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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2004 4:55 pm    Post subject: Col. David Hackworth Stupidity Causes Death Reply with quote

Stupidity Causes Death



By David H. Hackworth



Deploying without sufficient armor and then having to fly 70-ton Abrams tanks to Iraq is as flaky as almost everything else about a war where politicians were proclaiming just a year ago that once we drained the swamps, the rest would be rice and flowers.


If “Blood and Guts” Gen. George Patton had been running things, he’d have roared when told to deploy to a battlefield without all of his killing gear. Rest assured that the 1st Cavalry, 1st Infantry and 1st Marine Divisions would have shipped out with their full kit of heavy weapons instead of liberation light.


But there are few Pattons at the top of today’s military who know the fighting game and have the guts to tell Perfumed Prince superiors that their poor decisions could get soldiers killed. So now – according to the Pentagon’s Lt. Col. Diane Battaglia – our brilliant Brass are “repositioning assets” while our soldiers and Marines are absorbing rocket propelled grenades and road-side mines in thin-skinned vehicles far more fit for a vacation at Yosemite than for combat.


“Most of our tanks were left behind, and tankers, gun bunnies and ADA (Air Defense) guys became infantry,” says a 1st Cav leader in Iraq. “What we need are more tanks and tracked APCs (armored personnel carriers). We also need more Strykers (armored carrier vehicles), because tracks are no good for line-haul escort duty. However, the Strykers aren’t the end-all – they’re having problems maneuvering inside cities with RPG-proof cages. Bradleys can turn faster.”


Now we’re flying armor to these besieged outfits at about $200,000 a tank, and our seaports are on overtime loading ships with the track vehicles that were also left behind.


It’s no wonder that the Pentagon will soon ask we-the-people for additional billions of dollars to continue pursuing the greatest military miscalculation in our country’s history. Meanwhile, the meter’s already closing on $300 billion, 800 dead and more than 22,000 battle and non-battle casualties.


Central Command’s Maj. Gen. John Sattler says that based on the changing situation in Iraq, he requested more tanks and armored Bradley Fighting Vehicles.


Hello? What changing situation? During the months they were preparing to deploy, pals of mine in all three divisions have been groaning to me that they were parking their heavy stuff in the motor pool to go in light. These sergeants, lieutenants and captains already saw that the insurgency struggle in Iraq was getting worse daily, that improvised explosive devices and ambushes were the enemy’s weapons of choice, and that only armor would protect them while they tried to defeat a basically inept but fanatical foe.


But the high brass, from SecDef Donald Rumsfeld down, diligently ignored the fact that guerrilla resistance in Iraq was growing stronger and bolder with the passage of each bloody week.



It’s the type of foggy thinking that reminds me of early 1965, when my parachute brigade was alerted to deploy to Vietnam and we were told we had to take our Army dress uniforms. I yelled at the Pentagon staff officer who gave me the word, and he replied, “We're envisioning a short war.” Or the Pentagon's failure in 1993 to send requested tanks to Mogadishu. The result: “Black Hawk Down,” where a lot of good men died or got shot up.

Until Desert Storm, our military did a pretty good job profiting from the lessons of Vietnam. But then the brass became drunk on their splendid 100-hour victory and concluded that “Shock and Awe” with fewer ground troops and lighter equipment would do the whole trick in future conflicts.


So this time around we went into Iraq criminally short on boots and heavy gear. And one year later, our military’s senior commanders still don’t get what's going down in the killing fields of Iraq, nor are they listening to what their warriors are telling them.



Since the vast majority of the American people are not yet affected by the carnage, waste and stupidity, the death mill of Iraq will grind on until more and more of our sons’ and daughters’ bodies are flown into Dover Air Force Base at the dead of night to keep the photos off Page One.



Unless the people wake up quick smart and demand decent leadership from the top to the bottom of our armed forces, that sad day will come.


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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2004 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

More from Hackworth

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By David H. Hackworth



We’re engaged in a terrorist conflict that will no doubt prove to be the longest and nastiest war in our country’s history. Which means we can’t tolerate slack such as: Three National Guard combat brigades being deployed to Iraq that aren’t good-to-go; our deploying warriors still being sent to the killing fields without sufficient armored vests and vehicles; and the outrageously high number of active-duty and reserve-component troops who aren’t deployable but are being paid to soldier anyway.



All of the above – all fixable – can be blamed on bad leadership. There are just too many Perfumed Princes sporting stars who are politicians, lobbyists and salesmen rather than soldiers. Abe Lincoln went through a squad of such spoilers before he found a U.S. Grant. Today, he’d probably have to sort through at least a battalion of the top brass to find one Ulysses.



Thank you admin for deleting the Alexandra Kerry thread. You have proven again that you have class. Frequently more than me.
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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2004 7:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Col. David Hackworth Stupidity Causes Death Reply with quote

mikest wrote:
[i]Stupidity Causes Death


Oh well. Guess that means we've lost the war. George W., are you listening? Mikest thinks it's time to pack the troops and come home, and leave the Iraqis to Al Queda.

You better listen to him!
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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2004 7:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Col. David Hackworth Stupidity Causes Death Reply with quote

fortdixlover wrote:
mikest wrote:
[i]Stupidity Causes Death


Oh well. Guess that means we've lost the war. George W., are you listening? Mikest thinks it's time to pack the troops and come home, and leave the Iraqis to Al Queda.

You better listen to him!


No, Col. Hackworth titled it that. And guess what? I've never said we should pull the troops, we need to win this which calls for quite a few more troops. Will you be signing up anytime soon? Or will you continue to serve in the 101st Keyboard Brigade?
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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2004 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A letter to Hackworth

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Having just returned from Iraq after a one-year tour of duty with my civil affairs unit. I am in total agreement with Col. David Hackworth’s column on the inadequacies that troops stationed in Iraq are suffering (“Stupidity Causes Death,” DefenseWatch, May 3, 2004). I saw first-hand what my civil affairs unit had to go through. We not only had unarmored Humvees, we also had no SAWs, GPMGs and not enough rifles to go around. We were forced to arm ourselves with weapons from enemy arms cache such as AKs, MP5s, Sterling submachine guns, and Muhkas and RPGs.



Prior to our entry into Iraq, our commanding general said that we did not need SAWs nor working Singcar radios. But just before the war began, he sent an email to USACPOC requesting SAWs for all sub-units of the command. By June 2003, we received four outdated “up armored” Humvees that were distributed one to a battalion. Eventually, we ended up hiring Iraqi welders to put together armor for all the Humvees within our civil affairs command. The only problem was we could not get bullet resistance windshields. I know about this because I personally supervised twelve Iraqi welders at out maintenance shop in the green zone.



I was shocked by the general unpreparedness that the U.S. Army showed in Iraq in general, especially with some Reserve and National Guard units. I talked with members from a National Guard infantry unit from Florida and one from Indiana who was forced to use captured Iraqi civilian and military trucks and buses because the Army didn’t have enough trucks to go around.


The Squad Automatic Weapon was oversold in Iraq when it would have been better to get M-240s or M-60s which are ideal for urban combat.



Because of the inept leadership from the Pentagon on down, I have decided that I have nothing more to offer the Army. Currently I have put myself in control group or IRR and will be retiring next year.



--xxxxxxxxx, Master Sgt., USAR
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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2004 11:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not many soldiers who read Hackworth anymore. He's done his time and he is still living in it. No matter what, he'll find something to criticize. It is how he makes his living.
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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2004 12:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So you're saying you don't agree that deploying troops that aren't ready to go is a good thing? Obviously you are not, but I think it is obvious that much of what he has said in this article is true. Even Wolfowitz has now admitted they underestimated the situation. The letter further confirms what Hackworth is saying.
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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2004 1:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will tell you that he is full of ****.

He is one of the people who should have made sure his troops had their stuff.

Instead he is trying to get a political agenda going.

Instead of asking why aren't our hummers armored? We should be asking who said we can't take more tanks and bradley's?

It wasn't his responsiblility to make sure his troops were ready, if they weren't umm I guess we can complain later why we didn't get a BZ. *sarcasm off*

Todays professional soldiers shouldn't be likened to gaurd units.

Who in their right mind thinks a gaurd unit is professional? One weekend a month and 2 weeks a summer for a citizen soldier is not equal to a professional who does it day in day out for years?

Professional soldiers have their armor, they didn't sell it to buy Dr. Feelgood's latest book on international relations They didn't join just to make some money for college. They don't complain their pay is now less. They don't complain they are away from home. They don't complain because they can't go to college now on a free ticket!

I also noticed he mentioned stykers. For those of you who dont' know they are even worse than hummers. Sounds to me like he signed off on the stryker being the next generation ground assault vehicle but can't come to the terms you would be safer in a hyundai.
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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2004 2:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not really sure what this statement is all about. Hackworth is retired and has been for a while.
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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2004 2:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yes, this could very well be.

At the very least, he's propping up our enemy with his hysterical reporting of how weak and unprepared we are.
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Yes, this could very well be.

At the very least, he's propping up our enemy with his hysterical reporting of how weak and unprepared we are.


Keep your head in the sand. This administration has it all under control. They've done a spectacular job so far.
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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2004 2:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mikest wrote:
So you're saying you don't agree that deploying troops that aren't ready to go is a good thing? Obviously you are not, but I think it is obvious that much of what he has said in this article is true. Even Wolfowitz has now admitted they underestimated the situation. The letter further confirms what Hackworth is saying.


I disagree that we need more troops. I think we need less troops in Iraq, and they need to be the appropriate troops. Conventional Generals are trying to win this with muscles and firepower instead of brains. And Hack agrees entirely with that approach.
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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2004 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Greenhat wrote:

I disagree that we need more troops. I think we need less troops in Iraq, and they need to be the appropriate troops. Conventional Generals are trying to win this with muscles and firepower instead of brains. And Hack agrees entirely with that approach.


I couldn't agree more...well stated. This has morphed into a war in which the importance of propaganda, not military might, has been elevated to the Nth degree. Unless and until a strong majority of the population not only supports but is willing to FIGHT against those opposed to the democratization of their society, any fledgling democracy not backed-up by foreign military force will be cast to the wind as easily as Kerry's ribbons (or was that medals?) flew over the Capitol fence.

Iraq needs to be carpet-bombed with transistor RADIOS, and they should be pumping out "education" 24/7.

In THIS endeavor, Civil Affairs is the new "Queen of Battle".


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Me#1You#10 wrote:
Greenhat wrote:

I disagree that we need more troops. I think we need less troops in Iraq, and they need to be the appropriate troops. Conventional Generals are trying to win this with muscles and firepower instead of brains. And Hack agrees entirely with that approach.


I couldn't agree more...well stated. This has morphed into a war in which the importance of propaganda, not military might, has been elevated to the Nth degree. Unless and until a strong majority of the population not only supports but is willing to FIGHT against those opposed to the democratization of their society, any fledgling democracy not backed-up
by foreign military force will be cast to the wind as easily as Kerry's ribbons (or was that medals?) flew over the Capitol fence.

Iraq needs to be carpet-bombed with transistor RADIOS, and they should be pumping out "education" 24/7.

In THIS endeavor, Civil Affairs is the new "Queen of Battle".


A few Infantry Brigades to provide reaction forces, and a lot of Special Forces, Civil Affairs and Psyops. That is the mix needed.
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