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AZ3
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 4:49 pm    Post subject: What is a troll? Reply with quote

What is a Troll?

An Internet "troll" is a person who delights in sowing discord on the Internet. He (and it is usually he) tries to start arguments and upset people.

Trolls see Internet communications services as convenient venues for their bizarre game. For some reason, they don't "get" that they are hurting real people. To them, other Internet users are not quite human but are a kind of digital abstraction. As a result, they feel no sorrow whatsoever for the pain they inflict. Indeed, the greater the suffering they cause, the greater their 'achievement' (as they see it). At the moment, the relative anonymity of the net allows trolls to flourish.

Trolls are utterly impervious to criticism (constructive or otherwise). You cannot negotiate with them; you cannot cause them to feel shame or compassion; you cannot reason with them. They cannot be made to feel remorse. For some reason, trolls do not feel they are bound by the rules of courtesy or social responsibility.

Perhaps this sounds inconceivable. You may think, "Surely there is something I can write that will change them." But a true troll can not be changed by mere words.

Why Does it Matter?

Some people — particularly those who have been online for years — are not upset by trolls and consider them an inevitable hazard of using the net. As the saying goes, "You can't have a picnic without ants."

It would be nice if everybody was so easy-going, but the sad fact is that trolls do discourage people. Established posters may leave a message board because of the arguments that trolls ignite, and lurkers (people who read but do not post) may decide that they do not want to expose themselves to abuse and thus never get involved.

Another problem is that the negative emotions stirred up by trolls leak over into other discussions. Normally affable people can become bitter after reading an angry interchange between a troll and his victims, and this can poison previously friendly interactions between long-time users.

Finally, trolls create a paranoid environment, such that a casual criticism by a new arrival can elicit a ferocious and inappropriate backlash.

The Internet is a wonderful resource which is breaking down barriers and stripping away prejudice. Trolls threaten our continued enjoyment of this beautiful forum for ideas.

What Can be Done about Trolls?

When you suspect that somebody is a troll, you might try responding with a polite, mild message to see if it's just somebody in a bad mood. Internet users sometimes let their passions get away from them when seated safely behind their keyboard. If you ignore their bluster and respond in a pleasant manner, they usually calm down.

However, if the person persists in being beastly, and seems to enjoy being unpleasant, the only effective position is summed up as follows:

The only way to deal with trolls is to limit your reaction to reminding others not to respond to trolls.

When you try to reason with a troll, he wins. When you insult a troll, he wins. When you scream at a troll, he wins. The only thing that trolls can't handle is being ignored.

What Not to Do

As already stated, it is futile to try to "cure" a troll of his obsession. But perhaps you simply cannot bear the hostile environment that the troll is creating and want to go away for a while.

If you do that, then for the sake of the others on the system, please do not post a dramatic "Goodbye!" message. This convinces the troll that he is winning the battle. There is, perhaps, no message you can write on a message system that is as damaging as an announcement that you are leaving because of the hostility that the troll has kindled.

If you feel you must say something, a discreet message to the system operator (and some of the others users, if you have their email addresses) is the best course of action. Incidentally, if you are writing the letter in an agitated state, it is a good idea to wait an hour and then give it one last review before you actually send it. That might spare you the pain of saying things that you don't really mean to people you like.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 4:52 pm    Post subject: no Reply with quote

no its just name calling
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 11:55 pm    Post subject: Re: What is a troll? Reply with quote

AZ3 wrote:
What is a Troll?

An Internet "troll" is a person who delights in sowing discord on the Internet. He (and it is usually he) tries to start arguments and upset people.

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Abreviated quote!

Great Post AZ3! Original or plagiarized like half of mine are? Laughing Laughing

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 04, 2004 12:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Plagarized of course! Wink

Trolldom is a universal curse. Though this place is infested, I've seen many on other boards who are far worse. What we have here are simply children who know how to type a few words and then hit the Enter key.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 04, 2004 2:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AZ3 wrote:
Plagarized of course! Wink

Trolldom is a universal curse. Though this place is infested, I've seen many on other boards who are far worse. What we have here are simply children who know how to type a few words and then hit the Enter key.


Troll as a noun is an interesting word.

Here's one definition.

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Main Entry: 3troll Pronunciation Guide
Pronunciation: "
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): -s
Etymology: Norwegian troll & Danish trold, from Old Norse troll giant, fiend, demon; akin to Middle High German trolle ghostly monster, boor, lout, trollen to run with short steps, Old Norse tramr demon, monster, Middle High German tremen to totter, stagger, Middle Low German trampen to stamp, tread, Old English treppan to tread -- more at TRAP
: a supernatural being in Germanic and Scandinavian folklore and mythology having sometimes the form of a dwarf and sometimes of a giant and inhabiting caves or hills


The second noun definition is:

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Main Entry: 2troll Pronunciation Guide
Pronunciation: "
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): -s
1 England : a hawker's cart : TROLLEY
2 a : the process of trolling b (1) : the lure (as a spoon) used in trolling (2) : the line with its lure and hook used in trolling
3 : a song sung in parts successively : CATCH, ROUND
4 : a slovenly or loose woman : TROLLOP


So what we have here is:

a slovenly woman who fishes with a lure, possibly a giant, fiend, demon; akin to Middle High German trolle ghostly monster, boor, lout; having sometimes the form of a dwarf and sometimes of a giant and inhabiting caves or hills.

Does that sound about right? Laughing Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 04, 2004 7:16 am    Post subject: Trolls and other such losers! Reply with quote

As I have posted many times before,
Arguing with FOOLS is like negotiating with TERRORISTS, it's futile.
Trolls surely fit the category.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 04, 2004 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or troll as in trolling. Stick the bait on the hook and troll it behind the
boat waiting for fish to bite. GOTTCHA!
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