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rjas77
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 11:04 pm    Post subject: Question Regarding a Bush medal Reply with quote




Here's the left response:LATEST: White House says they’re “short-staffed,” promises to return call

One Air Force office confirms story, but Air Force public affairs office pleads ignorance, gives out White House comment line

By John Byrne | Raw Story Editor

A closer examination of a photograph included in President George W. Bush’s Air Force records, released by the White House earlier this year, shows then-Second Lieutenant Bush wearing an Air Force Outstanding Unit Award which he never earned.

Additionally, Lieutenant Bush would not have been authorized to wear the ribbon temporarily, the Air Force Personnel Center said in an email.

“There isn’t a ‘temporary’ wear of AF Outstanding Unit Awards for AF personnel,” the Air Force Personnel Center stated.

“I’ve never heard of temporary wear,” added Assistant Reagan Defense Secretary for Manpower, Reserve Affairs, Installations and Logistics Lawrence J. Korb, whose job included overseeing the Air Force Reserves from 1981-1985, in a telephone interview Wednesday. “The unit didn’t get this until 1975.”

The Air Force Public Affairs office tried to answer an inquiry, but went silent and said they just didn’t have enough information to answer after they heard the query was on President Bush. They deferred comment to the White House, and supplied the White House comment phone line.

RAW STORY reached the White House Press Office through the main switchboard, and a spokeswoman said they would look into it and return the call as soon as possible.

“We’re very short staffed this week,” she said, referring to the Republican National Convention.

The London-based newspaper The Telegraph sought comment on the issue Sunday but received no response.

The Air Force Historical Research Service Organization confirmed that the 147th Fighter Intercept Group and the 111th Fighter Intercept Squadron received an Air Force Outstanding Unit Award for the time period of 1965-1966, two years before Bush joined the service.

The Air Force also said both units received the Outstanding Unit Award in 1975. Bush was discharged from his Texas Guard unit on Oct. 1, 1973.

Between these dates, the Air Force said Wednesday, there are “no additional awards.”

More importantly, however, the above photograph had to have been taken some time between his qualifying as a pilot–since he is wearing his pilots’ wings–on November 26, 1969 and his promotion to First Lieutenant on November 7, 1970, since he is listed as a Second Lieutenant (see photograph below).

Bush earned his pilots’ wings on Nov. 29, 1969, according to his White House military biography.

His biography does not list that he was awarded the Air Force Oustanding Unit Award.

American media, having focused for more than three weeks on Swift Boat veterans’ attacks on Sen. John Kerry’s Vietnam service, has yet to report the story. It has, however, appeared in the The Telegraph, which carried a brief piece on the charges Aug. 29.

Walt Starr, a researcher, first reported the story in the popular liberal forum, **, on Aug. 23.

Punishment for wearing an award one hasn’t earned is punishable by bad-conduct discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and/or confinement for 6 months under the Uniform Code of Military Justice



I have taken the position that Airmen can wear that ribbon if their unit was given the citation while they served in it, and you can continue wearing it after you have left the unit. It's similar to, say, an Olympic medal for a team event in that way, in that people who are part of the team at the time get the award and keep it.

How can I find out if the ANG unit Bush served in either in Texas or Alabama was awarded this Outstanding Unit sevice award?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 11:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Question Regarding a Bush medal Reply with quote

rjas77 wrote:
“There isn’t a ‘temporary’ wear of AF Outstanding Unit Awards for AF personnel,” the Air Force Personnel Center stated.


During my 30 year Air Force career ('64-'94) you WERE allowed to wear an AFOSU decoration if you were serving with a unit that had been awarded one. PERIOD!

Somebody is blowing-smoke....


By the way, when an officer goes in for an official portrait the FIRST THING they do is verify the correct ribbons are being worn. I had many such portraits taken during my career.


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rjas77
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 11:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Question Regarding a Bush medal Reply with quote

air_vet wrote:
rjas77 wrote:
“There isn’t a ‘temporary’ wear of AF Outstanding Unit Awards for AF personnel,” the Air Force Personnel Center stated.


During my 30 year Air Force career ('64-'94) you WERE allowed to wear an AFOSU decoration if you were serving with a unit that had been awarded one. PERIOD!

Somebody is blowing-smoke....


I'm doubting you, but is there any way of verifying that?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Admin note: This forum is for discussing John Kerry's fitness to command. Discussions may at times need comparison to George Bush, but he is not the main subject here.

Please keep posts on the topic.

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