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rbshirley
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 Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 4:28 pm Post subject: John Kerry's Contribution to Winning the Peace? (2nd Post) |
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And as for burying the vestiges of western culture, well,
you should see them now -- nothing BUT western culture!
I guess ole' Nikki {sic Khrushev}, would be turning over in his grave.
I suppose Ho{sic Chi Minh} would be too, if he was, well, in it.
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That is a hopeful sign: We may yet be considered by history to have
"won the peace" in South East Asia as part of the victory over "the
evil empire" in the cold war. This despite the best efforts of Kerry, his
actress & North Vietnamese mentors, and the other politicians in the
60's and 70's that tried to make us feel ashamed of being Americans
The following is a repeat of an excerpt of a previous post, an article printed
in the Minneapolis-St Paul Tribune this past February by David Pence. He
spent a year in jail as a result of his opposition to the SEA war and refusual
to sign up for the draft. His words carry more weight and with much greater
eloquence than I could ever hope to muster
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"Antiwar activists who got it wrong"
Excerpts from David Pence's article
In 1972, a few years after John Kerry was in Vietnam, I was in federal prison
for draft resistance. Draft resisters were glad to have Kerry "on our side."
Most vets hated us. My dad, a World War II Marine, did not speak to me for
seven years after I refused military service. He saw draft resisters as cowards
and traitors. One of his wartime buddies said, "Take your son to Chicago, strip
him naked, and see if he comes back a pacifist." Draft resisters cheered when
Muhammad Ali refused induction. Certainly he was no coward. We cheered
louder when Kerry testified against the war. Certainly he was no traitor.
But even as an activist, I was shocked at Kerry's characterization of American
atrocities in Vietnam as commonplace. The image of the American solider
as "babykiller" was being born. In a foreign country, our men were shot for
the uniform they wore. In their own country they could not wear it for shame.
For other men, flag-draped boxes sealed them from such insults. After
Kerry's testimony, he faced no such shame. To the McGovern Democrats,
he became a hero. He was headed to elected office as the solider who
hated the war. He had a receptive audience in Massachusetts for his
stories of atrocities by soldiers and criminality by the government.
By 1972 if a man would go to jail or a returning solider would repudiate
the war, he was assured an influential community of support and adulation.
For the men who returned from military duty, there was no such honor.
Their shame came not from guilt about their actions as soldiers but from
propaganda of the antiwar movement.
The war against the Soviet Union was the great moral struggle of the
post-WWII generation. Leaving Vietnam did not end the fight against
communism but changed the battlefield to Catholic Poland and Muslim
Afghanistan. The left's complaint was not about Vietnam as a particular
battlefield but the Cold War as a worthy enterprise. Kerry described the
Cold War as "the mystical war against communism" in his infamous Senate
testimony (April 1971). It turns out that communism was not so mystical
-- not in the killing fields of Cambodia or the captive nations of Eastern
Europe or the Islamic southern rim of the Soviet Union.
I am ashamed of my role in those not-so-glorious '60s. I honor John Kerry
the solider. But in this time of war, we must repudiate his disgraceful
depiction of the American solider in Vietnam, his mistaken understanding
of the Cold War, and his equivocation in our present war.
For those tempted to use a soldier's story to advance their worldview ....,
take pause. We were wrong then; you don't have to be wrong now.
David Pence was sentenced to a year and a day in 1972 for draft resistance
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To read how the North Vietnamese Communist government continues, even
to this day, to provide "an influential community of support and adulation" for
John Kerry and his coordinated activities in the 1970's, visit this web page:
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http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=20040604194804799
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A display of John Kerry in what was formerly called the "War Crimes Museum" in Ho Chi Minh City.
Showing him being honored by the Chairman of the Vietnamese Communist party for his support
in the early part of the 1970's of their political campaign to defeat the US. {May 28/June 2, 2004}
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Excerpt from John Kerry's 1971 Congressional Testimony
I have been to Paris. I have talked with both delegations at the peace talks,
that is to say the Democratic Republic of Vietnam and also the Provisional
Revolutionary Government .... and of all eight of Madam Binh's points it
has been stated time and time again, and was stated by Senator Vance
Hartke when he returned from Paris, and it has been stated by many
other officials of their Government, if the United States were to set a date
for withdrawal the prisoners of war would be returned.
The number two man at the Saigon talks to Ambassador Lam was asked by the
Concerned Laymen, who visited with them in Paris last month, how long they felt
they could survive if the United States would pull out and his answer was 1 week.
So I think clearly we do have to face this question. But I think, having done what
we have done to that country, we have an obligation to offer sanctuary to the
perhaps 2,000, 3,000 people who might face, and obviously they would, we
understand that, might face political assassination or something else. But my
feeling is that those 3,000 may have to leave that country
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rbshirley
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| Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2004 12:48 am Post subject: Re: John Kerry's Contribution to Winning the Peace? (2nd Pos |
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To Bill ......
I copied all of the photos you took at the museum, posted them with your
notes on a board and stood near the The Vietnam Veteran's Wall in DC
for all of the passersby to read. I plan on doing that every weekend and
some weekdays through the election.
Thanks for everything and I hope you get home safely and soon.
Tony Snesko, BM2
Swift Boat Sailor, PCF #58,
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DevilDon
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Location: Milwaukee
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| I have goose pimples. That is really, really great. One way or another, get the message out. I love the young people reading, wonder what's going through their mind. One can hope. |
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NoDonkey
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Joined: 02 Jun 2004
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Location: Arlington, VA
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| Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2004 6:54 pm Post subject: Re: John Kerry's Contribution to Winning the Peace? (2nd Pos |
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This from the political report (subscription only, can't link unfortunately):
>>Vietnamese Americans Feel Unliberated by Kerry
John Kerry never tires of reminding voters of his military service in Vietnam. So the New York Sun sent reporter Josh Gerstein to Garden Grove, Calif. -- a small city with a large Vietnamese American population that recently declared itself a "no communist zone" -- to see how those who escaped communist oppression feel about the Democrat. It turns out Garden Grovers don't take a nuanced view of Mr. Kerry's antiwar activities.
"Vietnamese don't like Kerry because he played with the communists," Larry Khuu, whose father died in a North Vietnamese prison, told the Sun. In addition to protesting the Vietnam War in the 1970s, Mr. Kerry is seen as the chief obstacle to passing the Vietnam Human Rights Act, which would block any new non-humanitarian assistance to the Hanoi regime. The bill has twice passed the House overwhelmingly, only to be killed in the Senate by Mr. Kerry.<<
How much aid and comfort is John Kerry getting from the Vietnamese Communists?
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