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carpro
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| sparky wrote: | Carpo: "Then this must mean that "corporate elites" have liberal agendas.
That doesn't square very well with liberal demonization of corporations.
Hmmmmm."
Dow Jones, Knight Ridder, Rupert Murdoch, Gannett, Westinghouse, General Electric, Hearst Corp, Cox...
Liberal? Gimme a break. These are corporate interests and only by misrepresenting and redefining the "liberal agenda" can you conclude that the owners of the media have a liberal bias.
Seriously, when was the last time you read about the virtues of the minimum wage and not just a proposal to raise it? We stand now with a lower minimum wage since the day it was enacted and the "liberal media" hasn't spoken of it until John Kerry brought it up. |
To deny the media doesn't have a liberal bias is to be in total denial or have your eyes and ears shut with your brain disengaged.
So , when you say the "corporate elites" have tremendous influence over editorial media comment HAS to mean that you believe the "corporate elite" have a liberal agenda.
That's a strange admission by the ol' Sparkmeister. 
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rbshirley
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| Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2004 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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| sparky wrote: | Documentation that they've remained in contact with him?
You're kidding, right? Have you really missed this?
You haven't seen any of the film footage?
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Too bad ..... wasn't the camera buff that Kerry was. Then you wouldn't
be in the awkward position of avoiding a discussion of ....... |
Perhaps you "missed" what one of Kerry's "crewmembers" had to say
BEFORE the "Hollywood vs History" types polished him into campaign
hype:
{And no, this is NOT from Steve Gardner:}
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When he got back to the States he goes in with the Vets Against and I felt
betrayed. I really think he was just seizing the opportunity to get political
support from his State and how he interpreted their feelings.
By the way the NVA flag he has in his office (or so they say) belonged to
me and he took it. And no I am still not over that.
It is now 1993 and I am going to D.C. in January. I call his office, tell his
secretary who I am and how I had served under Mr. Kerry on Swift Boats.
She said he would be delighted to set up a meeting. He was going to be
in one the meeting places (I think it was the one that an underground train
shuttles to and from). She told me where to be and when and I gave her
my phone numbers at home, work and D.C. I waited for over 2 hours
and he never showed or called.
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And isn't it ust too bad that the Senate documented Kerry's own words
about meeting with representatives of a declared enemy in the SEA war
and his use of their propaganda to decieve the country into believing that
the retribution by the Commnnists would be minor if the US just pulled out.
"You haven't seen any of the film footage?" Yes, I have: "The Killing Fields"
And isn't it too bad that Bill Lupetti IS a photogapher and documented the
tribute to Kerry by the North Vietnamese for his valuable assistance in the
winning of their political war. Along with Cuba, Al Fatah, and the F.A.L.N
"Then you wouldn't be in the awkward position of avoiding a discussion of "
Kerry's activities AFTER he returned from his Navy service. Compared to
these YEARS .... Kerry's short four months in Vietnam are not relevent.
I could repost the the recent {May} pictures from the "War Crimes Museum"
But ... as you have done in the past ... you would erroneously call them fakes.
http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=20040604194804799
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sparky
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| Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 12:42 am Post subject: |
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I don't accept that source about *another* Kerry crewmate who dismisses him. There's only one: Gardner.
| Quote: | So , when you say the "corporate elites" have tremendous influence over editorial media comment HAS to mean that you believe the "corporate elite" have a liberal agenda.
That's a strange admission by the ol' Sparkmeister. |
I didn't say that. The Nation magazine is liberal. So is In These Times. While the NYT's or Washington Post will carry occasional opinion writers who are liberal, their opinions are balanced out by people like David Brooks.
Corporate elites hire and fire journalists. Most everything we read, hear, and see from the media is filtered first by major corporations. |
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ASPB
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| Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 12:55 am Post subject: |
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| sparky wrote: | I don't accept that source about *another* Kerry crewmate who dismisses him. There's only one: Gardner.
| Quote: | So , when you say the "corporate elites" have tremendous influence over editorial media comment HAS to mean that you believe the "corporate elite" have a liberal agenda.
That's a strange admission by the ol' Sparkmeister. |
I didn't say that. The Nation magazine is liberal. So is In These Times. While the NYT's or Washington Post will carry occasional opinion writers who are liberal, their opinions are balanced out by people like David Brooks.
Corporate elites hire and fire journalists. Most everything we read, hear, and see from the media is filtered first by major corporations. |
Doud, Krugman, et.al. are balanced by Brooks? Ya gotta be kidding. The Nation and These Times are liberal? You're delusional! They're communists in highly-paid socialist clothing! Katrina and Corn are self-professed Marxists! How old are you? 12?
So, I guess it is to be presumed that all "corporate elites" are Republicans in your mind? Ever met or talked to George Soros?
Corporate management is about making money for their shareholders, which BTW, probably includes you if you have a retirement plan or 401(k). If you don't have one then you're probably a child of Democratic Party oppressed union workers or a government bureaucracy employee who is sucking at the tit of the "Nanny State"!
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rbshirley
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| Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 1:21 am Post subject: |
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| sparky wrote: |
On Sunday June 20, 2004:
It says quite a bit about a man ... [Yadda Yadda ad nauseam]
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Kerry got it wrong when he was the leader of the VVAW.
You have it wrong now. The ONLY pertinent way to state that is a follows:
It says quite a bit about a man that during those years when others were
in the jungle, on a river, taking shrapnel and taking risks, that he instead
was in a meeting with the enemies of those soldiers, whose result was to
produce propaganda in the media and Congress that would deceive the
country into believing that hundreds of thousands would NOT perish if the
United States just walked away from its obligations in South East Asia.
But there was no shame for that man. Instead he is today revered in the
War Crimes Museum in HCM City for helping win the political war for the
Communists. That was terribly wrong then. He is terribly wrong today.
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ASPB
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| Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 1:28 am Post subject: |
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| rbshirley wrote: | | sparky wrote: |
On Sunday June 20, 2004:
It says quite a bit about a man ... [Yadda Yadda ad nauseam]
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Kerry got it wrong when he was the leader of the VVAW.
You have it wrong now. The ONLY pertinent way to state that is a follows:
It says quite a bit about a man that during those years when others were
in the jungle, on a river, taking shrapnel and taking risks, that he instead
was in a meeting with the enemies of those soldiers, whose result was to
produce propaganda in the media and Congress that would deceive the
country into believing that hundreds of thousands would NOT perish if the
United States just walked away from its obligations in South East Asia.
But there was no shame for that man. Instead he is today revered in the
War Crimes Museum in HCM City for helping win the political war for the
Communists. That was terribly wrong then. He is terribly wrong today.
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RB,
With all due respect (and you're due a lot in this forum), we in management get your point. I'm waiting to consult with others before dealing with Sparky's "signature". Please don't let yourself be drawn in! Did you see my PM from earlier today?
And Yes! this serves as notice to everyone. No Trolling Allowed! No Spamming! Let's debate like ladies and gentlemen!
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sparky
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sparky
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| Quote: | | Doud, Krugman, et.al. are balanced by Brooks? Ya gotta be kidding. The Nation and These Times are liberal? You're delusional! They're communists in highly-paid socialist clothing! Katrina and Corn are self-professed Marxists! How old are you? 12? |
Katrina and Corn are "self-avowed Marxists?" Nope. You want Marxists? Go to http://www.workers.org/ Them's Marxists there. The Nation is the epitome of liberalism and has been for over 140 years. In fact, virtually everything they promoted -- abolition, the right to vote for women and slaves, minimum wage, child labor laws -- have come to pass. And the United States isn't by any means "Marxist."
| Quote: | | So, I guess it is to be presumed that all "corporate elites" are Republicans in your mind? Ever met or talked to George Soros? |
Nope. I haven't. And nope, all corporate elites aren't Republicans. Many are Democrats. Our media, regardless, is run by and for the interests of corporations. Just goes to show you that both parties (especially the GOP) are bought, sold, and paid for by corporations. Anything less is a violation of the fiduciary responsibilities those corporations have to their stockholders. I don't expect them to advocate for anyone else's interests and it's naive to think otherwise.
I'm in favor of limiting that power. How about you?
| Quote: | | Instead he is today revered in the War Crimes Museum in HCM City for helping win the political war for the Communists. |
I can't say I believe that. I haven't seen any evidence outside of blogs or freeperland saying that. |
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MikeWinn
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| Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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Is it just me, or did Sparky post the Marxist web site quickly and easily?
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carpro
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| Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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| sparky wrote: |
| Quote: | So , when you say the "corporate elites" have tremendous influence over editorial media comment HAS to mean that you believe the "corporate elite" have a liberal agenda.
That's a strange admission by the ol' Sparkmeister. |
Corporate elites hire and fire journalists. Most everything we read, hear, and see from the media is filtered first by major corporations. |
I will agree that the corporations that journalists work for have the ability and the right to hire and fire them. As a sole proprietor, I have the same right and ability.
Are you saying that there is "a vast right wing conspiracy" of "corporate elites" that controls our major media outlets? If you are, the evidence doesn't back you up. Not even close!
Or do you just see an evil corporation under every rock?
BTW... in your opinion, what IS a "corporate elite"?
AND...since you hate corporations so much, what would you replace them with?
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