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[Hondo]

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An open letter to Professor John J. Leaños, Arizona State University.

Professor Leaños:

You are a worthles @$$hole.

I am fully aware of your rights to freee speech and expression. Hell, I've worn the uniform of this country - on active duty and as a reservist - for over a quarter century to defend the right of idiots such as you to enjoy freedom. I've come close on at least one occasion to dying defending the precious freedoms you profane. I've gained permanent disabling injuries while defending freedom.

I still wear the uniform. I feel that it's important to defend the rights of every American - including snitheads such as you - to be free.

However, this time you have simply gone too g*****n far. I will not remain quiet, you SOB. You are simply WAY THE HELL OVER THE LINE, m*********r.

Pat Tillman - whose image you recently used in anti-war posters for political purposes, and into whose silent, dead mouth you dared to put words - gave up a F**KING SIX-FIGURE ANNUAL SALARY AND A THE LIFESTYLE OF A PROFESSIONAL ATHLETE to defend his country after September 11, 2001. It should be obvious to even a STUPID IGNORANT GIRLYMAN such as yourself that Pat Tillman knew exactly what he was doing - and would NEVER, EVEN ON THE PROVERBIAL COLD DAY IN HELL, HAVE REFERRED TO HIS DEATH IN THE SERVICE OF HIS NATION AS A MISTAKE.

What in the hell have you ever done for your country, dickface? Hell, all you've ever done is F**KING PERFORMANCE ART!!! Pardon me, but you don't even have the right to KISS PAT TILLMAN'S @$$, MUCH LESS SPEAK FOR HIM.

I wish you a speedy and irreversable one-way journey to hell. F**k you and the horse you rode in on.
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"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing worth a war, is worse."
-- John Stuart Mill

[sdonions]

Hey Hondo. Tell us how you really feel.

Now that was a concise and very emotional reply. I feel the same way but that idiot will just look at your letter and think you are a conservative wingnut. People like that do not think and they do not care who or what they have to stomp on to get "Their Truth" out. He sounds just like a MM wannabe.

[Hondo]

[zinfella]

[Hondo]

Update time.

The following is the text of an e-mail I received today from the Arizona Board of Regents. It relates to a the complaint I sent regarding the "good" Professor Leaños. If this is a PR "hand job", it's a good one.

[Kimmymac]

Thanks for staying on this, Hondo. I wonder how we can find out what the outcome of the administrative review is?

I just do not want the board to think that since they sent out this letter everyone is mollified and it can be business as usual.
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The last refuge of scoundrels is not patriotism; it is finicky liberal humanitarianism.--Martin Paretz

[Hondo]

Kimmymac:

Admin actions take a while - probably after the election at the earliest. They'll be sure to give this "fine individual" due process. I'd be surprised if anything happens before the 1st of the year.

Frankly, I was surprised to see this much this soon given the liberal leanings of most of academia.

I plan on following up every so often if I don't hear anything through the media and/or other sources.

My guess is that anything will be handled quietly. However, if he's no longer on the faculty next term (please!), we may be able to discern what happened even if everybody in the administration stays mum.


PS: ever get around to watching Top Gun again?
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"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing worth a war, is worse."
-- John Stuart Mill

[Anker-Klanker]

I hate that I've had to become so cynical that I have to read everything for spin, gotchas, etc. Hopefully that letter does reflect the intent of the Arizona Board of Regents. But I notice that there are only three names on it: Gary Stuart, Professor Crow, and Joel Sideman. Presumably, then, they are all favor of the review. Now how many other people are on the Board of Regents, whose names are not mentioned? Are they not mentioned because they are on the other side, or have not taken a position? If the whole Board of Regents was behind the review, then why are not more names included, or something said that would convey that meaning?

I'm suspicious.

[Hondo]

Stuart is the ABOR President; Sideman is the ABOR Executive Director. Both are fairly well-placed on the ABOR and IMO good to have on our side.

If I recall correctly, ABOR has 9 members.

Crow is the ASU President, under whose authority the administrative review is being conducted. Since the ABOR is VERY influential in allocating the AZ University system's budget, I think Crow just might listen to what they have to say. (grin)

I've also gotten a shorter reply from one of my state Senators indicating he would be looking into the matter.

I'm hopeful. This could indeed be a PR "hand job"; as I said, if so it's a GOOD one. We'll see.

Or more precisely: hopefully, soon we'll see one LESS ASU professor.
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"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing worth a war, is worse."
-- John Stuart Mill

[Rdtf]

they are sending the wrong message by not canning his a** right away. The creep admitted to it. Why a review? Please.

[julsmith]

And we wonder why our college-age students are becoming so liberally brainwashed. I want my daughters to be well educated, but not with this kind of crap on the campus. It makes me wonder what the future holds for our country. I'm just glad people on this forum take the time to speak up!

Thanks so much, you're great to read after a day out seeing tons of Skerry signs.

[Hondo]

Unfortunately, if he did this on his own time, using his own $$$, facilities, and supplies, he's virtually certainly in the clear due to a little thing called freedom of speech. The same thing that lets us call Kerry a lying sack of . . . pâté.

Freedom of speech cuts two ways. I'd still rather keep it than toss it.

On the other hand, if he used University time, facilities, or supplies, he's technically committed theft from the state of AZ. That's grounds for firing and/or prosecution (although the amount of $$ involved - along with the politics - virtually guarantees he'd never be prosecuted).
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"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing worth a war, is worse."
-- John Stuart Mill

[Kimmymac]

He will probably be offered a full professor, tenured position at Berkley, even if ASU does can him.

Our universties are ridiculous. I have posted about them ad naseaum. I am sure you are all sick of listening to me rant and carry on. My husband went to Penn and Stanford. (everyone in my family has a good education except me, which is what you would expect since I have never had a real job.) Penn is ridiculous. The Ivy League is ridiculous. It is amazing I would even go out with him when he told me he went to Penn. My immediate reaction when he told me was, "You went to Penn? Are you a Red, or just pink in the middle?" He said he was ROTC, I almost choked on my light beer. I didn't think Penn allowed ROTC students. (to this day, when he gets something wrong I shake my head and say, "And he graduated from an Ivy League school." Stanford was better, and anyway it was graduate school and the Navy paid for it. A bunch of the folks in the program were also military, so it was a nice little conservative microcosm within Stanford. So yeah, if you can, talk your kids or grandkids into attending smaller, private colleges with a more conservative or balanced viewpoint. Hillsdale College in Michigan is good.

Otherwise, you might have what happened to you what happened to my family in 1973: my hot shot brother went off to get a college edumakashun and he came back all bright eyed, long haired, and bushy tailed, and proceeded to lecture my Marine Colonel dad on his "fascist politics." As soon as the words came out of his mouth I excused myself from the table and went to get my mom. I figured there was gonna be a brothercide. Now my brother is a staunch conservative, and I love to give him a hard time about what a genius he was in kolledge. I also like to tell his sons, "But of course that was back when your dad was a sensitive atheist," and stuff like that. When my nephews tell me their dad is being hard on them, I tell them their dad has somewhat fascist views.

My brother hates me.

No, Hondo, I havent had a chance to watch Top Gun, but this is kinda funny: I was getting my weekly manicure and pedicure (eat your heart out, John Kerry) and one of the nail techs said to her friend, "Doesn't she look like Meg Ryan?" and the other tech said, "Yeah, she does, but when Meg Ryan was younger, like the "Harry Met Sally" Meg Ryan, not Meg Ryan after she got dumped by Russell Crowe." (These people are serious celebrity people. They could write for STAR magazine, I think.) But it wasa nice thing to say, because I am closer to Meg Ryans real age, but probably they just wanted a bigger tip.) So now I have to watch "when Harry Met Sally" to see if I should have given her another 5%. Next week I can argue with them about which Meg Ryan movie I most look like now. I can say, "No no, no. I am Meg Ryan from "Sleepless in Seattle" dammit!"

Figures I would remind people of a goofy comedian, instead of some glamorous actress, though. Maybe I should try to be more alluring. Yeah, right. Maybe I could just work on not being so goofy. Could be worse I guess: I could remind people of Lily Tomlin. Or Whoppi Goldberg.

Anyone remember what this thread was about? Oh yeah, Pat Tillman. Now I am mad all over again.
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The last refuge of scoundrels is not patriotism; it is finicky liberal humanitarianism.--Martin Paretz

[azpatriot]

Kimmymac Like always I just love to read your posts they put a smile on my face Wow Meg Ryan ... she should feel honored
Please just stay the way you are I don't think anyone here would have you any other way
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[Dabba55]

John.Leanos@asu.edu

You can send the Tillman desecrater an email. And Kimmymac, I think you should write a book. You're hilarious.