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Marine4life · Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2004 6:10 pm Post subject:

Sort of what I said, but you put it better and more point blank. I was giving them time to see realality verses their beliefs. But you hit the nail on the head, either honor that contract or sign another one elswhere. Law's in fact Trump Right's. Semper Fi ASPB!!!!
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publius · Ensign Joined: 04 Jun 2004 Posts: 69

"Therefore in practice the terms of your contract with the nation trump your individual rights because you signed them away when you chose to live here and be governed by the terms of the contract. " -ASPB

To tell you the truth I'm speechless.

Others can keep the ball rolling if they wish. I need a little break.
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ASPB · Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2004 6:42 pm Post subject:

ASPB · Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2004 8:10 pm Post subject:

So, disregarding political persuasion and possible confusion regarding the premise, The Rule of Law trumps individual rights 8 to 7. Kinda like November 2nd will be. For every 8 Bush votes there will be 7 Kerry votes.

Anyone giving odds? Laughing

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ROWELG · Ensign Joined: 12 Jun 2004 Posts: 64 Location: Minnesota

Goophy Dog says "liberal judges that continue to sit on the bench and interpret law is the fault of the people who allow them to do so."

Yes, that is true primarily for that category of JUSTICE called CLASS ACTION LAWSUITS that end up in the Federal Supreme Court for judicial judgement. The problem is moreso with the JUSTICES, than the JUDGES.

As Supreme Court Justices are selected, not elected, all with lifetime appointments, the fault is in who we vote in as Federal Senators and Presidents, who have the job to do the selection. That is why this 2004 election is cruicial. There will be two or three Supreme Court Justices that need to be replaced. The liberal fight for the Senate and Presidency is to keep and gain control the of Justice System, which really is where power hits the road, that power that influences our daily life.

Further, these Justices, by name, rarely make the news as to how they ruled, and on what class action lawsuits. There is no way to appraise their lifetime performance, by name. Sad to say, we have a couple of onservative appointed Justices that turned out to be liberal partisans after they got there. The problem is that conservatives choose to stay out of the selection process, while liberals become organized opposing activists as in the case of Judge Bork's nomination, or this latest Latino Judge.

A: Law & Justice
1: Civil Law / Common Law
2: Lawsuits / Litigation
Contracts
Harassment
Intellectual Property (conceptual)
Property Rights / Ownership
Legal/Tort Reform
Damages

3: Lawsuits: Class Action
Judicial Judgments
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ROWELG · Ensign Joined: 12 Jun 2004 Posts: 64 Location: Minnesota

In America, the JUSTICE system is a LEGAL system made up of a body of LAWS. JUSTICE = LAWS: LAWS = JUSTICE

There are many applications of the word RIGHT. To the liberal, RIGHTS = ENTITLEMENTS (grounds for seeking or claiming something, a right to benefits, a government program providing benefits to members of a specified group)

If my logic and premise is correct:
LAWS = JUSTICE
RIGHTS = ENTITLEMENTS
ENTITLEMENTS = CLAIMS FOR BENEFITS BY A SPECIFIED GROUP

Then, the liberal conclusion is that ENTTTLEMENTS TRUMP JUSTICE, or the CLAIMS FOR BENEFITS BY A SPECIFID GROUP TRUMPS JUSTICE.

I see, redistribution of earned wages of the self determined ambitious to buy goods and services per the claims of able bodied idle sloths, is JUST.
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hist/student · Lieutenant Joined: 09 May 2004 Posts: 243

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ROWELG · Ensign Joined: 12 Jun 2004 Posts: 64 Location: Minnesota

Hist/student says: LOGIC THE BANE OF THE LEFTISTS MINDSET, where"logic is hurtfull when it is applied to Deeds, thoughts and words. The best thing which happend to me in college was being too insecure to take advanced math. I lucked into one of those professor types who change their students lives for the better."

The IDEA and taproot of logic is REASONING. the science of the formal principles of reasoning dealing with RELEVANCE, something that forces a decision apart from or in opposition to reason. Simply put, you cannot reason with those not able to reason, like reasoning with children.

I guess deeds, thoughts, and words with sound reasoning (& facts) are hurtfull to some. Yes, the truth does hurt sometimes. That is modern college student thinking. We have the RIGHTS of not being discomforted by words. In the 60's, college student fought to be adult. Now they fight to stay children, to remain immature, remain sensitive to words. I know many in old age that are still in high school, that never grew up. I know many where FEELINGS dominate and trump sound REASON.

Garage Logic and reasoning are essential to making the better choice, the better decision. I was fortunate to major in mathematics, economics, and Political Science. Thanks for the logic, math, and science degrees that over the century gave us jet engines, commercial airliners, computers, TV's, frig's, washers, dryers, indoor toilets, hot water heaters, medical equipment and medicines, integrated circuits, organ transplants, and all those material goods that make those insecure college students live a better life.

This is the classic contrast in IDEAS that shows why BUREAUCACY and TECHNOLOGY cannot co-exist, and why the USSR collapsed from within. The USSR could make great military weapons. But, according to the CEO of Super Valu, who put the first largest supermarket into Moscow, reported that they did not even have the technology to make a can of pea's. Russian's who got their peas and twigs out of a barrel were amazed at American Peas, all uniform in size, and canned with clean pure water. Half the food raised in the fields could never make it to market. Half the food rotted in the fields because they had no technologies in place to get it from field, to shelf, processed and packaged. Watch the food channel at 7:30 PM EDT, and be amazed how our food gets from there to here.

I wonder if students ever wonders how all those material goods that he purchases actually gets from raw materials to the store shelf. My grandkids think milk comes from a bottle, and hamburger from McDonalds.

Scott · Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 2:00 am Post subject: Re: Logic is hurtfull?

ROWELG · Ensign Joined: 12 Jun 2004 Posts: 64 Location: Minnesota

Scotts says: "They (liberal elites) have (via the "Progressives") found that logic can be trumped by "situatedness," which argues that logic (in the Western "White Man" sense) is specific to our culture, and not applicable elsewhere. "

Sadly, but that is somewhat true, although after centuries, proof is in the pudding. Days before the downfall of the Shah of Iran, with visa in hand, I was ready to depart to Iran to set up a factory to build PC's. The Shah, knew that one day the oil would run out. He needed desktop educational PC's to mass educate the people, to bring them into the industrial age. He paid for the R&D with my American company. He was going to mass produce educational terminals, long before Microsoft. His anti-industry anti-western opponents ( living in France), and thanks to Carter withdrawing all military and American support, overthrew the Shah.

Anyway, to the point at hand, I had to go to an Iranian seminar as to understand how to manage Iranians. The central point that they stressed, and I retained was that (1) Western Culture moves from the specific, to the general, and (2) Eastern Culture moved from the general to the specific. That meant not teaching chapter 1, before 2, and 3, and etc. Ideas were not linked to one another, but to the general big picture. Teaching could not be done as linking IDEAS, chapter by chapter. It was not the movement from simple to complex. Business meetings must start talking the general, and moving to and from specifics. Their thinking pattern is jumping back and forth, from general, to a specific, back to general, back to specific, etc. It is like looking at a picture, looking at the whole first, and then picking it apart, bit by bit. It was not a this, plus this, plus this, is that. It was not A + B =C, therefore.....!

It explains suiicide = rewards of virgins in heaven! It also explains why western God-based SELF DETERMINATION cultures continue to advance, century after century, growing and prospering via sound imagination, technology and creativity. It explains why most eastern COLLECTIVEST cultures are centuries behind the times. The fact is that Islam is not logical, or reasonable, at least not radical Islam. In my experience, neither committees nor bureaucrats created nor invented anything, for they always ponder the general. It is safe to say that all the landmark discoveries impacting science and technology came from an individual, like Newton, or Einstein, not a gang. Technology and bureaucracy cannot coexist. A Gang (collectivist, socialist) is a gang, is a gang, whether members are dressed in leathers, suits and ties, or robes.