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ASPB
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BrianC
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| I'm not fonda Hanoi John. |
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BrianC
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| It's been said that Kerry is narrowing down his choice for VP... is there any truth to the story that Osama bin Laden won't return Kerry's calls, and that he's now looking elsewhere for a running mate? |
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sparky
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| More of that fascist "if you criticize our party, you're an enemy of the nation." |
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95 bxl
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| sparky wrote: | | More of that fascist "if you criticize our party, you're an enemy of the nation." |
Poor Hanoi John... he caint hep it... he was just born a treasonous bastard. |
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Bhist
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Exactly!!
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Scott
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| 95 bxl wrote: | | Poor Hanoi John... he caint hep it... he was just born a treasonous bastard. |
With all due respect, I think he made a choice based on his political aspirations, and is now trying to spin it into something completely different because of the current political climate.
That's worse, in my opinion, than anything he might have been born with. And the choices that he has made, apparently for personal, political advantage are exactly what have prevented me from ever voting for him.
But that's just my opinion; I could be wrong.
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War Dog
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John F. Kerry's basic problem was that he was born rich with that silver spoon in his mouth. He's always been a snob that believed that he was so much more above everybody else. He believes, like most born of the rich, that his intelligence is higher than anyone else, and of course all the little people in this nation are stupid, and here to pay homage to him. He's never had to work for a damn thing in his life, never had to want for anything, never had to worry about paying the bills, and the other worries that the rest of us have to deal with on a daily basis.
That was the beginning of his problems, and you are right, he has made the choices he has made in life for two reasons, one what can benefit John F. Kerry politically, and two, what can benefit John F. Kerry! He cares not for anyone else, he's a liar, a giglo, a user, a traitor, a socialist, maybe a communist, and so on!
Woof!
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ASPB
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| sparky wrote: | | More of that fascist "if you criticize our party, you're an enemy of the nation." |
Sparky,
Please try to understand that most of us here are partisan and conservative, we weren't always that way. Before the age of 25, in 1972 I was a Truman/Kennedy Democrat. When the party moved closer to the communist/socialist left in the late 60's it left me and people like Ronald Reagan behind.
Just remember when you use the term "fascist" you're talking about regimes that sold themselves to their electorates as national/socialist movements. Germany, Italy, even the the Soviet Union, the greatest fascist regime in world history.
Here's the definition:
| Quote: | Main Entry: fas·cism Pronunciation Guide
Pronunciation: fa]shizm, faa], fai] also ]si- sometimes fä] or f]
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): -s
Etymology: Italian fascismo, from fascio bundle, political group + -ismo -ism
1 often capitalized : the principles of the Fascisti; also : the movement or governmental regime embodying their principles
2 a : any program for setting up a centralized autocratic national regime with severely nationalistic policies, exercising regimentation of industry, commerce, and finance, rigid censorship, and forcible suppression of opposition b : any tendency toward or actual exercise of severe autocratic or dictatorial control (as over others within an organization) <the nascent fascism of a detective who is not content merely to do his duty -- George Nobbe> <early instances of army fascism and brutality -- J.W.Aldridge> <a kind of personal fascism, a dictatorship of the ego over the more generous elements of the soul -- Edmond Taylor> |
To me at least, this definition of centralized national control is at the heart of the progressive and liberal movements in the USA. It's the same ploy that Hitler and Lenin used to establish totalitarian control.
The old axiom is: "Buyer Beware" or even better "Beware of False Prophets"
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War Dog
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I was a Democrat, and considered myself a liberal until 1997 when my eyes were opened by the activities of the liberals and Democrats defending former President Clinton. That is when I saw the truth of what I thought was a good party, but in reality was rapidly going bad. It's just went downhill since then, and each day the Democrats and Liberals over all just get worse and further into the gutter with their lies, false accusations, name calling, attack politics, slanderous behavior, etc...
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fortdixlover
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| sparky wrote: | | More of that fascist "if you criticize our party, you're an enemy of the nation." |
Methinks it's more "If you call the U.S. military war criminals, you're the enemy of the former veterans for life." |
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fortdixlover
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| ASPB wrote: | | sparky wrote: | | More of that fascist "if you criticize our party, you're an enemy of the nation." |
Sparky,
Please try to understand that most of us here are partisan and conservative, we weren't always that way. Before the age of 25, in 1972 I was a Truman/Kennedy Democrat. When the party moved closer to the communist/socialist left in the late 60's it left me and people like Ronald Reagan behind.
Just remember when you use the term "fascist" you're talking about regimes that sold themselves to their electorates as national/socialist movements. Germany, Italy, even the the Soviet Union, the greatest fascist regime in world history.
Here's the definition:
| Quote: | Main Entry: fas·cism Pronunciation Guide
Pronunciation: fa]shizm, faa], fai] also ]si- sometimes fä] or f]
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): -s
Etymology: Italian fascismo, from fascio bundle, political group + -ismo -ism
1 often capitalized : the principles of the Fascisti; also : the movement or governmental regime embodying their principles
2 a : any program for setting up a centralized autocratic national regime with severely nationalistic policies, exercising regimentation of industry, commerce, and finance, rigid censorship, and forcible suppression of opposition b : any tendency toward or actual exercise of severe autocratic or dictatorial control (as over others within an organization) <the nascent fascism of a detective who is not content merely to do his duty -- George Nobbe> <early instances of army fascism and brutality -- J.W.Aldridge> <a kind of personal fascism, a dictatorship of the ego over the more generous elements of the soul -- Edmond Taylor> |
To me at least, this definition of centralized national control is at the heart of the progressive and liberal movements in the USA. It's the same ploy that Hitler and Lenin used to establish totalitarian control.
The old axiom is: "Buyer Beware" or even better "Beware of False Prophets" |
A brilliant commentary.
One addition: "neoconservatives" are really those who were repelled by the Democratic party's abandonment of American traditions.
One other connection between today's "progressives" and yesterday's fascists is a return to fashionable antisemitism (judenhass for those disposed to word games on semites).
FDL
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publius
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| Quote: | | To me at least, this definition of centralized national control is at the heart of the progressive and liberal movements in the USA. |
You are mistaken. Liberals are the only dependable defenders of individual rights as broadly brushed in the Declaration and vouchsafed in the Bill of Rights. Conservatives are much more likely to tout states rights and will of the majority in limiting individual rights.
The underlying unifying principle of the Constitution is that the citizens possess all legitimate rights and that government must keep its nose out of the peoples' business except to keep one citizen from treading on the equal rights of another. (After that it merely gives us an army and the institutions of a civil society.)
Liberals are the torchbearers of that philosophy, conservatives its opponents. That is a major reason I support John Kerry. As a liberal he loves individual freedom.
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publius
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| ASPB wrote: | | To me at least, this definition of centralized national control is at the heart of the progressive and liberal movements in the USA. It's the same ploy that Hitler and Lenin used to establish totalitarian control. |
No, that's bad history. Hitler's major appeal was for German nationalism and that the miserable state of Germany was all the fault of Jews and foreign conspirators holding them back from achieveing their true and owed glory
Lenin's appeal was to the vast poor of Russia in their millions for turning their governance upside down since even by 1917 they were still serfs starving in hovels and under the heel of the Czar.
That both these lying murderers, one from the right, one from the left, used many of the same oppressive techniques to subjugate the politically inconvenient is simply proof that when you get to the extremes there's hardly a dime's worth of difference.
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