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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2008 8:39 pm    Post subject: ANOTHER "US soldier" refuses to serve in "ill Reply with quote



Soldier refuses to serve in 'illegal Iraq war'...

Matthis Chiroux is the kind of young American US military recruiters love. "I was from a poor, white family from the south, and I did badly in school," the now 24-year-old told AFP. "I was 'filet mignon' for recruiters. They started phoning me when I was in 10th grade," or around 16 years old, he added.

Chiroux joined the US army straight out of high school nearly six years ago, and worked his way up from private to sergeant. He served in Afghanistan, Germany, Japan, and the Philippines and was due to be deployed next month in Iraq. On Thursday, he refused to go, saying he considers Iraq an illegal war.

...can't post the entire article due to copywrite restrictions.

Any comments? I wonder how we ever won any war producing this kind of soldier. What's happening to our country?
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PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2008 12:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

All over again?

Does he perhaps mention just what law makes it "illegal?" No other has yet that I know of.

As far as I'm concerned, since we have an all volunteer force, if he doesn't want to serve, strip him of all rank and benefits, give him a general discharge and return him to Civilian life.

Then ignore him.
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PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2008 1:16 am    Post subject: Another IVAW "hero" Reply with quote

I found this on another blog when I was checking to see if anyone else knew anything about him. Another IVAW coward.

"I did a search on this nimrod.

Yahoo search say Matthis Chiroux

He was a flipping 46Q, Public Affairs Specialist. And, of course, a member of IVAW. Rolling Eyes

Matthis Chiroux, USAREUR Public Affairs. Spc. ... Photo by Spc. Matthis Chiroux, USAREUR Public Affairs. ...

What the hell does he think he's going to do, rush into a firefight with the 11B's?

The guys who film battles are 25V, Combat Documentation Specialist.

What a p**z. I hope the JAG slams him."

"Deport that terrorist-appeasing Communist traitor piece of garbage back to France where he came from. Want some cheese with that "whine", Monsieur? Better yet, ship his "John F Kerry" to Cuba or Venezuela."
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PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2008 3:16 am    Post subject: More info that doesn't add up Reply with quote

I found this tidbit that really calls his story into question. Is this true?

"At the very least he is lying about one thing. He claims he has been in the Army for 5 years and this is 2008. He states he was stationed in the Phillipines. Slight problem there... the U.S. had removed all military personel and closed all bases in the Phillipines by Nov. 1992. He supposedly enlisted at 17 in 2003. Wouldn't that make him all of six years old in 1992? What was he a drummer boy?"
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PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2008 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Under UCMJ, isn't "Desertion in time of War" still punishable by death?
Way back in Vietnam, when the runaways to Canada first started, if this had been enforced with only one or two "examples" we would not now have this problem child.
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PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2008 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe its just me but that kid seems to have awfully long hair to even be on active duty and if a reserve, looks like he hasn't been doing any drills either.
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PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2008 7:34 pm    Post subject: My first thought, too, but I've been out since 1979 Reply with quote

I thought the same thing. Maybe "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" is now for haircuts, too. Do they still have to shine their boots, or is that also covered under "Don't Ask, Don't Tell"?
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PostPosted: Sun May 18, 2008 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The modern military is all volunteer. Just give hime a discharge for the good of the service.
Also, the guy is sporting a "mullet". When did the services begin allowing anyone to have a "mullet" for a haircut.
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PostPosted: Sun May 18, 2008 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A relatively new website (at least to my knowledge) has cropped up, CoSoldier.org to "help" today's Troops (I read as encourage) register as Conscientious Objectors.

I discovered them due to one of them, perhaps the founder, dropping in on my blog to argue over Desertion being a Federal Crime.

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AWOL and Desertion are not federal crimes. They exist only within the realm and reach of the UCMJ, punishable only within military courts.

CoSoldier.org
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The links page, as can be expected, hooks up to the usual array of anti-war zealots.

To me, claiming Conscientious Objector status in an All Volunteer Force comes across as very out of place.

It seems the mass demonstrations they used during Viet Nam aren't working as well this time around, so we are seeing cases like Ehren Watada and Matthis Chiroux being made high profile in the courts.

Enlisted and junior Officers being allowed to "refuse" deployment orders with relative impunity undermines the discipline needed for a fighting Military to function.
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PostPosted: Sun May 18, 2008 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Buffalo: Its not even a mullet, just a shaggy skateboarder mop slicked back with either 10w-30 or that hair glue junk.

Lew: Must be a new site, there is practically no content there and what little I saw was mostly rips from other sites.

CoSoldier is correct. AWOL or desertion are not federal crimes if you refer to US Code. They are actually more since the jurisdiction is so much wider. Memory escapes me but there is a DD form which in effect is a warrant for arrest (it even comes with a reward) that can be filled out and given to local law enforcement anywhere. They (the idiots pushing this crap) don't want it to get out because it may scare off those who are already demonstratively cowards and whiners.

I agree with Lew 100%. C.O. status would be applicable if we had a draft and forced people to serve. With an all volunteer force the point is moot as the person is ASKING for service with the full knowledge of what it entails. I can only think of one example where it could come into play at all and that would be someone signing on with the understanding of being assigned medical or theological duties and due to one thing or another being reassigned to other line duties. Certainly not an issue with a picture popper in this case.

Just occurred to me: Has anyone else noticed the trend of IVAW and other groups to attempt to emulate not only the rhetoric of VVAW but also the dress and hair styles? Just a personal observation that their sincerity would have a lot more creditability if they didn't look so much like slobs.
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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sure enough, the hair gives it away. The boy was not active duty but Ready Reserve or Inactive as some of us might remember. He's not dodging deployment. He's refusing to answer a recall notice in February. The Army recalled him under Stop/Loss but so far has announced no intention of prosecuting non-respondents. Apparently he's a decent photographer.

What the media isn't reporting are his full remarks wherein he claims to have spiked a litany of stories of horrific Army practices so he wouldn't get in trouble. Only now with his brethren IVAW does he feel strong enough to come forward speaking truth to blah, blah, blah.

I got it here:
http://www.soldiersperspective.us/2008/05/16/stop-the-presses-soldier-refuses-deployment/
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 2:01 am    Post subject: Happy Father's Day. Reply with quote


US soldier refuses to report for active duty in Iraq

"I just wanted to wish everyone a Happy Father's Day", read US army reservist Matthis Chiroux as he publicly refused to deploy to Iraq. The former sergeant on Sunday set himself up for possible prosecution by failing to report for active duty with his unit in South Carolina.

"I forgot to wish everyone a Happy Mother's Day, so I also want to take this opportunity to wish a Happy Mother's Day to my mother and your mother and all you other "mothers" out there.
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