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Leeman
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 Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 5:49 pm Post subject: Thieves take Mojave Cross |
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http://www.sgvtribune.com/news/ci_15059538?source=rss
Well, If the court does not agree with you just go out & tear it down.
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TEWSPilot
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| Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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Some may call this a stretch to make the connection I am going to make, but think it through before you discount it as "Obama Derangement Syndrome".
This act can also be listed among the accomplishments of Barack Obama, and here is the connection:
By ignoring the alarming increase in brazenness and frequency of such relatively minor acts...and, to be honest, even more severe ones..., we simply fail to understand the significance of reporting on stories like this as a means of illustrating the "change" Obama has inflicted on our society and our culture and our values and our behavior. He has stirred the bottom of the cesspool of humanity, and it is now percolating to the surface at record speed. The goons who did this and the ones attacking TEA Parties and marching in the streets in support of anarchy and the illegal alien invasion ARE Obama, just as surely as Edward Hyde was Dr. Jekyl.
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LewWaters
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| Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 1:37 am Post subject: |
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Some are speculating it to have been scrap metal salvagers who stole it to sell the metal.
While possible, I have a difficult time just accepting that due to the distance they would have travel, the work involved in cutting the bolts securing it to the rock and then carting it away to sell it as scrap.
There are just too many other articles easier to grab and sell and for more profit than this cross.
Let's hope they find the criminals and we are told the truth about it.
Personally, I'd hate to have pulled something as this and have upwards of 50 million Veterans ticked off at me.
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zinfella
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| Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 4:22 am Post subject: |
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I think the cross is steel filled with concrete, making it pretty much worthless for scrap sales.
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TEWSPilot
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| Quote: | Anonymous letter explaining cross theft sent to Desert Dispatch
May 11, 2010 5:27 PM
BARSTOW -- An anonymous caller, claiming to know the details of the theft of the Mojave Cross, contacted the Desert Dispatch newsroom at around 4 p.m. Tuesday. He said he was not directly responsible for the cross’s theft, but knew who was. He told a reporter that the person responsible for the theft wrote up the following explanation and statement regarding the removal of the cross. He asked that the Desert Dispatch to print the statement in its entirety.
We make no claims to the validity of the origins of this statement. We concluded, however, that the short time between the reporting of the cross’s theft and the receipt of this lengthy statement signified at least a strong connection. We are passing along this information in the hopes of illuminating what might have happened:
"1. The cross in question was not vandalized. It was simply moved. This was done lovingly and with great care.
2. The cross has been carefully preserved. It has not been destroyed as many have assumed.
3. I am a Veteran.
4. A small non-sectarian monument was brought to place at the site but technical difficulties prevented this from happening at the time the cross was moved to its new location.
5. The cross was erected illegally on public land in 1998 by a private individual named Henry Sandoz. Since then the government has actively worked to promote the continued existence of the cross, even as it excluded other monuments from differing religions. This favoritism and exclusion clearly violates the establishment clause of the US Constitution.
6. Anthony Kennedy desecrated and marginalized the memory and sacrifice of all those non-Christians that died in WWI when he wrote: 'Here one Latin cross in the desert evokes far more than religion. It evokes thousands of small crosses in foreign fields marking the graves of Americans who fell in battles — battles whose tragedies are compounded if the fallen are forgotten.' The irony and tragedy of that statement is unique.
7. Justice Kennedy’s words in particular and others like them from the other Justices caused me to act.
8. At the time of its removal there was nothing to identify the cross as a memorial of any kind, and the simple fact of the matter is that the only thing it represented was an oddly placed tribute to Christ. This cross evoked nothing of the sort that Justice Kennedy writes of, it was in the end simply a cross in the desert.
9. Discrimination in any form is intolerable, as is hatred.
10. Discrimination or hatred based upon religion should be despised by all Americans, and offering that this event was caused by hatred or malice is simply ignorance of the actual intent.
11. Despite what many people are saying, this act was definitively not anti-Christian. It was instead anti-discrimination. If this act was anti-Christian, the cross would not have been cared for so reverently. An anti-Christian response would have been to simply destroy the cross and leave the pieces in the desert.
12. We as a nation need to change the dialogue and stop pretending that this is about a war memorial. If it is a memorial, then we need to stop arguing about the cross and instead place a proper memorial on that site, one that respects Christians and non-Christians alike, and one that is actually recognizable as a war memorial.
13. If an appropriate and permanent non-sectarian memorial is placed at the site the cross will be immediately returned to Mr. Sandoz.
14. Alternatively, if a place can be found that memorializes the Christian Veterans of WWI that is not on public land the Cross will promptly be forwarded with care and reverence for installation at the private site.
15. In short this has happened because as Abraham Lincoln said: 'To stand in silence when they should be protesting makes cowards out of men.' Perhaps this was an inappropriate form of protest if so I humbly request your forgiveness and understanding for the actions that I have taken here." |
Wow! An ATHEIST who thinks he's GOD and wants to impose HIS will on the rest of us...or a Leftist nutjob lying through his teeth.
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LewWaters
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| Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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The land Sunrise Rock sits in was exchanged for a larger parcel elsewhere within the preserve, so the Memorial would not be on "public land."
The fight has been to declare the land transfer as "illegal" to justify the destruction of the Memorial that was first erected in 1934, decades before Bill Clinton declared it the Mojave Federal Preserve.
Henry Sandoz and his wife have been the caretakers of the Memorial for many years. In the 1970's, he replaced the 1934 wooden cross and when it was vandalized, replaced it with the one fashioned out of metal pipe in 1996, where it had stood since 1934.
He did not "illegally" erect the cross on public land as it had been there for decades before it even became public land.
That this criminal took it upon himself to remove the Memorial, erected by Veterans of our Grandfather's ages shows his complete lack of honor to those men and their fallen comrades.
Those who have wanted the destruction of this Memorial even went so far as to instigate a bogus claim of a Buddhist being denied permission to erect a Buddhist Shrine nearby to justify their desire to have the Memorial destroyed.
This person, whoever it is, must be found and prosecuted to the fullest extent, or handed over to other Veterans.
That he defies a Supreme Court ruling and takes it upon himself to decide what others may have to honor their fallen comrades is itself a travesty of justice.
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