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rb325th · Admiral Joined: 21 Aug 2004 Posts: 1334

Actually President Bush had something like 600 hours of flight time. In any case this is on its way to Geedunk.
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ASPB · Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 1:41 am Post subject:

Kerry = Aprox 36 missions in Vietnam @ 10 hours 360 hours in potential combat.

Bush = 375 hours in the "Widowmaker" aka "lawn dart"

You decide who was at more risk!
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NortonPete · PO2 Joined: 13 Aug 2004 Posts: 385

Mr "Deer in the headlights" McAuliffe.

He's only sexy to Estrich whose looking for cheap Canadian Viagra.

cipher · Vice Admiral Joined: 10 Aug 2004 Posts: 902

Okay. Someone remind me exactly WHICH boat McAuliffe was in? Or which fighter squadron he flew with?

Actually, just his branch of service would be enough. Just so I know he's qualified to pass judgement on those who DID serve.
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TEWSPilot · Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 1:52 am Post subject: A little perspective

Neither John Kerry nor GW Bush nor I, for that matter, had any say in whether we would be assigned duty in Vietnam unless we volunteered. Some of us did volunteer. Of course one could petition to spend a year in Paris studying French as John Forbes Kerry did, being rich and a prodigy of John F. Kennedy. If one received 3 Purple Hearts, he could ask to come home, even after just 3 or 4 months, and even if the wounds didn't cost him any downtime, as John Kerry did. The only ways to guarantee we would not be assigned to Vietnam would be to desert or dodge the draft, like Bill Clinton and many of the "Vietnam Veterans Against the War", or petition for status change to "Conscientious Objector" prior to receiving orders, or obtain an educational or family deferment, as millions of Americans did. During my 12 month tour (actually 366 days), more than half the pilots with whom I flew my 100+ missions in Vietnam were Reservists, like me, and Air Guardsmen. John Kerry equated Guardsmen with draft dodgers. The majority of members of the Guard and Reserves are former Active Duty military. I often wondered how many names on the Vietnam Memorial Wall are of National Guardsmen and Reservists. One hundred and forty Medal of Honor recipients were in the National Guard. Six thousand seventy-seven members of the National Guard or Reserves died in Vietnam.

Prior to assignment to Vietnam, I flew missions throughout the USA and Canada in support of Air Guard units. Who knows, I may even have visited with GW Bush in the Day Room on one of my trips to the Alabama or Texas Guard units. I can't even remember who the Squadron Commander was, so please don't expect me to name everyone I ever served with. Their courage, professionalism, skill, and deportment were second to none. I wonder if the "Happy Hooligans" are still flying these days. The next time you fly on a commercial flight, chances are a Reservist or Guardsman will be at the controls. Being a wounded, decorated hero is not a license to return to the safety and comfort of the United States and promote the enemy's propaganda while your buddies are still on the battlefield or in the enemy's POW dungeons. Benedict Arnold was also a wounded "war hero" before he changed sides and gave aid and comfort to the enemy.

Neither GW Bush nor John Kerry is the same "young, impetuous, immature" man he was 30 odd years ago. At least GW Bush grew up.
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rb325th · Admiral Joined: 21 Aug 2004 Posts: 1334

When I was younger and Jumping from those "Perfectly Good" Airforce C-130s and 141s, most of the Pilots and Crews were Guardsman. When A-10s overflew our Drop Zones they were piloted by mostly Guardsman (the regular Air Force didn't like the Thunderbolt, it wasn't pretty enough).
When I served in the National Guard myself I served with some of the finest men I have ever met. Sure things were "different then" when I Served than during Vietnam, we only went into Battle once while I was on my first stint of Active Duty. I imagine that many of the Pilots who dropped the Rangers into Grenada were Guardsman. We only went to War a couple of times during my Guard years, I imagine the same was true in the night sky over Panama as the Rangers, the 504th and the 4/325 Jumped in and thousands more were flown in to the battle. I can not even begin to tell the number who went to the Mid-East, Haitti, Balkans, etc etc. etc...
I do know for a fact that Guardsman fought on the ground and in the air in Vietnam, I know that some were killed and wounded as well. I know that the attacks on President Bush and his Guard Service as a "way out of Vietnam" sells short the Duty of thousands of Guardsman who Served their Communities, States and their Nation then with Honor and Integrity.
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Chukkal · Ensign Joined: 01 Sep 2004 Posts: 69

HOV1 · Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 6:22 am Post subject:

James Carville hasn't impressed me since he appeared as the kid playing the banjo in the beginning of "Deliverance" Laughing

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Mooncusser · Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 2:16 pm Post subject:

Very good Hov1.

Kerry reminds me of the fire marshal(jim carey), when he turns the scowl on.

He is like a Jeckyl and Hide.
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buffman · LCDR Joined: 21 Aug 2004 Posts: 437

Carville looks like an evil teletubby....McAuliiffe looks (and acts) like Eddie Haskell, Estrich looks like the witch in Little Mermaid and Michael Moore is the Blob.
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Mooncusser · Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 2:59 pm Post subject:

Buffman..you are wrong.

Micheal Moore is Jabba the Hut.
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buffman · LCDR Joined: 21 Aug 2004 Posts: 437

Danged mooncusser, let that one slip through my retired old mind, ha, you got it right!
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wshhml · Ensign Joined: 25 May 2004 Posts: 52

Terry McAuliffe is very close friends with Bill Clinton and was actually selected by Clinton to lead the Democrat party. I find it ironic that McAuliffe and the party that idolizes Clinton is going to demean Bush's service.

rb325th · Admiral Joined: 21 Aug 2004 Posts: 1334

McAuliffe, the Democratic National Committee (news - web sites) chairman, told reporters in a conference call that new records have "made the issue of the president's service, or lack thereof, completely fair game."

Wonder what he has to say today in light of those documents being outed as forgeries? Let's see the DNC Head points reporters to a 527 Group running an Ad questioning the Bush Service Record. Then the DNC points to "documents" that will prove bush was AWOL, where di he find out about this? Did he have a call from 60 Minutes or did he make a call to 60 Minutes? Maybe he just sent Barnes to make the call.
No matter how you look at it, you have improper action between McCauliffe and a 527, and some reason to believe that McCauliffe had access to the "documents" in 60 Minutes story (wich just gives the air of imprpreity between them).
Looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck.
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