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[EODARMY]

Dole, McCain, Rove, Hatch and now George H. Bush consider Kerry's post Vietnam actions to be legitimate. Let the debates begin! The Dick Morris article below points to the deadly divide on issues that Kerry can't help but lose Dem voters like the war on terror, Iraq, and the role of our allies. Look out; add to that Kerry's actions following his return from Vietnam! He will be forced to answer for his post-Vietnam actions in the debates. Dick Morris states:

"The Republicans are skillfully exploiting this weakness in their opponent. At the outset of the campaign, they are making much of Kerry's inconsistent positions on issues and undermining his credibility by attacking his war record."

"At the convention, the GOP is hammering home these issues to set them up for use down the road. Then, in the debates, Bush will close in for the kill, making Kerry fish or cut bait on these pivotal questions, always being prepared to say, "There you go again" if he waffles."

George W. Bush to John Kerry at the first debate: "Will you tonight apologize for your conduct once you returned from Vietnam. Your exaggerated testimony before the US Senate; the blanket indictment of your fellow veterans; throwing away medals and ribbons; all of these actions dishonored America and the armed forces? Your rhetoric and actions were not only wrong, they aided the enemy and brought great pain to POW's, veterans and their families." If he waffles-----Bush says; "There you go again". Below is the Dick Morris article:
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DEMS' DEADLY DIVIDE

BY DICK MORRIS
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September 2, 2004 -- LAST night, Dick Che ney said that "Amer ica sees two John Kerry's" and that Kerry's "liveliest disagreement" is with himself. But that's not Kerry's biggest problem. His real conundrum is that his voters disagree with one another on almost every major foreign-policy and terrorism issue. So, no matter what Kerry says, he will alienate a goodly portion of his voters.
This handicap is likely to loom larger and larger as the election moves into its debating phase. But, for now, the Republicans are doing a good job of throwing curveballs that force Kerry to choose between his voting blocks — antagonizing some and invigorating others, bleeding support the whole way.

In an incredibly striking contrast, Bush voters are united on virtually all the questions that divide the Kerry vote. So Bush can advance his agenda with impunity while taking aim at Kerry voters who are antagonized by their candidate whenever he has to choose a position.

From the excellent polling and brilliant analysis of Scott Rasmussen, who takes daily tracking polls, comes evidence of Democratic division and Republican unity.

One example: Rasmussen asked if Iraq was a part of the War on Terror or a distraction from it. Republicans overwhelmingly said it was integral — by 79-14. But Democrats were divided. Half said it is a distraction — but 36 percent felt it was a key part of the war effort.

So what is Kerry to say? Either way, he loses votes. And if he waffles, he strengthens his reputation for flip-flopping.

Should we give a priority to finishing the mission in Iraq or to bringing the troops home? Republicans say "stay the course," 71-23. Democrats divide: 54 percent say "come home"; 37 percent want us to finish the mission.



Who is winning the War on Terror? Republicans say we are, 77-10. Democrats divide almost equally, with 33 percent saying America is winning and 42 percent saying the terrorists are gaining the upper hand.

So how is Kerry to characterize the war? Say it's a success — and alienate 42 percent of his vote — or call it a failure — and drive away 33 percent?

Republicans are sure, by 67-12, that if we'd left Saddam in power, life in America would be more dangerous. Democrats again divide, with 20 percent saying life is safer because he is out, and 34 percent saying it's not.

Should the United States follow the lead of its allies more than we do now? Republicans say "No," 72-5; 44 percent of the Democrats say "Yes," and 19 percent say "No."

So, on each of these issues, whenever Kerry opens his mouth, he loses.

The Republicans are skillfully exploiting this weakness in their opponent. At the outset of the campaign, they are making much of Kerry's inconsistent positions on issues and undermining his credibility by attacking his war record.

At the convention, the GOP is hammering home these issues to set them up for use down the road. Then, in the debates, Bush will close in for the kill, making Kerry fish or cut bait on these pivotal questions, always being prepared to say, "There you go again" if he waffles.

[Michmaddave]

I hope I don't offend any truely patriotic Viet Nam Vets, but I still don't see how four and a half months in Viet Nam on a Swift, only infrequent firefights and pulling a buddy out of the water is such a big deal. How does he get all his political insight he claims from this experience compared to someone who pulled a whole tour, or more? It doesn't come close to compare to the Marines at Wake Island (the 'pacific alamo') or the Army in the Phillipeans and the Battan Death March, where recreational beheadings of Americans were common, .....how does his bandaids compare to the history of these medals??? Maybe they were given out too easily in the 1960's, however in the process the meaning of the reward is lost, and exploited by opportunists like Kerry. The Navy may be at fault there, but more important is the exploitation of those who want to use such as qualification to the Presidency. It is a legitimate issue today! He also betrayed his fellow dying Americans in 1971, and he did weaken our country the following two decades!!!!!
He is a pampered, candya$$ed, elitist, situation exploitating snob who wants to tell you how to live your life, who doesn't even have the spine to stick to one belief. I highly suspect he did anything 'heroic' at all, ever!!
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To model our political system upon speculations of lasting tranquility, is to calculate on the weaker springs of the human character.
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"He who dares not offend cannot be honest." - Thomas Paine

[Dimsdale]

This just demonstrates the elegance of the SBVT, and in particlular, John O'Neill's unfolding plan: show that even Kerry's supposedly legitimate claims (medals, heroism etc.) are suspect, and in many cases, proveably wrong, then lead right into Kerry's post war actions, where his claims of "war crimes" and "atrocities" are immediately questioned. Kerry aids this himself with his suspicious refusal to release his full military records, especially after demanding that Bush do so, painting himself as a hypocrite as well as a liar.

Kerry will be forced to talk about (which he doesn't want to do) and back up his 1971 assertions, which he cannot do. Testimony from soldiers and POWs, relating how Kerry's false testimony caused more soldiers to die, and American POWs to languish for years longer in prison than they should have had to. Testimony or admissions from the communist Vietnamese themselves (General Giap), showing that the actions of Kerry prolonged the war, by giving the VC the (correct) impression that internal US criticism of the war would make us cave in, and in fact eventually led to our retreat.

Then the commercials can easily demonstrate that this is the same thing bin Laden thougt: that America would back off if hit hard enough. That idea was started with Kerry, and perpetuated by the likes of Carter and Clinton. Thankfully, men like Reagan and the Bushes weren't cowed by terrorists, and struck back. Kerry will not do this. The "Navy Dove" will attempt to "negotiate" America back into a position of weakness, subject to the whims of the third world countries controlling the UN.

And the best thing of all: nobody, other than McAuliffe, is or will complain about that. Not McCain or any other veteran that might think that the award of medals is sancrosanct, despite being awarded on faulty information.

Lots and lots of good commercial potential!!!
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Everytime he had a choice, Kerry chose to side with communists rather than the United States.

[buffman]

Buddy, you said a mouthful...amen!
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Never Ever Give Up
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[Tom Poole]

If 4 months in-country qualifies Flipper John to be CIC, what about all the full tour, 2-tour, 3-tour, etc., veterans who returned to earn advanced degrees and work for their keep? Do they all qualify? I respect all of them but I don't think so. Certainly, Flipper's credentials don't qualify him for any job in this country. Perhaps he could be out-sourced to fill catsup bottles somewhere.
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[EODARMY]

Add GEN. Tommy Franks who says that Post-Vietnam is a legitimate issue. He was just on PBS.

Add Bill Bennett who just said on Fox that 1971 will be Kerry's undoing as it is a legitimate issue!

The dam is breaking on the legitimacy of the Kerry post-Vietnam conduct!

[Michmaddave]

I get the feeling that the dyke(or is it spelled Dike?) is breaking and it just may collapse as fast as the Berlin Wall soon! The MSM will be wandering the streets, holding their heads in shame and confusion wondering what to think since they aren't told what to think from their fax machines. My more cautious side says that 'it ain't over until it's over' !!!!
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To model our political system upon speculations of lasting tranquility, is to calculate on the weaker springs of the human character.
---Alexander Hamilton
"He who dares not offend cannot be honest." - Thomas Paine

[Steve Z]

I noticed that Bush made a special effort to pay homage to our troops in Iraq during his convention speech.

Although Bush didn't serve in Vietnam, the SBVT could contrast Bush's supportive attitude to Kerry's trashing of the troops as soon as HE got out of Vietnam!
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The traitor will crater!

[curtis]

I think that people that think Kerry is going to give up or that his campaign is going to lose all its support are sorely underestimating the ability of the "ABB" crowd to ignore the truth. The simple fact that Kerry is not Bush is all they need to support this complete phony of a man regardless of the skeletons in his closet. And Kerry has based his whole life on this goal, he's not going to face the reality that he abandoned his fellow soldiers, then slandered them in front of the world, then betrayed them by meeting with the communist enemy. He also isn't going to admit he has been wrong on defense and intelligence issues for the past 19 years.

My point is, the democrats hate Bush too much to quit and John Kerry's ego and self-centeredness forbid him from stopping with the presidency in sight. This race will come down to an election, and every one who knows who Kerry is and what he has done needs to get out there and vote.

Curtis

[LewWaters]

Curtis, hardcore supporters of Kerry or ABB aren't going to change their minds. Our efforts are directed at those undecideds or the ones who are sincerely interested in the truth.

Before the Swift vets ads broke, Kerry had a slight edge in veterans support. Since then, he has dropped almost 20 points in veteran support and continues to drop.
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