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This is where I was told to come...to this forum as you will see if you choose to read. So, I did, here I am. Enjoy. Maybe I wasn't supposed to bring politics in here, but since I was told to talk about this here, then enjoy!!
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America#1



Joined: 03 Sep 2004
Posts: 3
Location: Jacksonville, Florida
Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 8:03 am Post subject: why?

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Why? Why are you guys slamming Kerry, and saying that he lied about medals? Why are you guys supporting someone who uses such a tragedy as 9-11 for a campaign advancement? Why are you guys supporting someone who broke every campaign promise that he ever made? My father was a Decorated Recon Marine who was also a Vietnam Veteran. Naval Cross, 2 Purple Hearts. That's decorated to me. I know about having pride for your country, trust me. I also know that Vietnam Vets were treatly poorly when they arrived back to America. My father's personal experience was being spit on by Hippies in California. He couldn't raise his head up for years without feeling ashamed. He never wanted to talk about it. One day in 2001, sitting in the garage, just 8 or 9 months before he died (when I was 20) he told me a lot of things that he saw that I never thought one person could. He told me all about the 40 degree angle plans they had to execute to eliminate so and so. He told me how he and some of his fellow soldiers would shoot vietnamese because they could, or had to. He told me so much. It's sad that the Vietnam Veterans are just now getting the recognition they deserve. What's even more sad, a good number of them (including the ones who died in battle) never got to see the day that they were recognized for their actions. Vietnam was a long time ago, and no one appreciated the service men and women until just recently. When I was little, we lived in Savannah, Georgia, we had to go to school on Memorial Day, but we got Martin Luther King Jr Day off. My dad thought our public school system had their priorities out of line. So, every Memorial Day my father would come and get my sister and I out of bed early in the morning to tell us we would not be going to school. We spent our day with our father. The first thing we would do would be go to WalMart or somewhere, and buy a new flag. We got a new one every year, but it had to made in America, no matter how much it would cost, it didn't matter. He would rarely buy anything that wasn't, he was that proud.
Most times, I didn't understand what was going through his head. I always wondered what he would think about so much. Then once he told me about all of his endeavors I knew that his thoughts were re-enacted, he would think about his past. In his sleep sometimes he would be reminded of some of those events that made his blood curdle when he was 19.
I also remember, when there were sporting events, such as the super bowl, world series and bowl games, when they would play the National Anthem, he would make all of us stand up in the living room and put our hands over our hearts and listen and appreciate the silence and respect while our flag made it's journey to glory. I always hated doing that when I was little. Now I know why, he was teaching me and my sister the virtue of this country. He was letting us know that we are a priveledged nation and that we MUST appreciate and respect the world we live in.
Nevertheless, as time passed, he became aware of one certain fact, he served his country, served it well, and most importantly, he did the right thing. It took him a long time to let go of that regret, most of which went with him the day he left my life. My heart would break when he would look down at his arms and see his tattoos that reminded him of all of that pain, suffering, and condemnation. My father would be most astonished to see that his fellow countrymen support such a beast,( Bush). His father wasn't a good man, neither is Bush. Yes, it's my opinion, but I have the right to cast it.
I'm not worried about the label of the party you select. It's not about who's a democrat, or who's a republican. It's about the measure of the man who's running. My father suffered an acute myocardial infarction (heart attack), he died at 3:38am on 4 July 2002. He was only 50. He was my mentor, my best friend, but best of all, he was a father I wouldn't change for an eternity in heaven or a glimpse of my soul. My dad felt he was running from something that was haunting him his entire life, just to find out he was running from the truth about himself. Think about that.
Thanks for listening.
Again, I am not trying to make anyone mad, please don't respond with hate mail. I just want you guys to see that there are other perspectives out there than yours, mine and the neighbors. I just really wanted to get my story out to others. If I can get one person to appreciate my story, it will change my life.

Mastour



Joined: 26 Aug 2004
Posts: 14

Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 8:23 am Post subject: I feel for you but...

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Do you understand the meaning of loyality? I think you do because of how you feel for your father. It's admirable that you hold you father in such high esteem, if only everybody felt the same was as you do for their fathers, but some are not that lucky.

What you have to understand is this is not a fight for Bush to win the presidency. This is a fight to stop a man that has shown no honor or loyality to those who were in Vietnam fighting for what they believed was a legitimate cause. You say Bush is a beast and he and his father are not good men. Why? I'm just curious what makes you think this of these two men.

Imagine if you can looking at our country after what happened on 9/11. What do you do as President? Do you have polls conducted to see what the American people want you to do? Or do you, based on the best information you have, take the fight to those who wish to destroy who we are as a nation. Nobody wants to go to war. Whoever thinks that this President was looking for a reason to go to war is seriously in need of some help. But sometimes hard decisions need to be made and sometimes those decisions mean brave men and women are going to die. That is what this President I'm sure was struggling with. For him to do nothing would have been impeachable. He had to go to Afghanistan. He had to go to Iraq. He will more than likely have to go to Syria and/or Iran. This is a fight that was brought to us not us to them. This started years ago and has finally come to a head.

What people need to realize is the SBVT look at what is going on in the world today and see a man who has shown his true stripes. Who better to judge a man than those individuals who worked with him, faught(sp) with, and found he is wonting. His actions after returning home from Vietnam and after casting vote after vote to degrade our abilities as nation to fight when necessary, has shown at least this individual he does not have what it takes to secure this nation from a threat.
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JCBoston



Joined: 31 Aug 2004
Posts: 17

Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 8:37 am Post subject: Re: why?

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America#1 wrote:
My father's personal experience was being spit on by Hippies in California. He couldn't raise his head up for years without feeling ashamed.


John Kerry is part of the reason that happened to your father.

You have had your mind poisoned by socialist propaganda, to the point that you are blind to see that the man you are praising was one of the people doing the spitting back then (figuratively).

It is good that you hold your father in such high regard for his service, and his sacrifice. You do the man a dis-service by talking the way that you do.

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msindependent



Joined: 26 Aug 2004
Posts: 40
Location: Colorado
Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 8:49 am Post subject:

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They served with Kerry and have a major beef with the man. Read through the posts and discover their side of the story. Kerry hurt them in many different ways. This started long before the current election and has nothing to do with W. Open up and listen to them.

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Stevie
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Joined: 25 Aug 2004
Posts: 71
Location: Queen Creek, Arizona
Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 8:59 am Post subject:

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Ameica#1

I too would like to know why you think so badly of the 2 bush pesidents....

you are young.... compared to me.... I've been around for several presidents....hmmmm

also, the vietnam era..... was in my teens.... knew peoople who went.... and died.... and some who came back....

prior to that, when I was even younger, we lived under the fear of Soviet Union bombing us.... we listened for the air raid sirens.....

and have you read the uFC? and kerry's book? and dated articles where Kerry contradicted himself.... again and again and again?????

do some homework on this stuff - there's a lot of site addresses listed somewhere in the forum .... maybe the 1st page - they've just been setting it up; have you listened to Kerry 's statement to congress? maybe this will help you understand some of your father's inner demons.... and ask yourself, why did your dad not proclaim himself a war hero to everyone? and Kerry does? who is really the hero?

and listen to ollie North.... he is wise...

and to Mastour.... faught is fought.... close.... sometimes I have trouble spelling 'is' (that only started when Clinton was in office)....

Stevie

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Stevie
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Joined: 25 Aug 2004
Posts: 71
Location: Queen Creek, Arizona
Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 9:05 am Post subject:

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Americas#1,

for the response on the Bush presidents (if you are going to respond) should go to Geebunk and Scuttlebutt area... or a personal email

questions /info about Kerry / swifties - that's here....

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America#1



Joined: 03 Sep 2004
Posts: 3
Location: Jacksonville, Florida
Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 9:05 am Post subject: Hmm.

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See, I knew everyone who would reply, would attack. I loved my father, I still do. I love my country, and so did he. How are all of you so sure that he lied about his medals or whatever? So do you think that everyone who fought in Vietnam was as proud as my father and whoever else reads this? Don't you realize that Bush isn't so great? Do you realize that our country isn't solely about war? Do you realize that my generation (I'm 23) won't have social security, etc. because of Bush dipping into that fund? This whole issue just isn't about the way Vietnam Vets feel? It's all the issues that have doomed Bush's presidency! Isn't it odd that in the 2000 election the state of Florida is the state that had all the recounts, and his brother is the governor. The 3 highest democrat counties in Florida who were mostly black didn't have enough ballots! I know for sure that I am not the only one who noticed the oddity of that. Yes, it's old news. No, I am not saying that Gore could have done better. I voted for Gore, simply because he wasn't a Bush. All I want is a fair election, open-minds, and a little less left and right. In this next election if the same thing happens, it will prove a point made by many. But, I'm sure since swift vets have all the answers, I will always be wrong on this website.
To answer someone's reply...if I were president, I wouldn't just read what is placed before me. I wouldn't go to war with hopes that I could fix everything with my soldiers lost lives. I wouldn't tell myself that my efforts are working, because they aren't. The same thing will happen over and over again. Our gas prices are higher, everything is higher. If I were president, I wouldn't worry about who's hungry in 3rd world countries, or any other country. If we have over a 4 trillion dollar debt, where do we get off helping everyone else out? If I were president I would worry about my own country, instead of trifling in everyone else's affairs. I'm not saying totally ignore all the other countries, but my country would be top priority.
In FLORIDA ALONE...Almost 300,000 people have lost their health insurance due to Bush's actions. Poverty has increased by 257,000 people, 63,000 jobs were lost, The total family premium for health insurance has increased by $2,793 to $9,604. What are you missing? If this is just one state, can you imagine what the entire country's figures would look like? This election is not just about war. I am sorry if I made you feel that way. Who cares about gay marriage...does it really matter that much to you. I'm not gay, I think it's gross, but I mean, we all live in this world together don't we? Abortion is a choice that should be left alone. It shouldn't be banned, what if your daughter was raped by some psychopath? Would you want her to have that baby? Can you really tell me that the baby is by the grace of God? There are some people out there who truly need welfare, some abuse it, some don't. Keep in mind that Clinton tried to pass a bill stating that people on welfare couldn't possess a vehicle with a value of more that $4,200. It didn't pass. There are so many issues at hand other than war. You guys are the reason that no one liked Vietnam Vets to begin with. Your hearts are sour. You feel that the world owes you something. That was a fight my Dad battled with all his life, just to realize that it wasn't worth it. You live day to day and then you die. Why sit here and soak in the past. Marinade yourself for the future. My Dad saw creepy stuff over there that haunted him. I see things in my day to day life that haunt me. To be honest, people who are perpetuating the past make me sick. Get over yourselves. You did your good deed, who knows, maybe my Dad was right there next to you, but all that doesn't matter now. You can't change it, you can't go back, keep in mind there are no re-do's in life. Quit being so miserable. MOVE ON.
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America#1



Joined: 03 Sep 2004
Posts: 3
Location: Jacksonville, Florida
Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 9:20 am Post subject: About the contradictions of Kerry

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Everyone contradicts themselves once in a while. I am not saying it's the right thing to do. However, everyone's best friend Cheney contradicted himself as well, but I suppose you guys know that already. If you don't know what I am talking about, then you don't watch news or you can do your own research, since everyone seems to think that I don't do mine. Hint: it has something to do with 9-11.
My dad was a hero, not because of his military exploration, but because he was a good man and he still is somewhere.
Stevie: I can go anywhere I want, and post anything I want. As long as I abide by the rules of this site. I am. Are you so ignorant of a man to tell me that I have to be as old as you to understand my beliefs? Are you telling me that I am not educated enough to know about politics, or that I had to go through Vietnam in order to understand it? Are you saying I can't experience it vicariously through my dad, news, pictures, school, and so on? If you are then, you are saying that I couldn't understand the pain of the Holocaust since I wasn't there. Everywhere in the world there is always threats. No matter the country, place, time and so on. I don't like Bush because he's also a liar. Go back to the campaigning of 2000, listen to Bush's promises, then look at him now. I don't need to say anymore. So if you don't like Kerry because of his lies, then maybe you should edit your opinion of Bush, he's a liar as well, but you would already know that since you have experienced more presidents than me. Is it so bad that Kerry disagreed with his country's officials' decisions about Vietnam, NO, it's a free country isn't it? Let me tell you something, we have a state in America named Kentucky. They have a state motto on their flag, it states, " United We Stand, Divided We Fall" Does that mean anything to you Stevie, huh? You guys riding around towns all over America, with huge stickers of swift boats saying uncover Kerry's lies, is just as bad as your commercials on television. It makes you people look ridiculos. A man can't just get up there, run for president and say, hey guys I got a medal. All of this is stupid. You're telling me to grow up? Please.
JC Boston--I do my father no disservice, thank you.
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America#1, Like your Father I am a US Marine. I am not a Vietnam Veteran as I am too young but I look up to them and your Father as giants. I have however led many Marines in the combat of Somalia and recently Iraq. I can actually answer all your questions to your satisfaction and try to keep my cool because of who you say your Father was, although you don't deserve a polite answer because in your last post (your words below) in a very immature way that I am sure your Father would not approve of you insulted the bravest living generation of Americans (your Father's Brothers in arms) with verbal spit like that of the hippies who hurt him. I too have lost my Parents so I will be patient and try to answer all your concerns in detail but you must first appologize perfusley to the men and women who you just spit on and promise not to do it again no matter how frustrated you get. I do want to help you understand. It is 3:30 am here and I could not sleep after reading your post, I'll try again.

[CandiM]