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RMalloy · PO3 Joined: 23 Aug 2004 Posts: 280

Does anyone have a copy of the documentary made in 1972 by the
VVAW called the Winter Soldier? They filmed their exploits in 1971,
it was even released onto the market, I saw it on a movie review site.
Does anyone also have any information about Dewey Canyon III when
over fifty VVAW veterans went to the Pentagon on April 21st, the day after
Kerry's testimony, to turn themselves in for war atrocities? At least that's
what was written in Kerry's book, "The Last Soldier" where he had a timeline of the three days of activities planned by the VVAW. It didn't mention whether or not Kerry was one of those turning himself in.

voltaire · Seaman Recruit Joined: 26 Aug 2004 Posts: 8

Have seen the video offered on Ebay from time to time.

Becky · Seaman Joined: 24 Aug 2004 Posts: 179 Location: Georgia

Uisguex Jack · Rear Admiral Joined: 26 Jul 2004 Posts: 613

You really got me going with the mention of this film. I did a little looking about my suroundings here in land of digital ether and came up with quite allot.

First off the film can be bought. However not from Amazon dot com.
It can be bought from a radical film outlet found here:

http://www.canyoncinema.com/contents.html

Here is a link for the page with this particular film in it:

http://www.canyoncinema.com/S/SingleSpark.html

Ordering information:

http://www.canyoncinema.com/ordering.html

RMalloy · PO3 Joined: 23 Aug 2004 Posts: 280

Thanks, thanks so much, I am going to get a hold of the film. In the mean
time I still need info on the Dewey Canyon III in 1971. There were quite
a few activities the VVAW pulled, Kerry's "testimony", the medal toss,
plus a mention of fifty of the VVAW marching to the Pentagon to turn
themselves in for war crimes, I'd like to see if Kerry was one of those.
Anybody who has access to the newspaper archives - April 21, 1971
was the date of the that particular incident.

On the Winter Soldier "documentary" it to won awards at Cannes, same
as Moore's mockumentary accepted as verbatim by the easily swayed.
Even after all this time and proof that the "winter soldiers" were fakes
it is still be taught in schools as true.

Crispy Parcels · Seaman Recruit Joined: 30 Aug 2004 Posts: 1

I have some articles on the VVAW protests, I'll try to summarize the first one here:

1) The article is a little vague, but it sounds like 2,000 vets arrived at The Mall in D.C. on Sunday night, April 18, 1971. There was a court-order that forbade them from camping-out there, so they mostly milled-around Sunday night. Late on Monday (the 19th), another court-order was obtained from an appeals court that forbade them from erecting actual campsites, but allowed them to sleep there.

2) Early on either Monday or Tuesday (the article is ambiguous, but I think it was probably Monday), they marched on Arlington National Cemetary. The gates were locked, so they held a service there, led by Rev. Jackson H. Day, a former chaplain with the IV Infantry Division in Vietnam.

3) Mrs. Pat Simon of Brookline, Massachusetts, along with Mrs. Nancy Hodge, held two wreaths (which I guess they had been planning to lay somewhere in the cemetary). One wreath was "for the allied dead" and the other was for the Indochinese dead. Mrs. Simon was the mother of a slain GI, and Mrs. Hodge was a widow of a slain serviceman.

4) Officials from the cemetary said that they had given permission for the protestors to enter individually, just not as a big group. The VVAW people claimed they had been barred from entering at all. John Kerry's quote regarding the situation was as follows:

"Some of these men risked their lives to recover bodies in the field, and they couldn't lay a wreath for men they packed up in body bags and helped ship to that cemetary, men they fought beside."

5) After the cemetary event, the protesters, dressed in fatigues, marched past the Lincoln Memorial to the west front of the Capitol, where they held a rally. The article says that, "They asked Congress to legislate an end to the war, investigate war crimes and provide better help to returning veterans."

RMalloy · PO3 Joined: 23 Aug 2004 Posts: 280

Thanks for you help.

I have found a Chronological Order of Events of the Dewey Canyon III
which could be in the Kerry book, "The Last Soldier." Below is what they
have written, someone must have photos of that particular march about
WAR CRIMES and if Kerry was one of those fellows. Maybe the newspapers have it in their archives?
Again, thanks.!!

vickie · Seaman Apprentice Joined: 25 Aug 2004 Posts: 94

Will this help?

http://gal2p.com/vvflyer2.jpg

RMalloy · PO3 Joined: 23 Aug 2004 Posts: 280

Thanks so much. I think this flyer relates to a march to Valley Forge
where they first reenacted war atrocities then passed out the flyers.
One of the VVAW's wrote that some of the "vets" had their first flashbacks
and became overly rough attacking people. I don't know how many were
real vets, there seems be quite a few fakers, I bet it was the fakers who
got too rough. Kerry seems to be more of one of the organizers and
big wigs, when the men camped on the grounds of the Capital I have read
he spent the night at friend's apartments. Typical.

ontheright · Ensign Joined: 19 Aug 2004 Posts: 56 Location: Michigan

Here's a link to a listing on ebay for the video:

http://search.ebay.com/winter-soldier-video_W0QQsofocusZbsQQsbrftogZ1QQfromZR10QQsotrZ2QQsosortpropertyZ1QQsosortorderZ1

Beatrice1000 · Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 6:41 am Post subject:

bergstrom79 · Ensign Joined: 06 Aug 2004 Posts: 66

Speaking of the VVAW and Winter Soldier....Anyone seen these links yet?

The first link (scroll down half the page) has 4 doc's, 3 are FBI doc's. They pertain mainly to Kerry.

http://www.paperlessarchives.com/john_kerry.html

The 2nd link (scroll down half the page again) is mostly VVAW related with some Kerry mixed in.

http://www.paperlessarchives.com/vvaw.html

Click around that site, they even have a CIA doc in reference to a POW/ MIA sighting in 1986.(scroll to bottom)...Kerry has his fingerprints all over that scandal too. But that's another story.....

http://www.paperlessarchives.com/pow.html

Truegrit · Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 12:49 pm Post subject:

There are two films "Only the Beginning" and "Winter Soldier" available for purchase for about $60 at that radical Web site (URL available in this forum from other commentator).

Somewhere, there might even be a picture of Kerry standing closeby while one of these radical leftwingers torches an American flag. All archives should be checked. If there is a photo of Kerry smiling or shaking hands or even just standing by while a U.S. flag is being torched, that would be explosive!
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Ted Harwood, Ph.D.
Enlisted, U.S. Army ('57-'60)

Fort Campbell · Vice Admiral Joined: 31 Aug 2004 Posts: 896

RMalloy · PO3 Joined: 23 Aug 2004 Posts: 280

Thanks, great tips. If I can pinpoint him as one of the men who marched
to the Pentagon to turn themselves in for war crimes on April 21, 1971,
I believe this is the day after Kerry "testified." So far there seems to be
some evidence, he mentions that he did commit war crimes during an
interview, I think either with Cavett, or another show he did at the time.
I haven't read the "Last Soldier". If anyone has read it, did he mention in the book whether he did commit crimes and what they were? There has also been mention here on the post of film being obtained where it shows him burning down a Vietnamese hut. That could be some of the film he brought back from his "tour of duty". Remember he used some of it at his
Convention. Probably from the same time he threw a grenade into a rice hootch and blistered his butt with rice pillets. If Kerry were to be eventually investigated all of his film should be looked at. Various people
have written about going to his home and Kerry showing them the films.
And, by the way, who shot the film? One of his Band O Brudders?