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[Schadow]

So proclaimed many banners reading, "¡Ésta es tierra robada!" at the big Mexican rallies in Los Angeles and other cities. Well, this calls for a little review of history.

[I B Squidly]

note to Schadow: Taylor went to the White House by way of Monterrey. It was Winfield Scott from an landing at Vera Cruz (just like Cortez) that took Mexico City. The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo was concluded when the Americans added $20 million to the pot. Gotta love it. Conquer a country and pay them. Any other country would simply have siezed the land as part of indemnities.

The real comedy of this stolen land scenario is who stole what from whom. All these lands were legacies of the Spanish Conquesta, various entradas and were essentially vain glorious claims on the land and people. They exercised little authority and after Mexico's independence that authority diminished even farther. California was autonimous and unreachable by land from Mexico City because of interdictions of the Yavapai. Arizona, much of New Mexico and great swathes of Sonora and Chihuahua were dominated by Apaches who regularly ravaged or held for ransom Mexican towns. Santa Fe was generally incommunicado from Mexico City. Mesqualeros, Jicarillas and Commanches seperated New Mexico from Texas. In Texas the absence of any effective governance from the south an Independent Republic of the Rio Grande existed at Laredo before the Texas`Revolt and several years after. Nevada, Utah and Colorado included in the treaty had little or no Spanish/Mexican settlement. The point is Mexico was ineffective at governing, developing and populating these lands or they wouldn't have invited Americans to settle in the first place.

The notion of Aztlan is a fabulous nostalgia of a never was.

Every time I see these demonstrations I wonder if the Soylent company is incorporated yet....they had those neat trucks and dog food's getting expensive.
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[wwIIvetsdaughter]

And who was here before in the Americas before the Spanish conquistadores? Native American tribes. Could it not be argued that Mexico stole the land from them? Hmmm? Did those Native American peoples not cross the Bering land bridge tens of thousands of years ago? Where they not Asian? My point is simply those dunderheads are yapping propoganda an impotent, corrupt Mexican goverment has been feeding its miserable masses for years; stoking envy and rage at the United States so as to deflect from their own misearable record of building their nation. Remember, Mexico is as blessed and in some ways surpasses the USA with natural resources, oil, gas, agriculture, ports, minerals etc., but its legacy of corruption, mordidas (bribes) and lack of freedom (US style) has relegated it to a pathetic example of what could of been. PS I am a hispanic American proud to pledge my loyalty to the USA.

[Schadow]

[gmez2001]

[Anker-Klanker]

Maybe I'm just dense, but I have apparently burned a logic circuit in all this. For the sake of argument, let's say the southwest was "stolen" from Mexico. If I give them that, then the logical conclusion to their argument - it seems - is that it should be given back (isn't that the final solution according to the proponents of "it was stolen" argument?).

OK, now just why are those millions and millions of Mexicans fleeing FROM Mexico TO the US? Is it because of better jobs, a better economy, more freedom, a better living, etc., etc.? In the USA? Does any Mexican immigrant (distinction: an immigrant - legal or not - is not the same as a temporary worker) now or ever in the past really want Mexico's corruption and economy transported here?

What is it about this I don't get?

[baldeagle]

[Schadow]

[sixdogteam]

In all of recorded history, throughout the world, 99% of all wars have been fought over Real Estate. One tribe "stealing" land from another.

The only war I ever agreed with was the Trojan War. The men were fighting over a woman, and they knew what they were fighting for!.
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[LimaCharlie]

[Snipe]

So how come I keep flashing on "Helen of Thomas"? That face could
clear out the Washington Navy Yard right down the Potomac!


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[blue9t3]

[quote="Snipe"]So how come I keep flashing on "Helen of Thomas"? That face could
clear out the Washington Navy Yard right down the Potomac!

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LMAO,I had the same thought.A face like that has to sneak up to a glass of water!
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[DADESID]

[PhantomSgt]

And here i thought Helen was Mooning the President each time the camera was on her. Is that really her face?


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Retired AF E-8

Independent that leans right of center.

[AMOS]

Put old Hell-on at the border. Make 'em think twice about heading North.