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msindependent Vice Admiral
Joined: 26 Aug 2004 Posts: 891 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | Charles Krauthammer just knocked it out of the park. He shut up the whole panel. He said that those explosives should have already been destroyed by the Atomic Energy Commission according to some armistice agreement. They shouldn't have even been there to begin with....and the Fox reporter Dana (something) said that there were NO weapons there when our troops got there. |
Good. How dare Kerry to try and put down the 101st Airborne to advance his career. What a basturd. |
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Debs Lieutenant
Joined: 22 Aug 2004 Posts: 228 Location: Lubbock, Texas
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Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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Brit also pointed out that Dana Lewis had said the site had been heavily bombed and big craters were visible there - so maybe our bombing destroyed the explosives, if they were even really there.
And Krauthammer was great, as usual.
Debbie _________________ "No greater love..." |
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Rdtf CNO
Joined: 13 May 2004 Posts: 2209 Location: BUSHville
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Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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NBC is doing it now on the nightly news. Opening story. Sounds like they are standing by their story. But - seems they feel they are being used by the Bush Admin to clear Bush. Still saying no hard intel to prove either way. |
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twicearound PO2
Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Posts: 362 Location: San Antonio
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Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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twicearound wrote: | Anyone hear this, hubby said Rush commented on the fact that Kerry mentioned (that ammo dump) in the second debate. How did he know then, what did he know, when did he know, and who told him. Do the dates add up. Smelly that he infers something that just now comes out.
Are we just hearing things? |
Sorry to quote my own words but the Rush tanscript provided the answer, very interesting
Rush wrote: | KERRY: You rely on good military people to execute the military component of the strategy. But winning the peace is larger than just the military component. General Shinseki had the wisdom to say you're going to need several hundred thousand troops to win the peace. The military's job is to win the war. The president's job is to win the peace. The president did not do what was necessary, didn't bring in enough nations, didn't deliver the help, didn't close off the borders, didn't even guard the ammo dumps. And now our kids are being killed with ammos right out of that dump.
RUSH: What dump, senator? What did you know back on October the 8th that the New York Times didn't report until October 25th? What ammo dump are you talking about, senator? Are you talking about the ammo dump that had no ammo in it that the New York Times made a big story of yesterday that's totally false and fraudulent? How did you know about this, senator, if that's the ammo dump you're talking about? The ammo dump with no weapons in it that therefore could be killing none of our troops? Which ammo dump are you talking about? Are you talking to the United Nations? You keep saying that you met with the UN Security Council when you didn't, trying to make yourself look like a big guy. What I've always said about Kerry: His stature doesn't speak for itself despite his height. He has to put other people down. He has to rip other people in order to make himself appear larger and bigger than everybody else.
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shawa CNO
Joined: 03 Sep 2004 Posts: 2004
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Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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NBC really backed away. Brokaw was defensive. Said people
were using their report to prove the weapons weren't there.
He said you have to look carefully at what was said.
That Mikalezewski said the troops didn't find weapons there, but
that he DID NOT say the the troops searched for weapons.
He must have taken lessons from Clinton, depends on what is
is! Then went to the girl reporter that was embedded and she
said THE TROOPS DID NOT SEARCH FOR WEAPONS. |
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Anker-Klanker Admiral
Joined: 04 Sep 2004 Posts: 1033 Location: Richardson, TX
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Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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One of the significant points in today's revelations is that no one knows what happened to those explosives - AND MOST CERTAINLY NOT THE DNC AND KERRY!!! |
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next generation Seaman Recruit
Joined: 09 Aug 2004 Posts: 46
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Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | twicearound wrote: | Anyone hear this, hubby said Rush commented on the fact that Kerry mentioned (that ammo dump) in the second debate. How did he know then, what did he know, when did he know, and who told him. Do the dates add up. Smelly that he infers something that just now comes out.
Are we just hearing things? |
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I am POSITIVE that you're right. When I read about this story, I knew I'd heard Kerry already say this, just didn't remember where. He DEFINITELY referred to the ammo dump that we allegedly didn't guard, and now our troops are being hit with car bombs made from the explosives.
I just the other day deleted our recording of the debate, but I'm sure it's still available at C-SPAN.
My husband, who's reading over my shoulder, says, "It's not even coordination, it's collusion!". |
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noc PO1
Joined: 24 Aug 2004 Posts: 492 Location: Dublin, CA
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Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 12:08 am Post subject: |
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AP is repeating NBC backtrack
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/apmideast_story.asp?category=1107&slug=Iraq%20Weapons
Al-Qaqaa spokesman says no weapons search
By KIMBERLY HEFLING
ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER
EVANSVILLE, Ind. -- The first U.S. military unit to reach the Al-Qaqaa military installation after the invasion of Iraq did not have orders to search for the nearly 400 tons of explosives that Iraqi officials say were stolen from the site sometime following the fall of Baghdad, the unit spokesman said Tuesday.
When the troops from the 101st Airborne Division's 2nd Brigade arrived at the Al-Qaqaa base a day or so after Baghdad's fall on April 9, 2003, there were already looters throughout the facility, Lt. Col. Fred Wellman, deputy public affairs officer for the unit, told The Associated Press.
The soldiers "secured the area they were in and looked in a limited amount of bunkers to ensure chemical weapons were not present in their area," Wellman wrote in an e-mail message. "Bombs were found but not chemical weapons in that immediate area.
"Orders were not given from higher to search or to secure the facility or to search for HE type munitions, as they (high-explosive weapons) were everywhere in Iraq," he wrote.
His remarks appeared to confirm the observations of an NBC reporter embedded with the army unit who said Tuesday that she saw no signs that the Americans searched for the powerful explosives during their 24 hours at the facility en route to Baghdad, 30 miles to the north.
The disappearance, which the International Atomic Energy Agency reported Monday to the U.N. Security Council, has raised questions about why the United States didn't do more to secure the facility and failed to allow full international inspections to resume after the March 2003 invasion.
On Tuesday, Russia, citing the disappearance, called on the U.N. Security Council to discuss the return of U.N. weapons inspectors to Iraq. But the United States said American inspectors were investigating the loss and that there is no need for U.N. experts to return.
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URGENT:
They keep repeating this assertion:
"Iraq's Ministry of Science and Technology told the IAEA the explosives disappeared sometime after coalition forces took control of Baghdad on April 9, 2003."
But the fact is that there is NO evidence that this is the case. The DOD has reported that the military searched the site on April 10th, 2003 and did not find any HE with UN seals.
We need to echo this.
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Oct2004/n10262004_2004102606.html
However, coalition forces found no evidence of the weapons in question when they first arrived at the sprawling Al-Quaqaa facility, 30 miles south of Baghdad, about April 10, 2003, according to a defense official.
The troops searched 32 bunkers and 87 other buildings, finding some weapons and explosive material, but nothing close to the quantity reported missing by the Iraqi government, and none with IAEA seals, he said. |
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sleeplessinseattle LCDR
Joined: 10 Sep 2004 Posts: 430
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Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 12:28 am Post subject: |
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Rdtf wrote: | Is this Mapes at it again? She isn't fired yet? |
The Lame Stream Media will try to sweep all this under the rug - especially after Nov. 2nd...they think we'll go away then and not hold DAn BlaTHer and Mapes accountable for destroying the Fourth Estate...but they have and we won't...and they will be held accountable... |
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DaveL Commander
Joined: 25 Aug 2004 Posts: 300
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Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 12:42 am Post subject: |
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http://www.nationalreview.com/kerry/kerry200410261714.asp
Quote: | Other Pentagon officials, also speaking on condition of anonymity, suggested that the explosives could have been hidden elsewhere before the war. They also stressed that there is no evidence HMX or RDX have been used against coalition forces in Iraq. |
Forensic analysis of improvised explosive devices used in Iraq show that HMX and RDX are not being used by the terrorists...couple this with the implausible logistics of terrorists covertly moving and hiding 300+ tons of high explosives within an occupied country without being detected, and you can only come to the conclusion that Sadam had the explosives moved before the war. And, if he moved the explosives to a location that we have not discovered, then it follows logically that it is highly likely that he was able to move and hide all sorts of other WMD materials as well.
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Otis Seaman
Joined: 24 Aug 2004 Posts: 165 Location: Bellevue, Washington
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Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 12:46 am Post subject: |
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Inatizzy wrote: | Charles Krauthammer just knocked it out of the park. He shut up the whole panel. He said that those explosives should have already been destroyed by the Atomic Energy Commission according to some armistice agreement. |
This is a quote from the defenselink link from noc's last post:
'During that visit, the U.N. inspectors counted the munitions and equipment and tagged them with IAEA seals that indicate they are "dual use," or have conventional-weapons applications. These munitions were generally permitted to remain in Iraq.'
If Krauthammer is correct it means the much vaunted inspectors weren't doing their job. If that is true this thing could just get better and better. This could really blow up in Kerry's stupid face.
Do I really understand this correctly? _________________ "It is not a smear, if you please, if you point out the record of your opponent."
-Murray Chotiner-
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Rdtf CNO
Joined: 13 May 2004 Posts: 2209 Location: BUSHville
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Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 12:47 am Post subject: |
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remember there were so many people sick as dogs after the gulf war? And it took the US military forever to acknowledge the 'gulf war syndrome?' Wasn't there a conclusion drawn that he was using something against our troops then? |
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PC PO3
Joined: 29 Aug 2004 Posts: 257 Location: Southern California
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truthserum Seaman
Joined: 12 Sep 2004 Posts: 190 Location: Cincinnati, OH
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Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 12:52 am Post subject: |
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The scariest thing about this whole new episode of the media attempting to take down Bush, is that the collusion follows -Baredei to Kerry to NYT to CBS to LAT to , in other words it almost appears that somehow Kerry was colluding with baredei and the UN to take out Bush. In other words the UN is attempting to move in upon us even prior to the election.
I don't know about all of you, but I feel scared out of my wits over this. _________________ Sister to a Marine vet who served in Vietnam and proud of it.
PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN! |
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Rdtf CNO
Joined: 13 May 2004 Posts: 2209 Location: BUSHville
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Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 12:53 am Post subject: Re: Hugh Hewitt |
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from that post:
" What John Kerry doesn't know or doesn't understand is that we seized more than 280,000 tons that were detonated already. We seized another 160,000 tons that are pending detonation. You know, Hugh, every day that I was in Iraq, every single day, for the four months I was there, every aftrenoon at 12 o'clock in the afternoon, there were massive explosions out by the international airport. It was the U.S. military blowing this stuff up. People have to realize that all of Iraq was a weapons cache. The whole country was saturated with explosives. And this is what President Bush meant when he talked about the threat. This was a part of that threat. We have been addressing the issue since we got there. The problem is that John Kerry just doesn't have a clue."
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