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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 1:24 am    Post subject: Election will be monitored Reply with quote

If this don't beat all!!!
International team to monitor presidential election
Observers will be part of OSCE's human rights office
From David de Sola
CNN



WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A team of international observers will monitor the presidential election in November, according to the U.S. State Department.

The Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe was invited to monitor the election by the State Department. The observers will come from the OSCE's Office for Democratic Institutions and Human Rights.

It will be the first time such a team has been present for a U.S. presidential election.

"The U.S. is obliged to invite us, as all OSCE countries should," spokeswoman Urdur Gunnarsdottir said. "It's not legally binding, but it's a political commitment. They signed a document 10 years ago to ask OSCE to observe elections."

Thirteen Democratic members of the House of Representatives, raising the specter of possible civil rights violations that they said took place in Florida and elsewhere in the 2000 election, wrote to U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan in July, asking him to send observers.

After Annan rejected their request, saying the administration must make the application, the Democrats asked Secretary of State Colin Powell to do so.

The issue was hotly debated in the House, and Republicans got an amendment to a foreign aid bill that barred federal funds from being used for the United Nations to monitor U.S. elections, The Associated Press reported.

In a letter dated July 30 and released last week, Assistant Secretary of State Paul Kelly told the Democrats about the invitation to OSCE, without mentioning the U.N. issue.

"I am pleased that Secretary Powell is as committed as I am to a fair and democratic process," said Democratic Rep. Eddie Bernice Johnson of Texas, who spearheaded the effort to get U.N. observers.

"The presence of monitors will assure Americans that America cares about their votes and it cares about its standing in the world," she said in a news release.

Democratic Rep. Barbara Lee of California agreed.

"This represents a step in the right direction toward ensuring that this year's elections are fair and transparent," she said.

"I am pleased that the State Department responded by acting on this need for international monitors. We sincerely hope that the presence of the monitors will make certain that every person's voice is heard, every person's vote is counted."

OSCE, the world's largest regional security organization, will send a preliminary mission to Washington in September to assess the size, scope, logistics and cost of the mission, Gunnarsdottir said.

The organization, which counts among its missions conflict prevention and postconflict rehabilitation, will then determine how many observers are required and where in the United States they will be sent.

"OSCE-participating [nations] agreed in 1990 to observe elections in one another's countries. The OSCE routinely monitors elections within its 55-state membership, including Europe, Eurasia, Canada and the United States," a State Department spokesman said.

The spokesman said the United States does not have any details on the size and composition of the observers or what countries will provide them.

OSCE, based in Vienna, Austria, has sent more than 10,000 personnel to monitor more than 150 elections and referenda in more than 30 countries during the past decade, Gunnarsdottir said.

In November 2002, OSCE sent 10 observers on a weeklong mission to monitor the U.S. midterm elections. OSCE also sent observers to monitor the California gubernatorial recall election last year.

More recently, OSCE monitored the elections in Northern Ireland in November and in Spain in March.



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 1:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know why the media persists in treating this case of international observers as they would the international monitoring of the elections as called for by the dishonorable Corrine Brown.

It's part of a routine observation in which we participate with 54 (53?) other countries and they are here to see how OUR process works so they can evaluate their own processes, compare them with ours and see if they want to adopt any of ours to make theirs go better. We've also sent representatives to a boatload of other countries to watch their procedures in action.

It's nothing like the UN monitoring of our elections that some of the members of Congress asked for last month - why is the press treating it as if it is?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 1:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They are observing , not monitoring. Big difference.

I suspect the 13 dems that requested monitoring already knew of the agreement since it is 10 years old.

Another political ploy. Wonder how many news organizations will fall for it or try to make it into some kind of big deal? Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 1:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for that info. I assumed it was international folks coming to monitor our elections to make sure we were being honest about it, because of the Florida mess last time and because demons have been insisting on it. A perfect example of how we can be mislead;/
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 1:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The headline does say monitor.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 1:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.johnkerry.com/communities/lawyers/
From Kerry's web site
On Election Day in your cities, my campaign will provide teams of election observers and lawyers to monitor elections and enforce the law.”

Lawyers for Kerry-Edwards is working with the DNC’s Voting Rights Institute (VRI) to organize thousands of attorneys across the country to be in every polling place on Election Day and to educate voters locally about their ballot, their voting machine and the voting process.

aint that special
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 1:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hanna wrote:
The headline does say monitor.


Yes, but the article calls them observers. Monitors implies authority, observer doesn't. Some more of that twisted media work? Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 1:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please note also, this was due to an agreement signed back in 1990, not due to any Democrats letters to the UN. By obscuring the words, monitor and observe, the article tries to make it appear as if Bush flip flopped, when it reality, Kofi Annan flatly rejected the letter by the Democrats some weeks ago.

This was originally run on Worldnet News Daily with the other reputable news sources and the mainstream media not running it yesterday. OSCE is not the UN.

As for Kerry's campaign "supplying observers," haven't both parties had observers at voting places for decades? I also wonder where the "observers" were in 2000 when Gore was blocking thousands of military absentee ballots while calling for "every vote to be counted."
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 2:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also please note, OSCE supplied observers for the 2002 midterm elections. This is simply the first time there's been an option for them to observe a Presidential election.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 4:40 am    Post subject: Elections Reply with quote

If in fact Eddie Benice Johnson and Barbra Lee have asked the UN to observe, monitor or watch our elections we need to pounce on this immediately. This is as troublesome as Kerry reporting for duty. We cannot and must not allow the UN to be involved in our electoral process. This nation was founded with checks and balances and if some wacko Senator or Represenative thinks the UN has a place in our elections we better write them and ask them if they live where we live. Kerry has stated he is an internationalist ( at least I heard he said that) and if he is we had better keep a very close eye on him if he manages to get elected.

Please keep this thread going and post any other news on this disturbing situation. We need to do an e-mail campaign against Johnson and Lee and let them know that America does not need the UN to monitor, watch, observe or validate our elections.

I cannot believe the thought process of some of our leaders. Maybe they would consent to the UN monitoring their activities on a 24/7 basis. God knows us peons can't keep up with their demented brain waves.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 6:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

recon, they did in fact write and submit the letter to the UN;

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The congressmen who want
U.N. observers in U.S. vote
9 representatives appeal to Kofi Annan for intervention in presidential election

Posted: July 7, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com

WASHINGTON – The United Nations has turned down a controversial request by nine members of the U.S. Congress to assign international observers to the U.S. presidential election in November.

The request came in the form of a letter drafted by Rep. Eddie Bernice Johnson, D-Texas, and signed by eight other members of the House.
"We are deeply concerned that the right of U.S. citizens to vote in free and fair elections is again in jeopardy," the lawmakers wrote to U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan.

Besides Johnson, the other representatives signing the letter to Annan – all Democrats – were Julia Carson of Indiana; Jerrold Nadler, Edolphus Towns, Joseph Crowley and Carolyn B. Maloney, all of New York; Raul Grijalva of Arizona, Corrine Brown of Florida, Elijah E. Cummings of Maryland, Danny K. Davis of Illinois and Michael M. Honda of California.
Johnson was an early supporter of Sen. John Edwards' campaign for the presidency. Yesterday Edwards was selected as John Kerry's Democratic Party running mate.

"Generally, the United Nations does not intervene in electoral affairs unless the request comes from a national government or an electoral authority – not the legislative branch," said U.N. spokeswoman Marie Okabe.

Nevertheless, the proposal by Johnson and the other members of the House has raised the hackles of Republicans and others who saw irony in the timing of the announcement – just before America's Independence Day celebrations.

"Let me get this straight," wrote Joe Mariani in GOPUSA.com. "A group of Democrats want to bring some people from countries like North Korea, Iran, Syria, China and Cuba – people that have never seen a democratic election in their lifetimes – to sit in judgment on our elections? What kind of voodoo politics is that? The last time a foreign body had any direct influence over the political process of this country, the situation was corrected by a war for our freedom from British rule. Are these so-called Americans so willing to surrender that hard-won right of self-determination now, and to such a shamelessly scandal-ridden group of anti-American dictatorships and terrorist sympathizers? We may as well dissolve the Union now and save ourselves the pain of watching it done for us."

The Democrats said they feared a repeat of the 2000 election, which was won by George W. Bush, a Republican, through the Electoral College count even though he lost the popular vote.

The Democrats had asked in the letter for "international election monitors" to watch for "questionable practices and voter disenfranchisement on Election Day."

The Democratic Congress members wrote that they did not think sufficient reforms had been implemented to prevent another voting debacle.

"As the next Election Day approaches, there is more cause for alarm rather than less," the letter said.

Because the U.N. Charter bars violations of sovereignty, the State Department, or perhaps the Federal Election Commission, would have to invite observers, said U.N. officials. Monitoring would also have to be approved by the Security Council or the General Assembly.

Since the rule of thumb for vote monitoring is one observer for each 100 polling sites, about 2,000 foreigners would have to be deployed from Key West to Anchorage.

Johnson's letter points to "widespread allegations of voter disenfranchisement" in Florida and other states in 2000, and it cites an April report from the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights that found potential for "significant problems" this time around.

"As lawmakers, we must assure the people of America that our nation will not experience the nightmare of the 2000 presidential election," Johnson wrote. "This is the first step in making sure that history does not repeat itself," she added.

The Nov. 7, 2000, election was decided 36 days later when the U.S. Supreme Court made two rulings that stopped Democratic challenger Al Gore's attempt to recount some of the Florida votes. A number of independent investigations confirmed President Bush won the state's 25 electoral votes, giving him a total of 271 to Gore's 267.

Tom Kilgannon, president of Freedom Alliance, a group dedicated to protecting American sovereignty, admonished Johnson and her colleagues.

"Your appeal to the secretary general is alarming and embarrassing," he said. "As a Member of Congress sworn to uphold the Constitution and represent the people of the United States, it is disturbing, to say the least, that you would entrust the most sacred act of American democracy – our presidential election – to an international institution, which is unaccountable to the American people and mired by scandal and corruption."

Kilgannon said the request "undermines U.S. sovereignty, demoralizes American servicemen who are fighting to build democratic governments abroad and sends the message worldwide that the United States is nothing more than a Third World nation unable to police itself."

Stories about the action by the members of Congress appeared all over the world – from Tehran to Uraguay and to China.

Read Joseph Farah's commentary, "Treason in Congress," in today's edition of WorldNetDaily.


http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=39318

The follwoing was sent as a retort to them from the Freedom Alliance;

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Letter from Thomas P. Kilgannon to Congresswoman Eddie Bernice Johnson (D Tx)
by Thomas Kilgannon
July 2, 2004

The Honorable Eddie Bernice Johnson
1511 Longworth House Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20515

Dear Congresswoman Johnson:

I read with great disappointment this morning an Associated Press story concerning your request that United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Annan dispatch UN election observers to the United States to monitor the 2004 presidential election on November 2nd.

Your appeal to the Secretary-General is alarming and embarrassing. As a Member of Congress sworn to uphold the Constitution and represent the people of the United States, it is disturbing, to say the least, that you would entrust the most sacred act of American democracy - our Presidential election - to an international institution which is unaccountable to the American people and mired by scandal and corruption.

The United Nations, which counts among its members state sponsors of terrorism, human rights abusers, dictatorships, and repressive monarchies, is simply unfit and unqualified to comment in any way on the manner in which this great Republic chooses its commander-in-chief.

I would think that as a Member of Congress you would have faith in the American government. Your request, which comes on the eve of our nation's 228th birthday, undermines U.S. sovereignty, demoralizes American servicemen who are fighting to build democratic governments abroad, and sends the message worldwide that the United States is nothing more than a Third World nation unable to police itself. Frankly, it is unbecoming a Member of the United States House of Representatives.

On behalf of the supporters of Freedom Alliance across this country, I urge you to reconsider your request to the Secretary-General and have more faith in your fellow countrymen.

Respectfully,
Thomas P. Kilgannon
President

cc:

The Honorable Joseph Crowley (D NY-07)
The Honorable Raul Grijalva (D AZ-07)
The Honorable Danny Davis (D IL-07)
The Honorable Corrine Brown (D FL-03)
The Honorable Carolyn Maloney (D NY-14)
The Honorable Jerrold Nadler (D NY-0Cool
The Honorable Michael Honda (D CA-15)
The Honorable Elijah Cummings (D MD-07)
The Honorable Julia Carson (D IN-07)
The Honorable Edolphus Towns (D NY10)

Thomas P. Kilgannon serves as the president of Freedom Alliance.


http://freedomalliance.org/view_article.php?a_id=385
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 8:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

These people observing our election is a good thing, i know for a fact that the liberals that HATE George bush so badly will try to do something to screw the election up and get kerry elected.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 12:42 pm    Post subject: Elections Reply with quote

Thank you for the article and information. Does anyone out there want to help in a letter campaign to these Democrats who think the UN has more integrity than the American Constituion. They cannot even run a oil for food program and to think our very own Democratic so call leaders would put our sovereignty aside really disturbs me. The American people including myself had better get involved in this nation or one day we'll wake up to find the Union dissolved and UN troops passing out meal tickets to those who kiss some dictators or terrorist butt.

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