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BrianC
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I find it totally amazing that everyone ignores Bush's actions during the Vietnam war and gets all uptight over someone who actually tried to do what he believed in.
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IGNORED? Surely you jest! It was on every television news broadcast ad nauseum.
Charges were made that he was AWOL.
He wasn't.
The accusations got SO stupid from the Left that in spite of the fact that he provided DENTAL RECORDS, that the idiots on the Left said, "Well, we know his teeth were there, but where was he?"
That's "ignoring" it?
As for President Bush's "actions" during the Viet Nam war - he joined the National Guard and learned to fly the F102 aircraft. So what's your point about his "actions" ?
Meanwhile, your implication that Kerry's wounds were serious is laughable, at best. 3 PH's and his lost duty time was a couple of days. That's serious injury? PUH-LEEEEEZE!
As for Kerry doing "what he believed in" - his unfounded accusations of war crimes being committed is already well known. Apparently, what he "believed in" is that Communist Vietnam should triumph over the efforts of the United States to allow the South Vietnamese to keep their freedom via democracy.
General Giap of the NVA credits Kerry with giving them the will to continue the war. I wonder - how many died between the time Kerry began his war protesting and 1975? |
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rbshirley
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| Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2004 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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| BrianC wrote: | | I wonder how many died between the time Kerry began his war protesting and 1975? |
Actually, the pertinent question is "How many died because of his media
actions and his success in convincing the Congress to follow the demands
of his North Vietnamese mentors to cut and run, ceasing all aid to countries
in South East Asia?"
The death toll inside Vietnam and on the refugee boats may never be known.
The number of Laotians that died as a result of his activites is also unknown.
But, thanks to the "Killing Fields" book and motion picture, we have some feel
for what his media blitz and personal political successes meant in Cambodia.
Go back again and look at the "influential community of support and adulation"
that the communists are, to this day, according John Kerry in the "War Crimes
Museum" in Ho Chi Minh City: Cuba. Al Fatah. F.A.L.N.? Interesting bedfellows.
Go back and read the eloquent statement of convicted draft resister David Pence.
And then project the kind of support that this man would give to our current enemies.
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DougReese
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| Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2004 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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| BrianC wrote: | General Giap of the NVA credits Kerry with giving them the will to continue the war.
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No, Brian, he didn't.
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rbshirley
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| Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2004 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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| DougReese wrote: | | BrianC wrote: | General Giap of the NVA credits Kerry with giving them the will to continue the war.
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No, Brian, he didn't.
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On April 30, 2004 the Reuters news service reported:
"Celebrating the 29th anniversary of the fall of Saigon, the North
Vietnamese general who led his forces to victory said Friday he
was grateful to leaders of the US antiwar movement, one of whom
was presidential candidate John Kerry.
'I would like to thank them,' said General Vo Nguyen Giap, now 93.
Giap was speaking during a two-hour interview with foriegn and
domestic media on the 29th anniversary of the fall of Saigon"
Reuters, which first reported Giap's comments, suggested that the
former enemy general was mindful of Kerry's role in leading some
of the highest profile antiwar protests of the entire Vietnam war.
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Maybe not an exact translation. But he sure sounds like he was grateful
to Kerry for helping them not only continue, but to prevail in the end.
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DougReese
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| Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2004 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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| rbshirley wrote: | | DougReese wrote: | | BrianC wrote: | General Giap of the NVA credits Kerry with giving them the will to continue the war.
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No, Brian, he didn't.
Doug |
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On April 30, 2004 the Reuters news service reported:
"Celebrating the 29th anniversary of the fall of Saigon, the North
Vietnamese general who led his forces to victory said Friday he
was grateful to leaders of the US antiwar movement, one of whom
was presidential candidate John Kerry.
'I would like to thank them,' said General Vo Nguyen Giap, now 93.
Giap was speaking during a two-hour interview with foriegn and
domestic media on the 29th anniversary of the fall of Saigon"
Reuters, which first reported Giap's comments, suggested that the
former enemy general was mindful of Kerry's role in leading some
of the highest profile antiwar protests of the entire Vietnam war.
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Maybe not an exact translation. But he sure sounds like he was grateful
to Kerry for helping them not only continue, but to prevail in the end.
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Not an exact translation? It appears it isn't even a quote. Except for "I would like to thank them", none of those words are Giap's.
Doug |
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ASPB
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| Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2004 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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The real problem is that the source is Reuters. With their agenda we'll probably never hear a direct translation of what Giap actually said.
Let us remember that Reuters won't even call a terrorist a terrorist but insists that they are militants and, as often as not, freedom fighters.
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BrianC
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| Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2004 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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| DougReese wrote: | Except for "I would like to thank them", none of those words are Giap's.
Doug |
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Well, there you go again, ignoring the obvious.
So what do "I would like to thank them" in the context of speaking about the anti-war movement (and Kerry's involvement in it) mean? |
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War Dog
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| Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2004 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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Remember their 'MO'!
'Deny, Lie, Change Subject, Attack!'
If the news report is anti-Bush, anti-War, anti-Republican, anti-Conservative, then the Democrats/Liberals are all over it, and quote and repeat it as gospel.
But if the situation is reversed, they deny it, lie about it, change the subject, and attack those who posted it, or wrote it.
Woof!
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DougReese
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| Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 1:06 am Post subject: |
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| War Dog wrote: | Remember their 'MO'!
'Deny, Lie, Change Subject, Attack!'
If the news report is anti-Bush, anti-War, anti-Republican, anti-Conservative, then the Democrats/Liberals are all over it, and quote and repeat it as gospel.
But if the situation is reversed, they deny it, lie about it, change the subject, and attack those who posted it, or wrote it.
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Hmmm, I didn't lie about anything, and I certainly didn't change the subject.
As for attacking, well, I think you know I don't do that.
Deny? Guilty as charged 
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ASPB
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| Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 1:15 am Post subject: |
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| DougReese wrote: | | War Dog wrote: | Remember their 'MO'!
'Deny, Lie, Change Subject, Attack!'
If the news report is anti-Bush, anti-War, anti-Republican, anti-Conservative, then the Democrats/Liberals are all over it, and quote and repeat it as gospel.
But if the situation is reversed, they deny it, lie about it, change the subject, and attack those who posted it, or wrote it.
Woof! |
Hmmm, I didn't lie about anything, and I certainly didn't change the subject.
As for attacking, well, I think you know I don't do that.
Deny? Guilty as charged
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Doug,
I don't think War Dog was addressing your comment.
Do you know any way we can get the actual quote? Friends of yours with the Saigon Media?
Just a thought.
Tom
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DougReese
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| Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 1:24 am Post subject: |
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| ASPB wrote: | | DougReese wrote: | | War Dog wrote: | Remember their 'MO'!
'Deny, Lie, Change Subject, Attack!'
If the news report is anti-Bush, anti-War, anti-Republican, anti-Conservative, then the Democrats/Liberals are all over it, and quote and repeat it as gospel.
But if the situation is reversed, they deny it, lie about it, change the subject, and attack those who posted it, or wrote it.
Woof! |
Hmmm, I didn't lie about anything, and I certainly didn't change the subject.
As for attacking, well, I think you know I don't do that.
Deny? Guilty as charged
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Doug,
I don't think War Dog was addressing your comment.
Do you know any way we can get the actual quote? Friends of yours with the Saigon Media?
Just a thought.
Tom |
I was going to comment to that effect. This interview was recent, and was some sort of group thing. I read about it -- in general terms -- as it was just 6-7 weeks ago.
I don't have any friends in the Saigon media. I do, however, have friends in the Hanoi media 
He's here in DC. Let me ask him about it.
But first, on to more important matters . . . . if only the Pacers were still playing 
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War Dog
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Doug, actually I was speaking in generalities concerning Democrats and Liberals. Not all of them practice all four things I pointed out. Some use one, some two, some three, some all four. I almost always speak in generalities when I talk about Democrats and Liberals, and if I do not, I speak directly to whom I am speaking about.
I regret that you were upset by what I said, I did not mean to imply that you lied, or changed the subject. One of the major things I respect about you and your opinion is that you do take on the issues head on, you are not afraid to answer any questions directed at you, and you do not put up with what you consider as 'BS'! I do not always agree with what you say, but I'll cover your back anytime, and defend your right to say what you feel is right anytime!
Woof!
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Marine4life
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| Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 1:31 am Post subject: |
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Coming from the enemy "I would like to thank them" is enough for me. You can disect that and interpret all you want, and you still get Giap credits him with helping him. If this was about Bush it would be written in stone for the left, but Kerry it get's interpreted. Semper Fi.
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DougReese
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| Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 2:45 am Post subject: |
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| War Dog wrote: | Doug, actually I was speaking in generalities concerning Democrats and Liberals. Not all of them practice all four things I pointed out. Some use one, some two, some three, some all four. I almost always speak in generalities when I talk about Democrats and Liberals, and if I do not, I speak directly to whom I am speaking about.
I regret that you were upset by what I said, I did not mean to imply that you lied, or changed the subject. One of the major things I respect about you and your opinion is that you do take on the issues head on, you are not afraid to answer any questions directed at you, and you do not put up with what you consider as 'BS'! I do not always agree with what you say, but I'll cover your back anytime, and defend your right to say what you feel is right anytime!
Woof! |
Not to worry. I wasn't upset.
I almost said "Surely you don't mean me.", but didn't.
If you-know-who (rhymes with "Slamed it") didn't upset me, and he didn't, you sure wouldn't.
Thanks for the comments.
Doug |
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War Dog
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| Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 2:46 am Post subject: |
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Woof!
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