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GenrXr

The person defending Kerry who was on the skimmer boat for his first purple heart could not help but dart his eyes skyward away from the interviewer right as he said as far as I can remember thats how it happened. This was on the Lisa Myers report to Scarborough regarding whether Rear Adm. William L. Schachte or the Kerry defender were on the right side of the story. I thought this was very important as in my opinion showed decpection on the part of the Kerry defender whereas Schachte was straight forward adament, concise and without darting eyes.
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ASPB · Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 3:00 am Post subject:

I take Bill Schachte Radm and JAG OinC over a PO3 bought and paid for that has previously said he didn't know if there was any fire that night.
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GenrXr · Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 3:04 am Post subject:

Lets take rank out of the equation and look at this with an objective view. As I said there was a tell the defender gave off when his eyes darted up that showed deception. As far as whether hes unreliable because hes enlisted? In my experience with the military there are far greater a number of honorable enlisted then officer. Its by far not only the numbers but the humility of the variable component. So like I said lets take rank out of the equation and view the deception for what it is.
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Tom Poole · Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 3:05 am Post subject: Purple Heart #1

I'm sure I read in this site the names of the two enlisted men who claim to have been on the skimmer. Now I cannot find it but someone mut know the topic or their names. Implied from Schacte's interview is that one of them is lying. If an investigation comes, the one (or both) who lied might fear perjury enough to come clean.
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GenrXr · Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 3:09 am Post subject:

Poole I didn't see the defenders name on the screen but it sounded like Gonzalez?
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Tom Poole · Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 4:22 am Post subject: ...Purple Heart #1

GenrXr, I did not see the interview but merely read the transcript. I later discovered that the two sailors who claim to have been with Flipper John on the skimmer were named Runyan and Zaldonis. Adm. Schacte implies that one of them must be lying and I hope the Naval investigation deposes them formally just in case the one who lied, fearing perjury, might change his mind.
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GenrXr · Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 5:41 am Post subject:

neverforget · Vice Admiral Joined: 18 Jul 2004 Posts: 875

Eyes up and to the right is a good sign of lying. Up and to the left generally is not.

TripleDipper

Didn't Zaldonis serve on PCF 44 with Kerry? Name sounds familiar.
Agree that officers can be untruthful at times but in this case my money is on the Admiral. Didn't see the interview but did someone asked them for proof that they were on this mission? Why would the CO send a wet behind the ears JG and two junior enlisted on such a mission? Doesn't past the common sense test!

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Mark · Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 10:12 am Post subject:

I never realized that rank is an indicator of honor or dishonor.
Several of these posts are downright silly and discredit this forum.
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Debs · Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 2:04 pm Post subject:

It appears to me that what is most significant here is that Schachte said he did not file an after action report because there was no hostile fire - evidently, no after action report exists on this incident, and that to me is what is most relevant. If there was no such report indicating hostile fire, then how could Kerry have received a purple heart, as it is my understanding that the citations are written primarily from the after action reports, and as O'Neill states in the book in regard to documents on this incident "whatever documents exist are known only to Kerry, The Department of Defense, and God." It seems to me that as far as we know, the Navy documents support Schachte's account as no after action report exists, and if it did, Kerry would have already released it.
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GenrXr · Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 2:17 pm Post subject:

Tom Poole · Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 2:25 pm Post subject: Purple Heart #1

GenrXr said: "Zaldonis was the one with the darting eyes. He had deception written all over his face and did a very poor job of defending Kerry. No doubt in my mind he was told what to say."

I finally saw a short clip on MSNBC of Mr Zaldonis. Although body language is a bit nonscientific, I agree that IMO, he's lying.

p.s. Does anyone know how to properly attribute a quote?
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