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carpro Admin
Joined: 10 May 2004 Posts: 1176 Location: Texas
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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mikest wrote: | MikeWinn wrote: | Mikest, i'm calling the question. As I asked before,
I only have one question for you, Mikest. Do you think Kerry has acted well as a senator on behalf of his constituants in the last year? |
I think Kerry could have done a much better job, but I would have to see a list of votes missed, made and the vote counts for all of them. Since partisanship is at such a high and moderates of each party are so few and far between, there are very few votes that are open to a different outcome.
But my question to you is, do you agree that this was a political ploy that should not be done by either party? |
Mike, we wouldn't be having this discussion if Kerry had done the right thing for his Mass. constituents, RESIGN to run for president. He just doesn't have the guts or honor of a Bob Dole. _________________ "If he believes his 1971 indictment of his country and his fellow veterans was true, then he couldn't possibly be proud of his Vietnam service." |
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mikest PO2
Joined: 11 May 2004 Posts: 377
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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Carpro
I go back to the other rule change I talked about. If the appointment of his successor required him to be of the same party, that would make sense. But the way it is now the GOP gov of Mass would appoint a Republican which would change the dynamics of the Senate. Both rule changes would be far more fair to both parties and the electorate as a whole.
Bob Dole was replaced by a Republican. I think it is much less likely that he would have resigned had his replacement been a dem. Obviously, there is no way to be sure of that, but it is one of the dynamics that has to be looked at when contemplating a move like that. Since this is something that obviously hurts Kerry in the general, do you really think that the GOP in Mass would be calling for Kerry to resign? |
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Scott Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy
Joined: 24 May 2004 Posts: 1603 Location: Massachusetts
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 2:36 am Post subject: |
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mikest wrote: | Sure, the GOP has run congress with a model of integrity in mind. They have always stayed within the normal paramiters of time like the medicare vote, they would never try and bribe or threaten someone for a vote, again like medicare. They have never intentionally stacked a vote to make Kerry look bad, like the overtime vote. They always consult the opposing party in the creation of bills. And then when the vote is about veterans benifits, something I would think would be of interest to this site, they are totally honest and vote on it when schedualed. |
What's your opinion on the Senate Democrats' (never-before-seen-in-history) filibuster of judicial nominees? Which, BTW, I've never seen John Kerry oppose?
It's OK with you that the minority party changes the rules from a majority vote to a super-majority (2/3) vote? Or do you just think that the Democrats are "as bad" as the Republicans? _________________ Bye bye, Boston Straggler! |
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Scott Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy
Joined: 24 May 2004 Posts: 1603 Location: Massachusetts
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 2:45 am Post subject: Re: Kerry Cancels Campaign Trip for Vote |
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NoDonkey wrote: | I answered my own question by going to Kerry's appalling website - here's what the nitwit said in a speech in May:
"Today, each time you make a health care transaction, it costs up to $25. The same transactions in other industries, like a bank, cost less than a penny because of better technology. As President, I’ll bring better technology to our health care system, cutting costs for families and reducing the medical errors that cost lives."
Bringing better technology I assume means funding better technology, which will cost hundreds of billions of dollars. |
Worse news:
I know a couple of people who work for Medical Information Technologies, which is the fifth largest provider of Computer Information Systems to the health care industry in the world. I've got bad news; unless Kerry gives direct grants to hospitals to upgrade their antiquated computer hardware systems (anyone remember DEC? Data General?), all the "software" and "clinical systems" technology isn't going to do a thing. The problems are intrinsic to the underlying system integration technology in health care.
Not to mention HIPAA, which has had most of the IS and software people chasing their tails for months, if not years, now. _________________ Bye bye, Boston Straggler! |
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mikest PO2
Joined: 11 May 2004 Posts: 377
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 3:00 am Post subject: |
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Scott
think it sucks but the rules were changed when the GOP took over. It used to be that annon holds could be put on nominees, which sucked as well because you should have the guts to show your face, but that rule was thrown out. IIRC, there were about 3 or 4 held up wth the fill while there were quite a few more with the holds. |
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Marine's Wife PO3
Joined: 10 May 2004 Posts: 267
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 3:07 am Post subject: Subject |
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I watch C-SPAN. You can see,and hear everything everyone has to say,good,bad,or stupid.....the reason a lot of good bills don't pass,is the fact that they play the "good ol' boy game"= "you scratch my back,I'll scratch yours."
Many good bills die,because they have to add their pork,which in most cases is UNRELATED to the bill. Not everyone is willing to sell his/her soul. But enough to kill a bill.
Then there's Tom Dasshole,who refuses to let some even come to the floor. I've seen Robert Byrd stand and talk to nothing but the camera,to delay, as instructed by Dasshole. And THAT'S A FACT! |
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carpro Admin
Joined: 10 May 2004 Posts: 1176 Location: Texas
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 4:15 am Post subject: |
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mikest wrote: | Carpro
I go back to the other rule change I talked about. If the appointment of his successor required him to be of the same party, that would make sense. But the way it is now the GOP gov of Mass would appoint a Republican which would change the dynamics of the Senate. Both rule changes would be far more fair to both parties and the electorate as a whole.
Bob Dole was replaced by a Republican. I think it is much less likely that he would have resigned had his replacement been a dem. Obviously, there is no way to be sure of that, but it is one of the dynamics that has to be looked at when contemplating a move like that. Since this is something that obviously hurts Kerry in the general, do you really think that the GOP in Mass would be calling for Kerry to resign? |
We may never know what Dole would have done if he knew that a Dem would have been appointed in his place, but at least we wonder.
You NEVER have to wonder about Kerry. His personal ambition and goals ALWAYS come first. The SWifties and other vets are living testimony to that.
Ask any of them. _________________ "If he believes his 1971 indictment of his country and his fellow veterans was true, then he couldn't possibly be proud of his Vietnam service." |
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Theresa Alwood Rear Admiral
Joined: 05 Jun 2004 Posts: 631 Location: Florida
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 4:59 am Post subject: |
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Mikest...I just do not think you get the whole picture. Ask Scott about Kerry's voting record. Scott is from Mass! Kerry just is not the man I want in charge and there is just no way I could ever vote for him. I would vote for Clinton before I could ever vote for Kerry. Kerry lied about Vietnam and caused men to die! I can not and never will respect a man like Kerry (and I use that term man loosely when it comes to John Kerry). Kerry even topped Teddy Kennedy in his voting record! Kerry's voting record is above an 85% in the liberal views. I just do not believe that the majority of this country is THAT liberal, nor do I believe the people in Mass are. We need to be very careful over the next couple of years of who is elected into the Supreme Court. I do not want the ultimate court to be like the controversial 9th district court in CA. They are so far to the left that they can get any ruling right and are often over turned. The last person I want assigning any judges IS John Kerry.
You have got to really sit down and get news sources other than those you are currently reading...or at least expand to a little more to the center to see what the rest of this country is thinking and believing. Just listen to the other news. I do not always agree with every news source I read or watch...but I do admit I am a news junkie and it drives my family nuts. Like most vets, this election, or I should say this man, John Kerry hit a very raw nerve. I just can not see this man get into office...anyone would be better than him.
I just happen to also like George W. Bush. My views are not as conservative, but in today's age you CAN NOT be a one issue voter. You must look at the individual as a whole....if this war on terror spreads to the US...who do you want in charge? Think about that! I truly believe with everything happening and how these terrorist think that unless we defeat them, World War III will look like child's play. They will bring a whole new way of fighting that we have never seen before. Maybe you think I am all gloom and doom...but I truly believe that what happens in Israel on a daily basis will be ten times worse here in the US if we do not end this now. I am not sure how...but I am sure of who that man should be....George W. Bush. |
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sdpatriot Ensign
Joined: 16 Jun 2004 Posts: 50 Location: SD
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LewWaters Admin
Joined: 18 May 2004 Posts: 4042 Location: Washington State
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 5:33 am Post subject: |
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And how did our great advocate of Veterans do?
Quote: | Kerry Flops in Rare Appearance at Work
Wednesday, June 23, 2004
Poor John Kerry. After months of refusing to do the job for which he is still on the American taxpayers' dole, he deigned to make a rare appearance yesterday in the U.S. Senate. But it was all for naught.
Kerry spent seven whole hours in Washington waiting to vote on a proposal to increase spending on veterans' health care, then finally took off to beg for money from his fellow travelers in San Francisco.
Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle grumbled that Majority Leader Bill Frist said Kerry should not be allowed to "parachute down and have a vote" after skipping work for so long.
During his rare appearance in the Senate, Kerry took the floor to accuse Republicans of refusing Democrats the "normal courtesy" of voting on a proposal. He did not mention that he has repeatedly failed to display the "normal courtesy" of showing up for work and that Democrats have repeatedly refused the "normal courtesy" of voting on President Bush's nominees.
His handlers issued a statement claiming, "There is no group more important to John Kerry's presidential campaign than veterans, and there is no issue more important to veterans than their access to health care."
In reality, the liberal Boston Globe revealed today that Kerry has missed at least three votes on veterans' issues so far this year.
And the Globe disclosed that Kerry's absenteeism rate this year is not the previously reported 87 percent. It's 89 percent. Yet Kerry insisted again Tuesday that he would not resign from the job that he has repeatedly refused to do. |
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/6/23/104532.shtml |
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mikest PO2
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 6:44 am Post subject: |
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So did Hastert. But he also got a 100 from the Disabled American Veterans. |
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mikest PO2
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 6:48 am Post subject: |
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Lew
In case you didn't see the beginning of the thread, that is what we were talking about. Of course it didn't start with such a biased source. Read the first page if you want my take. |
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LewWaters Admin
Joined: 18 May 2004 Posts: 4042 Location: Washington State
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 7:34 am Post subject: |
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Mike, the article I presented also gave other information. On the first page, there is one mention of the vote being delayed or cancelled. The article I gave, even though you don't like the source, did bring out other information, if you'd like to scroll back up and actually read it |
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Snipe Senior Chief Petty Officer
Joined: 03 Jun 2004 Posts: 574 Location: Peoria, Illinois
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 12:24 pm Post subject: |
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Cancelled a campaign trip to New Mexico did he? Yesterday morning,
on my way to work, I was listening to Don Wade and Roma on WLS
Chicago. They reported that Kerry gave a speech to the Apache Indians
on their reservation. He went on about all the "Indian" bills that he had
voted for in his tenure in the Senate. The Indians thanked him and gave
him the Indian name of Running Eagle...a bird so full of crap that it can't
fly. Probably just an urban legend, but I'd like to think that it is true. _________________ Tin Can Sailor |
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NoDonkey Seaman Apprentice
Joined: 02 Jun 2004 Posts: 78 Location: Arlington, VA
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 12:57 pm Post subject: Re: Kerry Cancels Campaign Trip for Vote |
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Scott wrote: |
Worse news:
I know a couple of people who work for Medical Information Technologies, which is the fifth largest provider of Computer Information Systems to the health care industry in the world. I've got bad news; unless Kerry gives direct grants to hospitals to upgrade their antiquated computer hardware systems (anyone remember DEC? Data General?), all the "software" and "clinical systems" technology isn't going to do a thing. The problems are intrinsic to the underlying system integration technology in health care.
Not to mention HIPAA, which has had most of the IS and software people chasing their tails for months, if not years, now. |
Exactly. Perhaps the 22 year old staffers that dug this "fact" up for the nitwit Kerry might tell him that it costs $25 oftentimes because it's being done with paper and pencil? And, the health care industry is by far the most heavily regulated and most often sued industry in the nation? It will take hundreds of billions to get that transaction cost down to $.01, and that's even more than all the rich women Kerry has married thus far are worth.
Reagan said we would grow our way out of the deficit. Does John Kerry think he can marry our way out of one? _________________ "Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face." - Thomas Sowell |
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