a lot of China. The students there wanted freedom too but were never able to get orgainized enough to do it. I'm not certain that it will be any different in Iran and until there's a regime change I'd have to say that they're a short and long term threat.
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| Something that has to be said here about Irans nuke program is that as soon as the election is over Israel is going to put a few bunker busting smart bombs into Irans certifuges and the nuke plant. Israel will never allow any of those radical islamic coountries to have nukes. They will do it just like they did to Iraq. |
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oasis
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| Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2004 5:03 am Post subject: |
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Hello,
I take what is said about LA seriously.
Egyptian Labor Party Leader: We Should Bomb LA; Killing Hostages is Permitted
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Egyptian Labor Party Leader: We Should Bomb LA; Killing Hostages is Permitted
The following are excerpts from an interview with Egyptian Labor Party head Magdi Ahmad Hussein:
Magdi Ahamd Hussein: The violence is currently directed at the occupation. This is legitimate violence. This is Jihad against occupiers. Ninety-nine percent of the violent operations target the foreign occupation of the Arab and Islamic nation. Therefore, they are not included in the conflict with the [Arab] rulers. From the strategic perspective, the vast majority of operations are proper. As for Taba, as I've said, the entire Egyptian nation demands that tourists be banned from entering Egypt. It is inconceivable that Egypt has become a resort for the Israeli army. The Israeli army kills in Palestine in the morning and then comes to relax and gamble in Taba. Abominations that are forbidden in Israel, such as gambling, are allowed in Egypt. But the main issue is that Egypt has become a resort for the Zionist army.
As for the hostages you spoke of, they are not hostages, sir, but prisoners. According to Islamic law, hostages can be redeemed, set free, or killed. When you are weak - you kill. The prisoners in Iraq, sir – 99% of the cases are proper, according to Islamic law. All those who were killed were agents and partners of the occupation. Seventy-five percent of the hostages were released in exchange for political gains. So how come some voices in the Islamic movement and official clerics tell us that killing prisoners is un-Islamic? No, both the Koran and the Prophet's biography permit the killing of prisoners. This exists in our Islamic law and in the laws of all nations.
Second, the war effort is not restricted to those who actually carry weapons. The war effort includes transporting supplies. Aren't supply lines part of military activity? The Haliburton Company and its efforts to steal the Iraqi oil – aren't they part of the war effort, whose goal is to steal Iraq's resources? The war effort isn't simply carrying weapons. An Iraqi interpreter working for an American soldier – isn't this part of the war effort? Undoubtedly, all those killed, as far as we know, were non-civilians.
We are witnessing a stroke of genius. Because they are weak and cannot defeat the occupation right away, they have used this weapon of prisoners - not "hostages." The Italian women were released and we demand the release of the French journalists. No one demands they be killed. But as for those who work for American companies and those who came to exploit Iraqi resources, they are part of the American plan and aren't innocent civilians.
Fifty years ago, even before the American army arrived in Iraq, Sheik Shaltout said, "Anyone working in the enemies' military camps and factories is one of them. He's an enemy and he may be killed." This is what Sheik Shaltout, the great imam and Sheik of Al-Azhar in the mid-20th century, said. Whoever allies himself with the infidels and polytheists becomes one of them.
The American casualties reach 47,000 dead and wounded, according to the American Veterans Association. 20% of the American forces were hurt, but the media only reports the Iraqi and Arab casualties. I've seen a film of the so-called "Monotheism and the Jihad," which is believed to be the organization of Abu Mus'ab Al-Zarqawi. In the film, I saw that they neutralized a bomb because an Iraqi woman passed by the tank. Out of concern for one Iraqi woman's life they neutralized a bomb and this appears in a film on the Internet and anyone can watch it. I'm not claiming that there are no mistakes. There are different opinions among the Iraqi resistance. But if you want to have an opinion, you should be with them, not us, sitting in air-conditioned rooms and telling them to do this that. The mujahid should be there, and the cleric should be there, like Ibn Taymiyya, who set out with the mujahideen to the front lines. But we want to issue fatwas telling them not to do this or that, not to attack so and so. It's like us telling Hamas: "don’t attack buses lest an Israeli child be killed." Do you have another means?
When the Americans bomb [in Iraq] they say they are looking for Abu Mus'ab and the casualties were killed by accident. The Americans have the right to kill civilians accidentally, while the Qassam rockets and the [suicide] martyrs should target only adults, men and women working in the Israeli army, and should tell the children to get off the bus. We are the weak ones. They make demands on us that don't exist in international law.
There must be reciprocity. If your city is being bombed… Those who bomb Falluja cannot prevent me from bombing Los Angeles.Why Falluja? Why do we always feel inferior to them? What is the meaning of this inferiority complex? If we had missiles we should have bombed Los Angeles or any other city until they stopped bombing Falluja, Samarra, and Ramadi.
Sir, Why do the government clerics ignore the killing of the prisoners during the time of the Prophet? Six hundred to 700 prisoners were killed in the raid on the Qurayza tribe. Why do they conceal this? Why do they hide the fact that the Prophet gave the order to assassinate some poets – To assassinate! Not in military operations, but rather by individual assassination. Why did he order the assassination of K'ab Ibn Ashraf, the Jew, leader of Khaybar? And then he ordered the assassination of the leader who successive him. As a result, the Jews became fearful and terrified. |
I believe they will try to carry out an attack on LA and other American targets.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2004 5:16 am Post subject: |
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I believe Iran is a threat to America and Israel. I believe Syria is a threat to America and Israel. All Islamic radicals and Jihadists are a threat to the world as a whole.
Anyone who does not believe that is not facing reality. |
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| Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2004 6:24 am Post subject: |
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I think one more attack on our homeland and GWB may finally loose the reins of our armies and grant the terrorists wish to meet allah with delivery via a mushroom cloud. We are fighting now in a manner to limit civilian casualties but we can play nasty too. And maybe we should carpet bomb Falluja just for spite. The flyfly boys need the practice anyway right?
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| Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2004 6:31 am Post subject: |
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This thread has presented some extremely troublesome pictures to my mind. I know for a fact that there is a fairly substantial anti clerical movement in Iran at this time but that it is being largely ignored by the west, for what reasons I can only guess. The hardliners are dillusional in their worldview to be sure, but that does not mean that they are totally insane. I feel that an adequate demonstration of western resolve in dealing with these hardliners would be to our advantage. Iran cannot exist in a vaccuum and the clerics know it. They deepend on the liberal media to weaken our resolve by spreading doubt and dissention in the ranks of out allies and amongst us here at home.
I fully believe that a preemptive nuclear strike against the Iranian military would more than demonstrate the fallacy of the hardliners positions. This is what they all fear more than anything else. It would take prehaps no more than one or two bombs of low yield to make the point convincingly enough to bring them to the table. If we were to target their nuclear facilities primarily and then consider electrical generating facilities as a secondary target, I believe that we could paralize their military not only physically but as well psychologically. They all want to brag about something of which they know absolutely nothing. They have absolutely no concept of how a nuclear bomb would effect them in the short run or what its long term impact would be on the political scene. Prehaps the same could be said of us, but I feel confident that we are in a far better position to deal with what ever eventualities fall out of such a scenario.
We absolutely cannot allow the Iranians to ever develope a first strike capability under any conditions.
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tony54
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| Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2004 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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Iran wants to be a threat, but look at what GW and our great military planners accomplished in less than four years:
Iran has US ally Pakistan to the east, it also has Afghanistan with thousands of US troops to the North-east, Iraq with 150+ thousand US troops to the West, Turkey with a large US military presence to the North-West, Russian controlled provinces to the North, And hundreds of US Navy warships to the South, including aircraft carriers, and Trident sumarines. By conquering Iraq, GW has literally put Iran in a checkmate!
2 birds with one stone. And GW said we will not allow Iran to make nukes, and he's a man that keeps his word.
HELLO SYRIA!!!
GW is a genius.
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