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LewWaters
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 Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 6:27 am Post subject: Anti-McCain ad a 'nightmare' |
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Found in The Hill, some exerpts;
| Quote: | ST. PAUL — An independent ad featuring a fellow prisoner of war questioning John McCain’s ability to be president is a “nightmare” for Barack Obama, former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum (R) said Wednesday.
In the ad, Philip Butler says he would not like to see McCain in the White House because of the POW experience and the Arizona senator’s temperament.
Butler served alongside Sen. McCain (Ariz.) at the U.S. Naval Academy and later was imprisoned alongside the presumptive GOP nominee in Vietnam.
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The ad buy is reminiscent of the 2004 election, when a group of soldiers, who had served with then-Democratic nominee John Kerry in Vietnam, appeared in ads slamming the Massachusetts senator. Kerry’s slow response to the attacks is widely seen as one of the reasons he lost the race. Butler was an outspoken supporter of the Democrat in 2004.
However, Butler told The Hill that he believes the circumstances are different.
“The Swift Boaters tried to demean John Kerry’s service,” Butler stated. “You don’t hear me doing this to John McCain. I’m not talking about his service, I’m talking about the man.”
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Liberal radio talk show host Ed Schultz said that Republicans who reject the ad “only have themselves to blame.”
“They set the bar so low” with the Swift Boat ads in 2004 that they cannot be surprised that liberals, who “really want to win this year,” resort to the same tactic, Schultz stated, adding that McCain’s temperament is an issue that is not out of bounds. |
They still refuse to see what the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth were really about.
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Me#1You#10
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| Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 7:44 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the heads-up Lew.
I have just finished reading Mr. Butler's "Why I Will Not Vote for John McCain", published as a commentary at Military.com (why am I not surprised?) on March 27, 2008. In deference to Mr. Butler's personal sacrifices in behalf of this nation, I will refrain, at some expense to my own level of outrage at his non-specificity and blatant innuendo, from addressing his "observations" further, other than to note that a better example of "damning by faint praise" would be difficult to find.
That being said, consider the source...and what "The Hill" apparently found to be unworthy of mention...
| Quote: | | After his repatriation in 1973 he earned a Ph.D. in sociology from the University of California at San Diego and became a Navy Organizational Effectiveness consultant. He completed his Navy career in 1981 as a professor of management at the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, California. He is now a peace and justice activist with Veterans for Peace. |
'Nuff said.
| LewWaters wrote: | | They still refuse to see what the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth were really about. |
Lew, they KNOW what the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth were really about and, if my confidence in the "new media" is not misplaced, this "faux-swiftboat" piece of tripe will have a shelf-life measured in nano-seconds. |
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TEWSPilot
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| Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Well, they have a dilemma on their hands. On the one hand, they condemn the "swiftboat" tactic and urge the public to reject ALL "swiftboating". On the other hand, they employ THEIR version of a "swiftboat" attack, thereby violating all of their "principles" and at the same time URGING the public to embrace it. What fools they are. Do they still wear "KICK ME!" signs pinned on their backs? |
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Anker-Klanker
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| Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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Insofar as I can determine, Mr. Butler's only real beef about McCain is encapsulated in this paragraph:
| Quote: | | "It is also disappointing to see him take on and support Bush's war in Iraq, even stating we might be there for another 100 years. For me John represents the entrenched and bankrupt policies of Washington-as-usual. The past 7 years have proven to be disastrous for our country. And I believe John's views on war, foreign policy, economics, environment, health care, education, national infrastructure and other important areas are much the same as those of the Bush administration." |
In other words, Butler is a committed liberal infected with BDS (not hard to predict that given where he went to school after he returned), and McCain is - to him - a vile Republican. I.e., there's no "there" there, except for how the left is trying to spin this as some kind of "swift boat" payback. TEWS knocks that "strategy" on its keister, and with that I'd advise leaving the whole subject alone. |
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gmez2001
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| Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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Don't get it..............
No not another sociologist from left-wing headquarters,maybe Butler can come up with a sociological remedy for the illegals that are taking over the state and the $40 Billion and climbing deficit that they cannot control.
No wonder why they have so many problems out there.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Anker-Klanker wrote: | | ...there's no "there" there,... |
Precisely what I meant by non-specificity, but much better stated.
Between Tews making note of their hypocrisy and sheer swiftboat-envy evident in this "faux-swiftboating", both you and Tews have got this pretty well diagnosed.
My only remaining interest remains in watching the nitwits in the MSM try to make a silk purse from this particular sow's ear. |
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There is a difference. My swiftvet brothers told the truth, 100%.
McCain has ALWAYS loved his country and put his country first.
He may have had some liberal leanings from time to time, but he is an honorable man and has selected a Reagan level Conservative to back him up.
He will get my vote in November.
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fortdixlover
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| Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 1:14 am Post subject: Re: Anti-McCain ad a 'nightmare' |
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| LewWaters wrote: | | They still refuse to see what the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth were really about. |
No, the don't. They know exactly what it was about.
They lie under the principle that if you tell a lie often enough, people will believe it.
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| Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 1:15 am Post subject: |
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| TEWSPilot wrote: | | Well, they have a dilemma on their hands. On the one hand, they condemn the "swiftboat" tactic and urge the public to reject ALL "swiftboating". On the other hand, they employ THEIR version of a "swiftboat" attack, thereby violating all of their "principles" and at the same time URGING the public to embrace it. What fools they are. Do they still wear "KICK ME!" signs pinned on their backs? |
Truth be told, they (leftist media/blogger types) really believe the average American is stupid enough not to notice all the hypocrisy and stupidity.
That's called "elitism."
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| I suppose this givesa me the choice of chosing betweens Butlers opposition against John Mc Cain or Bud Days support of John Mc Cain. I think I wil trust Bud Day. |
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| Quote: | | Navy Organizational Effectiveness consultant |
....looks like all the 'community organizers' will be sticking together this election! I always knew I had something missing from my resume:
"student organizer, then a community organizer and then chief field organizer, union organizer, undocumented workers organizer ... At this point you are a 'made' member of the Socialist World Workers party in good standing" |
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