SwiftVets.com

[SmokeOnTheWater]

I'm more than a little bit disapointed that this site has gone from a "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" forun to a "Let's Bash Kerry" forum. I'm tired of reading things like, "Has everyone forgot about 9/11?" (as far as I know Kerry had no part in 9/11, neither did any Iraqis), and "Kerry is a lying, cheating, weasel" (this is an OPINION, folks. Give me facts). Yes, Kerry might have lied at some point 30+ years ago but George Bush just lied to us recently (weapons of mass destruction?) or at least it seems that way. He started an investigation into whose lie that was but then refused to take an oath and testify when the spotlight turned on him!

I'm not a big fan of Kerry OR Bush. I know most of you aren't big Clinton fans but, hey, give me a balanced budget, record low unemployment, and prosperity any day. I don't know about y'all, but I was livin' high on the hog under the Clinton administration AND I felt safe. Times are a lot harder now. I'm still doing Ok, but many of my friends are unemployed.
The federal budget is a mess. I don't feel safe. "W" is finishing up his first term. Hey, do we see a pattern here? I don't know that Kerry can do much better... but Bush has about worn out his welcome in my book.

I want to see cold, hard facts regarding Kerry's possible misconduct in the service, his demeanor upon his return home, and his record as an elected official up to this point. I'm having trouble finding that information disseminated in a factual, to-the-point manner. There seems to be too much emphasis on what the "reporter" thinks of Kerry. For all of you out there who think that you have evidence regarding Kerry's behavior or his character, I personally would appreciate you posting it in a way that doesn't include the terms "***** slap" or "ass whuppin'." I alos want to see information from people who know what they're talking about. No he-said/she-said bull*. Just the facts, ma'am.

[Morto]

[Navy_Navy_Navy]

[Greenhat]

Facts:

John F. Kerry testified under oath that certain acts were common and were policy in Vietnam. They were not. John F. Kerry held a commission as a US Naval Officer at the time. His testimony was a violation of Article 88 of the UCMJ as well as perjury.

John F. Kerry met with representatives of the NVA and the VC in Paris. As a US Citizen, that was a crime. As a Naval Officer, it was a violation of his oath and a violation of UCMJ.

John F. Kerry took part in a meeting in which the assassination of US Senators was discussed. As a US Citizen and a Naval Officer, it was his duty to report that meeting (regardless of his feelings about the potential threat). He did not do so, and as a result arguably took part in a conspiracy to plan to wage war on the US or to commit terrorist acts.

John F. Kerry served 10 years in the Senate. His voting record speaks for itself. He rarely voted. His record of responsibly doing his job as a Senator is not especially good. He argues that his voting record is misunderstood because of pork, etc. But the one bill that clearly represents his views (since it garnered no co-sponsors and as a result has nothing added that is not Kerry's work) was a bill intended to make severe cuts to the intelligence agencies and some cuts to defense.

We are at war. Do we need a President with the record above?
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[Marine4life]

High on the hog, prosperious, safe. Wow could that be because Regan and Bush #1 set the economic agenda for 12 years so clinton could take a ride for 8, and totally screw it up so Bush #2 has to start over again? We all know that what one President does in office doesn't take effect for at least 4-8 years right? Under Regan, Bush, clinton I paid 60 cents a gallon for propane, in August before clinton left office I paid 96 cents a gallon. That was before Bush won the election. Appears to me clinton just got out in the nick of time. I bet Vince Foster felt safe too. Semper Fi
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[Ranger10x]

There should be three different polls by all the major networks on this issue with the following questions; of course they would never do it since will hurt John Kerry with the results.

Ex Airborne Ranger
2nd Ranger Batt 75th Inf
Fort Lewis WA

For WWII Veterans only

For Vietnam Veterans only

For All Veterans


• Who should be the next Commander & Chief?
o President Bush
o John Kerry

• Who do you consider a traitor to this country for their actions
during the Vietnam War and after the Vietnam War?
o President Bush
o John Kerry
o Neither
o Both

• Since John Kerry has portrayed himself as a War Hero for this
year’s Presidential election during his 4 month tour in Vietnam,
do you think John Kerry is a true War Hero?
o Yes
o No

• Did John Kerry help or hurt the Vietnam Veterans that were
still in Vietnam during his Anti-Vietnam War years?
o Helped
o Hurt

• Do you think John Kerry helped the enemy in Vietnam?
o Yes
o No
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[The bandit]

SmokeOnTheWater wrote:

> "Kerry is a lying, cheating, weasel" (this is an OPINION, folks. Give me
> facts). Yes, Kerry might have lied at some point 30+ years ago but George
> Bush just lied to us recently (weapons of mass destruction?) or at least
> it seems that way. He started an investigation into whose lie that was but
> then refused to take an oath and testify when the spotlight turned on him!

For some facts, see: Tough Questions for Sen. Kerry

As for Bush lying, this is the Dem Machine at work framing Bush as a liar to unroot him in Nov. Dems know people won't vote for Kerry because of his positions on issues or charm....only way they can get get the WH is by framing Bush as a misearble faliure and liar so enough people will vote for Kerry to just get rid of Bush.

[Cam Ranh '71]

So Smokey wants FACTS!?
Morto, Greenhat, Marine4, Ranger, and Bandit started a great factual list.
Smokey, So you were high on the HOG, you mean Clinton?
You say you felt safe with Billy Boy? With Osama Bin Laden hitting the US four [??] times, that's safe?
With OBL's planning attacks, Clinton's getting a blow job in the Oval Office by that woman, Monica Lewensky, that's safe? Do you mean safe SEX? Fact, Clinton lied about his affair to Congress. Fact, he was impeached!
As was pointed out, Kerry lied to Congress and put US at risk, and he went scott free. FACT.
Morto wants to see of Smokey's credentials; I'll second that.

A rebuttal from Smokey? More facts?

CS in PA

[Navy_Navy_Navy]

I'm betting SmokeOnTheWater was a one-post wonder and we'll probably never hear from him, again.

Wish a few of our other DNC trolls were as rarely heard from.
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[DamnProudAmerican]

I was in Iraq for the beginning of the invasion and through the major fighting. I personally toured rooms full of gas masks, antidote kits, detection kits etc. I can safely infer that those masks weren't for just show and also that wasn't laughing gas Saddam sprayed all over the Kurds.
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[Morto]

[Navy_Navy_Navy]

Welcome Home, Marine!

Glad you made it back safe and sound and I hope everything is going well for you.

Yeah, all that stuff just never seems to add up to enough evidence of WMD to satisfy most people.

It's not like Hussein thought WE would be using chem/bio - what the hell did he have all those thousands of suits for?

And why were there drums of pure insecticides kept in ammunition bunkers? As someone said, it's not like bombs and bullets are prone to being eaten by moths.

Welcome aboard!
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[MikeWinn]

Welcome home, DPA, and thanks for your service. I, too, am still waiting for Smoke's credentials??!! Typical for a lib to come on to a site reserved for people who have sacrificed a part of their lives for the protection of this novel concept called freedom. As we approach the 60th anniversary of D-Day and celebrate the greatest generation's contributions, let us remember those of our comrades in arms who made the ultimate sacrifice in defense of this great country. If they would let this old 52 year old do it, I would lockand load a Spooky's 7.62mm Miniguns again and join the boys in Iraq. Makes me sick to hear folks who have never been there to bad mouth veterans or this country. Damn, I better get off my soapbox, my blood pressure is risin again.
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Dedicated to Rico. KIA March 14, 1971.
Love ya man.

[hist/student]

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[War Dog]

• Who should be the next Commander & Chief?
o President Bush

• Who do you consider a traitor to this country for their actions
during the Vietnam War and after the Vietnam War?
o John Kerry

• Since John Kerry has portrayed himself as a War Hero for this
year’s Presidential election during his 4 month tour in Vietnam,
do you think John Kerry is a true War Hero?
o No

• Did John Kerry help or hurt the Vietnam Veterans that were
still in Vietnam during his Anti-Vietnam War years?
o Hurt

• Do you think John Kerry helped the enemy in Vietnam?
o Yes

I'm currently reading the biography of General Giap. It's an interesting read, and one that should be read by all Veterans!

I have respect for the office that John F. Kerry holds as United States Senator, however, I have no respect whatsoever for John F. Kerry. To me, this man is a traitor to our nation, our military and to my fellow Vietnam Veterans! Those that protect him and support him can spin the facts to support their side, but none of it will change my views on this poor excuse.

To me, it matters not if John F. Kerry is a Republican, Democrat, Liberal, Conservative or other! I base my opinion on the antics, tactics, testimony, and actions of what this man did after he returned from Vietnam, and in the years since.

Woof!

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Korat RTAFB (71-72)
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USAF/USN (Retired/Disabled)
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