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PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2004 9:58 pm    Post subject: MemoGate and the anti-American methods of the democrats Reply with quote

Are the SwiftVets aware of MemoGate?

This is a reminder of how the democrats have become lackeys to the leftist fringe groups, to the point of gladly obstructing federal litigation and blatantly illegal conflict of interest.

Oh, the communist cyber hooligans who stalk this board will say that "the republicans stole these democratic memos." They won't address what the memos say, sort of like excusing Auschwitz because a release of pictures of it by the Allies weren't approved by the German High Command.

I will find the .pdfs of the "stolen" Kennedy memos online and will post the URL.

If Kerry wins, this corrupt style of legislation will become the SOP for the country. Do you want your commander-in-chief to use these methods?

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Memogate Scandal Deepens
Notra Trulock
Monday, May. 03, 2004

In March, we reported about a deepening scandal on Capitol Hill involving memos written by aides to Senators Ted Kennedy and Dick Durbin. The memos and hundreds of other records documented Senate Democrats' strategies for blocking President Bush's judicial nominations. As we reported last month, the memos are particularly revealing about the deference shown by both Kennedy and Durbin to left-wing advocacy groups, like the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund.
Conservatives, like former Senate Judiciary Committee staffer Manuel Miranda, allege that the memos show a clear pattern of corruption and unethical behavior in actions by some Senate Democrats on the Judiciary Committee. For example, he charged that votes against pro-life judicial nominees were fueled more by funding from abortion clinics and trial lawyers than political principles.

New evidence that supports these allegations has now emerged from an investigation conducted by the Center for Individual Freedom. The Center learned that one memo recommending that Senator Kennedy vote to hold up a nomination to the 6th Court of Appeals was authored by a Kennedy staffer with close ties to one of the parties in a case pending before the appeals court. The case involved a challenge to affirmative-action policies of the University of Michigan law school.

The memo recommended that Senate Democrats stall the confirmation of Julia Smith Gibbons to the appeals court until after a ruling had been issued on the affirmative action case. The memo's author wrote: "The thinking is that the current 6th Circuit will sustain the affirmative action program, but if a new judge with conservative views is confirmed before the case is decided, that new judge will be able, under 6th Circuit rules, to review the case and vote on it."

The Center has learned that the author of the memo, Olati Johnson, was assistant counsel at the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund before joining Kennedy's staff in September 2001. The memo indicates that Johnson was acting in response to a request from Elaine Jones, her former co-counsel at the NAACP. That organization was a party to the University of Michigan case.

The Center issued a statement charging that the memo "raises significant new ethics questions" for Senator Kennedy. CNS News' Robert Bluey reported that Kennedy became flustered when confronted with these questions at a recent press conference. He reported that Kennedy's staff "quickly escorted" him from the press conference when he was asked about the memos.

The Center for Individual Freedom has called for a Senate Ethics investigation of Kennedy and his staff. But Senate Democrats and their friends in the media have transformed this story into a leak investigation. They pressed for and got an internal investigation by the Senate Sergeant-at-Arms. That report was delivered last month, but media attention to the story has faded out. One striking aspect of the report is the extent to which government systems were utilized for partisan political purposes. That's a scandal too, but don't expect the liberal media to report on that.

Notra Trulock is Associate Editor of the AIM Report and can be reached at editor@aim.org.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/5/3/121119.shtml
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PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2004 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love this guy. He is the poister boy for the fringe of your party. His imbicilic scenerio, still waiting for answers, and all of his other posts do more to harm your cause than the left ever could. It's OK with him if people break the law as long as it is against the left. His rhetoric is straight out of a comic book. And his pure hatred of the left makes the rest of you look bad. And it's pretty hard to make some of you look bad, but he is accomplishing just that.
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PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2004 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mikest wrote:
I love this guy. He is the poister boy for the fringe of your party. His imbicilic scenerio, still waiting for answers, and all of his other posts do more to harm your cause than the left ever could. It's OK with him if people break the law as long as it is against the left. His rhetoric is straight out of a comic book. And his pure hatred of the left makes the rest of you look bad. And it's pretty hard to make some of you look bad, but he is accomplishing just that.


The above quote is the most pitiful example of attempted reverse psychology or psyops that I've seen in a long while.

As far as "it's OK with him if people break the law as long as it is against the left", I don't think the taking of the files amounted to breaking the law. However, my opinion on that matter is not relevant. There is another far more critical issue that involves the entire nation: the content of the memos.

You did not respond to the content of even one of the documents in dispute, showing the democrats commiting a knowing manipulation of judicial appointees, to deliberately interfere with an active court case (Michigan Law School affirmative action case), among other impeachable (if not blatantly criminal) actions.

In Iraq, when soldiers find the WMD known as Sarin in a shell, they don't ignore it because some people did not believe they had the right to inspect the shell (i.e., be in Iraq).

Why do the democrats not respond to the content of these memos? Because they were 'stolen' -- in their opinion?

People in the military: is this the way you would like your Commander-in-Chief to run his affairs?

An actual .pdf of a few of the memos is at http://fairjudiciary.com/cfj_contents/press/judges.pdf - scroll down past the document's intro material.

The memo on the Julia Scott Gibbons judicial appointment ("Call from Elaine Jones re scheduling of 6th circuit nominees") is particularly damning. This was done in an attempt to influence the outcome of the University of Michigan Law School anti-affirmative action lawsuit. Subversion of the legal process doesn't get any clearer than this.

Other examples of content ( from http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110004305 ):


November 6, 2001/To: Senator Dick Durbin
"You are scheduled to meet with leaders of several civil rights organizations to discuss their serious concerns with the judicial nomination process. The leaders will likely include: Ralph Neas (People For the American Way), Kate Michelman (NARAL), Nan Aron (Alliance for Justice), Wade Henderson (Leadership Conference on Civil Rights), Leslie Proll (NAACP Legal Defense & Education Fund), Nancy Zirkin (American Association of University Women), Marcia Greenberger (National Women's Law Center), and Judy Lichtman (National Partnership). . . .

". . . The primary focus will be on identifying the most controversial and/or vulnerable judicial nominees. The groups would like to postpone action on these nominees until next year, when (presumably) the public will be more tolerant of partisan dissent."

November 7, 2001/To: Senator Durbin
"The groups singled out three--Jeffrey Sutton (6th Circuit); Priscilla Owen (5th Circuit); and Caroline [sic] Kuhl (9th Circuit)--as a potential nominee for a contentious hearing early next year, with a [sic] eye to voting him or her down in Committee. They also identified Miguel Estrada (D.C. Circuit) as especially dangerous, because he has a minimal paper trail, he is Latino, and the White House seems to be grooming him for a Supreme Court appointment. They want to hold Estrada off as long as possible."


February 28, 2002/To: SENATOR [Kennedy]
"Ralph Neas called to let us know that he had lunch with Andy Stern of SEIU. Andy wants to be helpful as we move forward on judges, and he has great contacts with Latino media outlets . . ."

April 17, 2002/To: SENATOR [Kennedy]
"Elaine Jones of the NAACP Legal Defense Fund tried to call you today. . . . Elaine would like the Committee to hold off on any 6th Circuit nominees until the University of Michigan case regarding the constitutionality of affirmative action in higher education is decided by the en banc 6th Circuit. . . . The thinking is that the current 6th Circuit will sustain the affirmative action program, but if a new judge with conservative views is confirmed before the case is decided, that new judge will be able, under 6th Circuit rules, to review the case and vote on it."

June 12, 2002/To: SENATOR (Kennedy)
"...Ultimately, if [Chairman Pat] Leahy insists on having an August hearing, it appears that the groups are willing to let [Timothy] Tymkovich [10th Circuit] go through (the core of the coalition made that decision last night, but they are checking with the gay rights groups)."


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PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2004 11:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

unabashed comprehensive retraction

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PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2004 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The above quote is a most pitiful example of attempted reverse psychology or psyops that I've seen in a long while.


Oh my god, thank you for the best laugh I have had all week. I was wondering why there was no tin foil at my local store.

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I don't think the taking of the files amounted to breaking the law


Using an administrative password to access the files is theft. The Seargant at arms has referred the case to the justice dept. We will see how they react, although it's far from clear that Ashcroft will persue it. He tried to avoid the Plame case until it became clear there was no way around it.

Many of the memos were people playing different scenerios in there heads. Something tells me you would be in serious trouble if someone accessed your computer. Congress blocked far more judges by Clinton using methods like anon holds, a method that mirraculously disapeared when the GOP took power. But again things like that would never bother someone like you. I'm sure a one party system or even better a dictatorship would suit you fine if it was a GOP run one.

What's your name over at Free Republic?
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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2004 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mikest wrote:


Using an administrative password to access the files is theft. The Seargant at arms has referred the case to the justice dept. We will see how they react, although it's far from clear that Ashcroft will persue it. He tried to avoid the Plame case until it became clear there was no way around it......


Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

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Many of the memos were people playing different scenerios in there heads.


I am not going to even bother responding to the above quote, as no response is necessary.


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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2004 12:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Everybody, please download and read http://fairjudiciary.com/cfj_contents/press/judges.pdf . Pass it along to your military buddies.
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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2004 12:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hist/student wrote:
Ah fortdixlover, thanks for another excellent post.


I love that you are knighted as being from the 'fringes' of the party.

In my travells I interact with all manner of the nations demographics, farmers, amish, preachers, artests, academics and the very wealthy. Appairently there is a lot of room on that fringe you're at.

Cause the majority of the nation is on the edge with you.... Bipartison.

When you talk with any Vietnamn vet Oh my god.... are they all on the fringe, jesus gonzalas


Yep. The majority ofthe nation believes the following.

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Posted: Mon May 17, 2004 6:07 am Post subject: Kerry Wins; Queda attacks; Martial Law declared

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My worst fear:

Kerry wins. Then Al Queda nukes NY, as they said they'd like to. Kerry declares Martial Law.

This would give the Left the perfect opportunity to fulfill its agenda by force:

The end of free enterprise. Government control of industry and the economy.

Confiscation of private firearms.

Suspension of Freedom of Speech; jail or worse for politically incorrect speech.

Suspension of that pesky document, the Constitution.

Thought-Reform camps.

Socialist-level taxation.

U.S. military put under U.N. rule, as Kerry once opined, at the mercy of U.N. corruption and its tyrants.

Antisemitic persecution (judenhass for those who want to play the "semitism" wordgame), per the Left's current pet hatred, and the abandonment of Israel.

and so forth.

Even worse nightmare:

At the behest of all the left-wing groups funded by the Heinz foundation, the left might set up such a sequence of events deliberately. When far leftists come to power, they try to consolidate their grip on power at all costs.




That's about as rational and bipartisan as it gets. Of course he ;left out the Homosexual agenda to steal all of the children and convert the entire population.
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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2004 12:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That's about as rational and bipartisan as it gets. Of course he ;left out the Homosexual agenda to steal all of the children and convert the entire population.


Still no response to the memos of which I am just the messenger, not the author.

I think we could go on for 100 more rounds of hysterical attempts to deflect attention from them, but they speak for themselves.

http://fairjudiciary.com/cfj_contents/press/judges.pdf

It's too bad the contents of the sequestered hard disk at the Capitol that has many more memos on it has not yet been released. But they will be.
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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2004 12:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

unabashed comprehensive retraction

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hist/student wrote:
The scariest part for me is how long they've (american far left) been at it. And still are today, it is no wonder there is still a shortage of judges and justice.... thanks tet keneddy


What scares me most is the banality of the tone in the memos.

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This sad case of the Berg boy being executed and then his father blaming the president..... as opposed to dan Rather.... it's just sad.


I give the poor bastard a pass on that. An incident like that could press anyone into temporary loss of rationality and judgment.

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They were willing to play games with the Judicial nomonations untill they were exposed. Now they are playing games with america's best and brightest on the front line.


They are also playing "it depends on what the definition of 'is' is" evasion games with the circumstances of the publicization of the memos to avoid substantively addressing their contents. Note the hooligan posters here employing that democrat tactic exclusively, as is the so-called mainstream media. It's truly a Theatre of the Absurd.

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I would not be suprised in the least to lean the Prison scandal photos were designed to mess with the election


That's a stretch...but Berg's bloody, barbaric torture-murder certainly was intended to influence domestic politics.
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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2004 1:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't responded because OI am not overly concerned with them. This admin has tried to pack the courts withg extreme right wing judges, even though the country is evenly devided and the electio was razor thin. If you want to talk about working with special interests we can talk about energy and religious influences oin the current admin.

But to responces, I noticed you have not responded to my questions from last night's imbicilic screed from you. I would swear it was directly from some militia's website.
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mikest wrote:
I haven't responded because OI am not overly concerned with them. This admin has tried to pack the courts withg extreme right wing judges, even though the country is evenly devided and the electio was razor thin


I see. Overt, naked tampering with the justice system is OK and you are not overly concerned with such tampering because there's too many right wing judges in power.

Sir, if you were in the military, you'd likely face a Court Martial for your ethics, which are typical leftist "end justifies the means" tactics.

End of debate.
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This coming from the party that thinks it's AOK to blow a covert CIA operatives cover because her husband wrote an oped exposing it's dear leaders lies. Or maybe a party that has the energy industry write energy policy. Or threatens and them bribes a member of congress to vote yes on a bill that they deliberately mislead, lied, about the cost.

Yeah. You've got the moral highground little boy.
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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2004 2:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mikest wrote:
This coming from the party that thinks it's AOK to blow a covert CIA operatives cover because her husband wrote an oped exposing it's dear leaders lies. Or maybe a party that has the energy industry write energy policy. Or threatens and them bribes a member of congress to vote yes on a bill that they deliberately mislead, lied, about the cost.

Yeah. You've got the moral highground little boy.



Gee, you're pretty quick with the insults when things aren't going well for you.... he's "little boy," I'm "stupid cow," someone else is "Greenforbrains" - so, who's got the high ground, again? And let's not pretend it's you, eh? Very Happy


Blew the cover on a CIA Operative? First of all, Novak has claimed that his use of the word "operative" was intended in the sense of "Washington operative," not "CIA Operative."

And apparently you're not keeping up with the news - like this:
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2003/9/29/235714.shtml

And this:http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110004158
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Was She Covert? Apparently Not.
The Valerie Plame kerfuffle seems to be fuffling out. Nicholas Kristof of the New York Times offers "a few pertinent facts" about her career:

First, the C.I.A. suspected that Aldrich Ames had given Mrs. Wilson's name (along with those of other spies) to the Russians before his espionage arrest in 1994. So her undercover security was undermined at that time, and she was brought back to Washington for safety reasons.

Second, as Mrs. Wilson rose in the agency, she was already in transition away from undercover work to management, and to liaison roles with other intelligence agencies. So this year, even before she was outed, she was moving away from "noc"--which means non-official cover, like pretending to be a business executive. After passing as an energy analyst for Brewster-Jennings & Associates, a C.I.A. front company, she was switching to a new cover as a State Department official, affording her diplomatic protection without having "C.I.A." stamped on her forehead.

Third, Mrs. Wilson's intelligence connections became known a bit in Washington as she rose in the C.I.A. and moved to State Department cover, but her job remained a closely held secret. Even her classmates in the C.I.A.'s career training program mostly knew her only as Valerie P. That way, if one spook defected, the damage would be limited.

Now, let's go back to the beginning of this kerfuffle. The Nation's David Corn claimed on July 16 that the identification of Plame as a CIA "operative" in Bob Novak's column two days earlier was a "potential violation" of the Intelligence Identities Protection Act of 1982, under which, in Corn's words, "it is a crime for anyone who has access to classified information to disclose intentionally information identifying a covert agent."

Under the Intelligence Identities Protection Act, an employee of an intelligence service is a "covert agent" only if he has worked overseas within the past five years. Thus if Kristof is right, there is no violation here. Where did Corn get the idea that Plame was a covert agent? From her husband, Joseph Wilson, it would appear:

Without acknowledging whether she is a deep-cover CIA employee, Wilson says, "Naming her this way would have compromised every operation, every relationship, every network with which she had been associated in her entire career. This is the stuff of Kim Philby and Aldrich Ames."

This Joe Wilson is a clever one, isn't he? He didn't actually say his wife was a covert agent, so he can't quite be accused of lying. But if Kristof's account of Plame's career is accurate, Wilson misled Corn (as well as others who followed his lead, including Kristof's colleague Paul Krugman) by making a hypothetical statement based on a premise he knew to be false, which gave journalists hostile to the Bush administration all they needed to make an accusation of criminal wrongdoing.


And a little more recently:
http://newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/5/9/152348.shtml
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