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Fort Campbell
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I sent this to John Gibson and Sean Hannity at FOX.
I hope someone picks up on some of Zell Miller's speeches. He is very effective. I know of several undecideds who decided to vote for Bush soley because of Zell Miller. |
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kimberly
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| Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 11:50 am Post subject: |
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Announced this morning on Fox: watch Part III of a series on O'Reilly. Tonight suppose to be about Kerry and what 'really' happened in Vietnam.
O'Reilly's been running this series, I've watched some, but don't know how he will report his information. He's been hard on the swifties, so it may not be good, too bad he's not focusing on what happened AFTER Vietnam and the new information.
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Rdtf
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| Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 12:08 pm Post subject: |
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Have ya'll been up ALL NIGHT LONG?
I love it!
I'm emailing everyone I haven't emailed yet today. I want to put out flyers around at the apartments nearby tonight, and also email them out but I want to do something 'approved.' There is a thread in the main forum where we asked Navy Chief if he wants to do it... stay tuned.
New Ad on Navy Chief's Documents?
http://www2.swiftvets.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=14620 |
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Nomorelies
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| Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 12:24 pm Post subject: |
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I just got up early to check on the progress and it seems that this story has been essentially dropped from the blogosphere. What's going on?
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kimberly
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| Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 12:30 pm Post subject: |
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Chief's story seems to have been swallowed up by the controversy over the weapons story.
And now the ap is reporting, again, on Bush's military record.
I posted awhile back and asked a question about Chief's discovery and any connection or support it might lend to the petition I signed a while back for indictment. That petition was delivered to Bill Frist. It would seem to me that IF the documents support the claims made in the indictment, that Frist needs to be bombarded with Chief's information.
Wouldn't Frist be the one to take any action?
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NavyChief
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| Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 12:32 pm Post subject: Re: NavyChief -Please Confirm |
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| DoGooder wrote: | Navy Chief:
When did you start looking into the archives for the Communist angle? Is it in the chat boards anywhere?
Thanks |
It was never my intention to look for a Communist angle at the Texas Tech archives. I was there looking at Amnesty files and going through Admiral Zumwalt's files since he had folders on Kerry. I wanted to see what Admiral Zumwalt had in regards to the Vietnam documents. I stumbled on the Anti-war documents and about crapped my pants when I saw the documents in question.
I called some folks to get help and see if they would pay for a couple of extra days of research. I'm flat broke and couldn't keep paying for a hotel and rental car to do this work. They sent Tom Wyld down to help me and between us both we began to concentrate on just the Anti-war boxes. You wouldn't believe how much Douglas Pike had collected.
Then we met with Ambassador Phong, former negotiator for South Vietnam to the Paris Peace Talks... He was great and his story should be coming out soon.
- Chief
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chemical_boy
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| Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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Has there been any mention of this on the MSM evening News?
Foxnews?
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MJB
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| Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 1:07 pm Post subject: |
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I'm guessing we have a pause in the action - since the explosives *cough* made up story *cough* has been sucking the oxygen out of the atmosphere, yes?
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reasonable
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| Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 1:09 pm Post subject: Re: NavyChief -Please Confirm |
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| NavyChief wrote: | | It was never my intention to look for a Communist angle at the Texas Tech archives....I stumbled on the Anti-war documents |
This one isn't available online but it is listed in the collection. It turned up when I searched for articles with "John Kerry" and VVAW in them, so it might have something of interest. From the title it sounds like something the North Vietnamese would have written. Do you recall seing it?
Record 157697 See Full Report
Title: Destroy The Last Vestiges of The Barbaric War (1 pages)
Collection: Douglas Pike Collection: Unit 03 - Antiwar Activities
Date: 03 May 1971
Media Type: Document (.pdf)
Item Number: 2150901051
To access the search engine:
http://star.vietnam.ttu.edu/starweb/vva/servlet.starweb
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NavyChief
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| Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 1:13 pm Post subject: Re: NavyChief -Please Confirm |
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| reasonable wrote: | | NavyChief wrote: | | It was never my intention to look for a Communist angle at the Texas Tech archives....I stumbled on the Anti-war documents |
This one isn't available online but it is listed in the collection. It turned up when I searched for articles with "John Kerry" and VVAW in them, so it might have something of interest. From the title it sounds like something the North Vietnamese would have written. Do you recall seing it?
Record 157697 See Full Report
Title: Destroy The Last Vestiges of The Barbaric War (1 pages)
Collection: Douglas Pike Collection: Unit 03 - Antiwar Activities
Date: 03 May 1971
Media Type: Document (.pdf)
Item Number: 2150901051 |
Yes, I have this. It was an article written by Kerry right after the Spring Offensive by the VVAW in 1971... It is sickening because he is doing the exact same thing now with Iraq and our troops will be called "baby-killers" and spat on when they return if Kerry keeps going.
- Chief
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arymann
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| Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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Linda Chavez looks at why the media is not covering this.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/lindachavez/lc20041027.shtml
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The media plays 'trick or treat'
Linda Chavez
October 27, 2004
The media are too busy repackaging old Iraq news in an October offensive against President George W. Bush's reelection to investigate truly startling evidence unearthed this week that the Communist Party may have been directing John Kerry's anti-war activities in the early 1970s. The evidence, contained in captured communist records on file at the Vietnam Center at Texas Tech University, shows a well-coordinated effort by the Communist Party to recruit American servicemen and officers to become part of the American anti-war movement. The objective was to organize high-profile activities to undermine support for the Vietnam War, including holding hearings on alleged war crimes, lobbying Congress to oppose the war, exploiting the families of American POWs and urging servicemen to return their service medals.
Not only did John Kerry and his group Vietnam Veterans Against the War follow this game plan, but Kerry went to Paris to meet with the communist official designated as the point of contact for guiding these activities. In June 1970, Kerry met with Madame Binh, foreign minister of the Provisional Revolutionary Government (Viet Cong) of South Vietnam and a delegate to the Paris Peace Talks. The documents discovered this weekend -- one titled "Circular on Antiwar Movements in the U.S." was disseminated in Vietnam in the spring of 1971, and the other titled "Directive" was captured by the U.S. in April 1971 -- are available for viewing at www.wintersoldier.com. They reveal a detailed plan to use antiwar activists in the U.S. as propagandists for the communist cause in Vietnam.
So why isn't the mainstream media all over this story? If John Kerry -- wittingly or not -- was carrying out directives from Hanoi, or perhaps even Moscow, the American people have the right to know before they decide whether to elect him president on Tuesday. But the networks and major dailies were too busy covering a hysterical report that 380 tons of explosives went missing from an Iraqi depot in the early days of the U.S. invasion to inquire into John Kerry's dubious activities in the anti-war movement.
On Monday, the New York Times "broke" the story of the purported looting of weapons from an Iraqi arms depot. "Huge Cache of Explosives Vanished from Site in Iraq" screamed the front-page Times headline, which was picked up by all the major networks and newspapers, not to mention the Kerry campaign. CBS's "60 Minutes" was also set to air a story on Sunday -- two days before the election -- aimed at convincing viewers that the administration had carelessly let the al Qaqaa depot be looted of its powerful explosives, the kind that might even be used to detonate a nuclear device. "Our plan was to run the story on Oct. 31, but it became clear that it wouldn't hold," CBS executive producer Jeff Fager said in a statement.
In fact, the "missing explosives" story was more media campaign ploy than real news. There is substantial evidence that most of the explosives were either destroyed by U.S. bombing prior to the invasion or were already gone by the time U.S. troops arrived at al Qaqaa on April 10, 2003, according to NBC, which had a reporter embedded with the Army's 101st Airborne Division at the time. Furthermore, the U.S. has already destroyed or is in the process of destroying more than 400,000 tons of similar material in Iraq, a fact conveniently ignored by much of the media.
The media rule seems to be if a story might hurt George W. Bush, play it up big; if it might help Bush, bury it; and if might hurt John Kerry, ignore it altogether. In an election as close as this one, the media's role could be decisive. We used to expect the candidates to unleash their own October surprise in an effort to sway the voters at the last minute. Now it's the media that plays that game. Come Halloween, it's media tricks for Bush and treats for Kerry.
Linda Chavez is President of the Center for Equal Opportunity, a Townhall.com member organization. |
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reasonable
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| Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 1:18 pm Post subject: Re: NavyChief -Please Confirm |
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| NavyChief wrote: | Yes, I have this. It was an article written by Kerry right after the Spring Offensive by the VVAW in 1971... It is sickening because he is doing the exact same thing now with Iraq and our troops will be called "baby-killers" and spat on when they return if Kerry keeps going.
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So I'm guessing there's nothing we haven't seen already in (for example) New Soldier, or it would have been posted by now. |
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chemical_boy
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| Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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I posted both articles to another forum, that is frequented by a lot of leftwingers. There have been almost 230 views of the thread, the resident conservatives have responded, but only one leftwinger has bothered to respond.
This is what he posted, he didn't even bother to read the New York Sun article
| Quote: | have a few questions about these documents:
1) Why are internal Vietnamese memoranda written in English?
2) Has anyone checked the type-set? |
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drjohn
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| Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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"I called some folks to get help and see if they would pay for a couple of extra days of research. I'm flat broke and couldn't keep paying for a hotel and rental car to do this work."
What do you need, Chief? |
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