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Spiess · Lieutenant Joined: 30 Jul 2004 Posts: 246

I dont know about you guys but Im sure that if this moron wins they will be sure to hit the US to let the public know we are not safe no matter what we do. If bush wins I dont think they will hit inside the borders. just a hunch.

PigBoatAndy · Former Member Joined: 14 Sep 2004 Posts: 37

PigBoatAndy · Former Member Joined: 14 Sep 2004 Posts: 37

Is "Thinking" About The August 2003 Power Black Out Relevant To Terrorism ?

I am a graduate of the "Duck and Cover" drills in the public schools in the 1950's - and there was a Nike battery between my house and my school.

In a number of rather unreadable papers ("The Unruly Power Grid" by Peter Fairley - August 2004 SPECTRUM; "Cascading Failures" by former Shuttle Astronaut Jay Apt, Lester Lave, and Sarosh Talukdar, "Cascading Failures: Survival Versus Prevention, The Electricity Journal, November 2003) - Apt, Lave, and Talukdar make the argument - with respect to power blackouts - if blackouts are as hard to predict and prevent as tsunamis and earthquakes, we should make it our business to be prepared. Apt etc. argue that the proper inquiry is not "how to prevent blackouts" - but how to survive them.

I would rephrase it - our inquiry is not "how to prevent terror attacks" - clearly we must try to prevent terror attacks - but how to survive them.

It is pessimistic - but totally realistic. If one terrorist team with one dirty bomb gets through our security (or plants a bomb in a container ship) our porous borders and random check port security may not be 100% effective.

The issue is a robust, resilient, and reliant society and infrastructure - and enabling our robust, resilient, and reliant society and infrastructure to recover quickly.

As this year's hurricanes show - we have started to learn the disaster preparedness lessons of 9/11and Loma Prieta and Northridge.

It may be fun to post about whether Bush or Kerry will be more effective at "deterring" a terrorist attack. But, IMO, we have to prepare as if another terrorist attack, and another three hurricane season, and another rupture along New Madrid or San Andreas, and another Mt. St. Helens eruption is almost a certainty - because it is.

Cali-HeyGirl · Seaman Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 156 Location: Mayport

PigBoatAndy · Former Member Joined: 14 Sep 2004 Posts: 37

The latest rumor from my wife (a real, post-9/11 "Security Mom") - a hot rumor from a friend of hers who is an Emergency Room (not trauma, just walk ins) Nurse----

Part One -- The contamination of the 50,000,000 units of flu vaccine at Chiron's factory in Liverpool UK was no accident - and no "over abundance of caution."

Part Two -- The hot rumor is --- sabatoge by AlQaida (lots of Muslims in Liverpool - isn't Liverpool where the "Shoe Bomber" came from?).

The logic - or illogic - or grand strategy - would be to hit us with some new strains of viruses when our collective immune resistance is compromised.

This RN friend also said that all of these "Criuse Ship" gastric viruses were a trial run -- and the Chiron "sabatoge" was the first pitch. Question

Makes you appreciate Surgeon General Dr. Richard Carmona at this time.

texcritter · Seaman Recruit Joined: 09 Oct 2004 Posts: 2 Location: TX

PigBoatAndy · Former Member Joined: 14 Sep 2004 Posts: 37

texcritter-

Thanks. After I posted that append, on a hunch I went to the local hardware/camping/outdoors store. Bought a blister pack of five. Now that is luxury!! - a blister pack.

Rich · Ensign Joined: 12 Sep 2004 Posts: 71

I keep enough MREs and water to allow my family and I to survive for two weeks. And ammo?................well of course, plenty of ammo. I for one didnt spend my formative years watching MTV,playing X-box, and smoking pot. I was a boy scout "remember them"? and was/am "always prepared"......................Rich
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82nd_Airborne_Dad · Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 12:57 pm Post subject: Been prepared since 9-11 . . .

The day will come when a stike on America happens again. I feel our best defense is a well thought out offense (so does President Bush). But that will likely come after the bass turds take out one or two of our major cities. They better be praying to allah, because God damn their sorry azzes.

Preparedness starts at home. My wife and I have enough food to last about a year. Water is on city well, and hopefully we wouldn't loose that. Face it we're screwed if they do contaminate vast water suppies. I just hope that those that are left will take swift and strong action in the Middle East.

We currently have around 1000 rounds of 9mm, and about 200 rounds of 7mm mag, 500 rounds of 12-gauge, and 40 rounds of 20-guage, 500+ rounds of 22 . . . and then about 40 pounds of assorted black powder.

I think it would pass personal preparedness. Cool

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