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Robert Cooper Lt.Jg.
Joined: 06 Aug 2004 Posts: 134 Location: Tulsa, OK
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Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 9:11 pm Post subject: SwiftVets to Fizzle Out After the Election |
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John Kerry and his supporters only wishes!
I believe that the SwiftVets will survive well beyond the Presidential Election - Why?
Because of the judicial deficit that John Kerry created in 1971 when he testified before Congress and labeled all Vietnam War Veterans as "War Criminals." This has been an ongoing issue for the past 33 years - and, Vietnam War Veterans has yet received a fair and equitable hearing to have this cruel, insensitive and unfounded label, once and for all, renounced and removed. For 33 years, Vietnam War Veterans have been overtalked and shouted at and denied their day in court! For our Nation to elect the likes of John Kerry as our President would be the ultimate slap in every veteran's face.
The media and Kerry supporters have cleverly constructed their counter arguments and criticisms in context of the Presidential Election - using different criteria for what testimonies are accepted - eg, "None of the SwiftVets served on Kerry's boat" - However, Kerry didn't serve on any of their boats either - yet, in 1971 Congress allowed him to not only testify on his own behalf - they also allowed him to testify of the activities of the other swiftboats in his convoy - furthermore, they also allowed him to relay the stories of others as told him by other members of the Armed Forces without requiring him to submit sworn affidavits - in fact he refused to even give Congress their names. Our sense of jurisprudence mandates that if Congress allowed the very broad and unsupported heresays of Kerry in 1971 - then, SwiftVets should be allowed to submit their testimonies today - and that with personal testimonies from each witness, sworn affidavits and copious documentation. The SwiftVets efforts confronts issues that are much broader than the Presidential Election - rather, the context of the Vietnam War Issue as it relates to John Kerry actually covers a period extending from 1971 to now.
Respectively Yours,
Bob Cooper, Veteran, USN, Attack Squadron 34, 1971-77
Tulsa, OK _________________ Know the difference between Politics and Mesmeratics - one embraces, propagates and promotes the truth, while the other manipulates it! |
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U S Army EOD Seaman Recruit
Joined: 24 Jul 2004 Posts: 44 Location: Lincolnton, GA
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Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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The main goal is to defeat Kerry, then hope all the truth comes out then fade away. Although not a Swiftboat Vet, (actually I did sail a 36ft sailboat across the North Atlantic in the winter time, but that is another story) I did pay my dues in Vietnam.
After Kerry is defeated we need to consentrate on giving all our support to the current generation of soldiers so something like what happened to us will never happen again. After Kerry's down fall I say leave the past alone but never forget it. "Hang the Mask of Zorro in a safe place in case it is ever needed again". _________________ Wootten A. York
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8th Ord Det (EOD) ROK 68-69
542 Ord Det (EOD) CONUS 70-71
99th Ord Det (EOD) RVN 72-73 |
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FF1047 Lieutenant
Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 222
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Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 9:40 pm Post subject: Put the dog down once and for all ... |
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I say keep things going until Kerry is down, humiliated and out of office. That dog bit veterans once, and instead of doing the same thing we would do with a real dog they let him get away with it (out of respect for any veteran). HE WILL BITE VETERANS AGAIN !!! As long as he has his one vote out of a hundred in the Senate he is dangerous. _________________ JJC
USNA class of 1980 |
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U S Army EOD Seaman Recruit
Joined: 24 Jul 2004 Posts: 44 Location: Lincolnton, GA
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Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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To FF1047,
Like I said. Always remember where we stored the Mask of Zorro and keep it handy. _________________ Wootten A. York
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8th Ord Det (EOD) ROK 68-69
542 Ord Det (EOD) CONUS 70-71
99th Ord Det (EOD) RVN 72-73 |
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Doc Jerry Commander
Joined: 28 May 2004 Posts: 339
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Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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When he loses, he'll still be a U.S. Senator and that's unacceptable. The Swiftees will still have a lot of work on their hands to make sure this fake, phony and fraud enters obscurity. |
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RGScott Seaman Recruit
Joined: 07 Aug 2004 Posts: 28 Location: Newport News, VA
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Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 12:00 am Post subject: Re: SwiftVets to Fizzle Out After the Election |
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Robert Cooper wrote: |
I believe that the SwiftVets will survive well beyond the Presidential Election - Why?
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The SwiftVets efforts confronts issues that are much broader than the Presidential Election - rather, the context of the Vietnam War Issue as it relates to John Kerry actually covers a period extending from 1971 to now.
Respectively Yours,
Bob Cooper, Veteran, USN, Attack Squadron 34, 1971-77
Tulsa, OK |
There is the matter of Hanoi John’s sedition and treason after his unsuccessful bid for office running as a war hero. With that failure he joined the anti-war movement and led the Viet Nam "Veterans" against the War as a way to gain name recognition and fame in Massachusetts.
To the best of my knowledge there is no statute of limitations on these crimes. I would very much like to see him brought up on these charges by either a civil or (preferably) a military courts martial. He was still an officer in the US Navy when he blatantly committed these crimes. _________________ Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.
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Caleb Flerk Seaman Recruit
Joined: 08 Aug 2004 Posts: 14 Location: Roanoke, VA
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Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 12:45 am Post subject: |
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The Swift Boat Veterans for Truth "ain't no one-trick pony." There's no reason whatever they should pull a Douglas MacArthur and "just fade away" after the election.
I really think this group has become a powerful focal point for veterans of all branches in all areas of operations who served during the Vietnam era. It's giving a lot of people a chance to voice much of what they've kept inside themselves for so many years ... perhaps even a chance to reclaim some of the pride they felt in their service to this country.
Todays warriors have certainly earned and deserve the gratitude and admiration of a nation. Vietnam vets are no different.
This presidential election is a once in a lifetime opportunity to remove the stain Kerry imposed on the military and set the record straight.
What would you call two trial lawyers out of work? .... A good start ! _________________ A Fair Fight is Always the Result of Poor Mission Planning |
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tngator Lt.Jg.
Joined: 03 Aug 2004 Posts: 105 Location: Tn
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Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 8:17 am Post subject: |
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IMO, after Kerry loses this election, there is so much that this group could do to essentially change the face of American politics as we know it ....... SBVT Party? I'd vote the ticket _________________ Click 4 SEC Sports Talk
Kerry Fled While Brave Men Bled |
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HardCorps Ensign
Joined: 10 Aug 2004 Posts: 65 Location: San Diego
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Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 9:04 am Post subject: |
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I will continue to fight and inform until Mr. Kerry has Justice, damn the election. This is about reversing a great injustice, protecting our military and destroying the Myth that was created by Mr. Kerry and people like him for their political and ideological gain which quite frankly has never died to this day and will continue to harm and stigmatize our military for 4 more generations.
God Forbid the American people do not become intelligently informed on the facts or worse yet they vote for Kerry anyway because they don't see the relevance, I will continue to fight this till I 'm dead. The big difference is that the UCMJ will constrain officers from criticizing a President under certain circumstances- but that’s not going to happen. _________________ __________________________
-USMC - Always Faithful
-Platoon Cmdr - Somalia
-ANGLICO FAC - Iraqi Freedom |
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