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Marine's Wife · PO3 Joined: 10 May 2004 Posts: 267

beheaded a Jewish American. Do any of you think if we boycott their sponsors it would shut them up?
They said they were taking revenge for the "prison abuse."Score one for OL' Dan Blather,and all the rest of the LIBS.!

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waltjones · Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 9:56 pm Post subject:

Let's face it: the terrorists know how to manipulate our media, and they're doing a good job of it. As John Moore (and Lenin) would put it, they're Useful Idiots. They refuse to ask themselves one very simple question: who would Al Qaida rather see elected, Bush or Kerry?

Semper Fi!
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Marine's Wife · PO3 Joined: 10 May 2004 Posts: 267

I'm not agreeing with them. But when they keep on,and on, including the Libs in Washington,they use it as an excuse. It still won't shut the Ba-----s up!I think every one of them should be tried for treason.They would gladly lose the war on terrorism just to elect John Kerry! THE TRAITOR HIMSELF!

Marine's Wife · PO3 Joined: 10 May 2004 Posts: 267

BTW, I need your help at "voices". Smile

mikest · PO2 Joined: 11 May 2004 Posts: 377

First off, those animals don't need an excuse for beheading innocent people. But the larger point is the administrations approval of torture. Look at the memo's that have come out. Not only were they looking for ways to allow it, they were tearing up the constitution to do it. The President does not have absolute supremacy over congress. And if you think he does, ask yourself if you want Kerry to have the same power should he be elected.

Or if you really want to take it to the extreme, If Hillary were to someday be president, she would have the same supremacy over congress.

Marine4life · Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2004 1:31 am Post subject:

Tearing up the Constitution, wow now that is theory, I want to see facts. Where does it refer to terrorists in our Constitution? While attacking Bush I assume you meant the Geneva Convention. deleted by Moderator - stop attacks on each other! I suggest that you go to www.us.gov and read the US Constitution and somewhere in there it will become clear that it protects American citizen's not foreign terrorist's. Approval of torture yea right, at least use the proper terminology, interogation techniques. Inuendo after inuendo now that's the basis for debate.

FDL thanks for listing those cases, there are many more but most happened on Clinton's watch. Semper Fi.
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mikest · PO2 Joined: 11 May 2004 Posts: 377

deleted by Moderator - stop the attacks on each other!

Guess what. Because the Geneva conventions have been ratified by us, they are law. But that wasn't my point. Here is an article for you. I've highlighted some spots so even you can understand it. There is even a fellow Marine commenting in it. deleted by Moderator - stay on topic! And I am sure that if Kerry is elected you will still believe that Congress has no authority over what he does.

Me#1You#10 · Site Admin Joined: 06 May 2004 Posts: 6503

Moderator note: Either eliminate the personal invective or the thread will be locked. This applies to both parties currently engaged.

Thank you

Marine4life · Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2004 4:33 am Post subject:

Simply put, the powers of the CIC in a time of war does not have anything to do with the Constitution as it pertains to us. The Constitution protects Americans and directs the Government of the appropriate procedures for running the country. The CIC has inherant powers in a time of war that gives him the ability to process the war. Other than that I want to see the part of the Constitution that he is tearing up.

Sorry ME#1you#2, I just can't let this inuendo go unchecked. I have avoided this poster for awhile but will refrain from letting it get personal. Semper Fi.
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Marine's Wife · PO3 Joined: 10 May 2004 Posts: 267

If anyone happens to keep up with such things,the President has NEVER authorized "torture."

The Geneva Conventions apply to COUNTRIES. Terrorists are NOT a country,but they are IN every country. Still the President does not condone torture!...
We can get down to "what 'is'-IS" on this : taking away the T.V. can be torture to some.Giving veggies for a meal instead of ice cream,etc.

Saddam,his sons,and blind followers, practice REAL torture.(putting victims in the meat grinders feet first,so it would hurt longer-without the brain sending a message to the rest of the body,there is no pain.)SAWING a man's head off,is torture.BIG difference.

ROTC DAD · Lt.Jg. Joined: 12 May 2004 Posts: 147

We're torturing Iraqi's in Iraq. Again, no evidence that these people are terrorists. In fact, a preponderance of evidence to the contrary.

And, as always, the arguement becomes, we're not as bad as Saddam.

We just break our own laws when we think we can get away with it.

Although Joe Biden made an interesting point, "We follow the Geneva Conventions to protect our soldiers." But again, that doesn't matter to those of you who would argue that the law does not apply to those you choose to demonize.

ASPB · Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2004 10:21 pm Post subject:

carpro · Admin Joined: 10 May 2004 Posts: 1176 Location: Texas

coldwarvet · Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2004 12:36 am Post subject: "It is just like Vietnam again"

"It is just like Vietnam again" One of the favorite phrases of the useful idiots.

This phrase is correct about one thing...

The drum beat continues to pound, pound, pound without any new information being added to the story it is down write abusive and smells to hi heaven as being politically motivated.

I am not advocating that wrong doing by soldiers in the field should be squelched. It is the abnormal lifespan of these stories that reveals to us who the enemy is within.
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