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Theresa Alwood
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 Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 5:13 am Post subject: What will Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 09-11 do? |
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Be surprised I am going to keep this short as I am tired tonight. But I was wondering with Michael Moore releasing his controversial Fahrenheit 09-11 and since it is so negative towards the US and President Bush what is going to happen when this is released into the Arab world? They are going to run all over with this and how much more danger will this put our troops all because one jerk in Hollywood has got to the most angriest man on the face of the earth! This film will do so much more damage that the Iraqi abuse EVER could. All because one man is such a jerk! I would love to use something else but can't. This movie is just so full of lies and so far from the truth, but we all know that the Arab world will believe this is the truth because it is all they want to believe. This movie will set us back 10 years in trying to get anything accomplished in the middle east. It is hard enough to get the Arab world to believe anything positive we have done...and they will surely see this as the truth because some *** from the US made it. Heaven help up. We are going to need it.
I am going to call my local theater and inform them that if they show this movie I will NEVER return to see another movie. I just can not let this happen without saying something.
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I think the backlash we see in the Middle East because of the Abu Ghraib situation is just a tiny taste of what's going to happen when Moore's fraud-umentary hits the fan.
Unfortunately, movie theaters don't care how many people claim they will boycott - they know that in time, tempers will settle down and there'll be a must-see feature showing nowhere else in town.
And far be it from the movie industry to self-regulate and call it for the fiction that it is or (heaven forbid) refuse to show it because it gives aid and comfort to the enemy.
Can you imagine a movie like this being made during WWII?
At least it got an R rating. That will at least keep kids from being able to see it in school without parental approval. (And you KNOW the NEA will be pushing to add it to curricula this fall.)
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What is a movie?  |
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BrianC
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| It should have receieved an "F" rating, for FICTION. |
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fortdixlover
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| Navy_Navy_Navy wrote: |
At least it got an R rating. That will at least keep kids from being able to see it in school without parental approval. (And you KNOW the NEA will be pushing to add it to curricula this fall.) |
Think again.
Michael Moore Wants Your Children
By Tammy Bruce
FrontPageMagazine.com | June 23, 2004
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=13911
Today, the system worked. The Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA) upheld their “R” rating for Michael Moore’s “Fahrenheit 9/11,” a crass smear of this nation in general and President Bush specifically. The movie is scheduled for release in New York on Wednesday and nationwide on Friday.
MPAA ratings are determined by a panel of parents, who found obscene language, piles of dead bodies, injured children and a beheading worthy of an “R” rating in “Fahrenheit 9/11.” Frankly, it sounds to me like it deserves an X. An R at least means no one under 17 years of age will be allowed into the film without a parent or guardian.
This is what so enraged Moore and his comrades at Lions Gate Films, the distributor of the film.
David Germain of the Associated Press reported on Tuesday, June 22, that Tom Ortenberg, president of Lions Gate, argued that the rating should be reduced to PG-13. That way 15- and 16-year-olds could be free to see the film on their own, which he says is important because they could end up in the military serving in Iraq in the next few years.
But he didn’t stop there. Here the obsession with getting to children becomes clear:
"I hope the R rating doesn't have a large impact on the box office," Ortenberg said. “I've spoken with many parents, including some on the appeals board, who absolutely said they are going to take their children to see the film. We'll just have to hope the teenagers we're encouraging to see this picture find their way in through parents or adult guardians,” Germain said.
While Ortenberg is being a bit subtle, his intent is clear. He makes this statement after declaring that 15- and 16- year olds should be able to see it, states they’re encouraging children to see it and then adds, coyly, that kids should “find their way in.”
Still not convinced? Take it from Michael Moore, who would not know subtlety even if it came on a plate. Germain reported:
“Moore urged younger teenagers to go see the film anyway. 'I encourage all teenagers to come see my movie, by any means necessary. If you need me to sneak you in, let me know,' he said.”
I was fascinated at these mens' frenzy to have access to children. This is in part because leftists know, in order to control the future, they must get to your child’s mind without your interference.
I sent this note to my personal e-mail list and heard immediately from David Horowitz, president of the Center for the Study of Popular Culture and founder of FrontPage Magazine, who shed an even more frightening light on their agenda. David reminded me that a PG-13 rating also allows secondary school distribution for a film. Talk about unfettered access to a captive group of your children!
I’m sure they fantasized about thousands of DVDs being sent, at no cost of course, to high school history and civics teachers nationwide. This message would then have the legitimacy in your child’s eye of being presented in a school environment where they are to accept and “learn” whatever is thrown their way.
The agenda of Michael Moore and Tom Ortenberg is obvious. They know adults will and do see this film as propaganda, and will dismiss it accordingly. Children, on the other hand, do not have the critical thinking skills required to understand when they’re being taken for a ride by an angry and miserable man. And children must see it without that pesky parent who might actually put things in context or provide a running editorial with the material.
That, my dear friends, they cannot have.
I wrote a letter to Mr. Ortenberg calling his attention to the shocking nature of what he was suggesting. I wrote in part:
“The rating is there so *parents* can determine what their children see. Your encouragement is essentially suggesting that strangers, like you and Mr. Moore, have the right to go to people's homes and encourage children to ignore their parents and disobey them.
“Who are you to suggest this?
“You have every right to release the film. How dare you, though, suggest that parents have lost the right to raise their children based on their values.
“Considering your attitude, I would think you don't have children, but think about the repercussions if a stranger approached children important to you and told them to ignore your instructions? Or if strangers walked into your office and suggested your staff follow *their* orders and not yours?
“I think that's something you wouldn't appreciate.
“Please consider retracting that comment, and encourage children to respect what an "R" rating is for (whether you like it or not) and that respecting their parents’ wishes is of paramount importance.
“If you *don't* agree with those two principles, I think that, too, would be fascinating to Americans.
“Please do the right thing.”
During my tenure on the Left as a leader in NOW, I recognized how, in our zeal to promote our agenda, we became indecent. Here, too, you see the results of Groupthink and Malignant Narcissism jammed together. Not only do these people believe they have sole possession of the truth, they are also convinced they know what’s best for your children. Your concerns, your values and your rejection of the propaganda of that film’s maliciousness and hate are of no concern to them. They know what’s best and they are determined to access your children one way or the other.
And all this for a film that has been, amazingly, endorsed by the terrorist group Hezbollah! Unbelievable? Not quite. Melanie Morgan, one of the nation’s more important radio talk show hosts, has established www.moveamericaforward.org, a site that shows how to fight anti-Americanism here at home and abroad. She has compiled one of the more complete information bases about Moore’s agenda and the nature of his demagogic film, including background on the Moore’s Hezbollah support. I urge you visit her site.
Here’s a newsflash to Ortenberg and Moore — the American people may be silent a great deal of the time, but you should not mistake that as us being empty vessels waiting to be told what to do by people of your ilk. We are tolerant, and we care about freedom of expression, but that does not mean we will offer up our children to be guided by self-loathing malignant narcissists who, to say the least, do not have our, or anyone else’s, best interest in mind.
It takes a lot for the American people to say enough is enough. Viacom and CBS provided one of those last straws with Janet Jackson and the Superbowl. Perhaps they should ask Mel Karmazin (who has since resigned from Viacom) what it’s like when we’ve had enough. Ask him what happens when the American people are underestimated by cultural gatekeepers who must think we’re just a bunch of lemmings hoping for Michael Moore to lead us off his cliff.
Like the Super Bowl fiasco, Tom Ortenberg and his Lions Gate Films and Michael Moore should know we are awake, we are listening and we don’t like what we’re hearing. They can make and distribute whatever film they want, but going after children, and doing so blatantly and with complete disdain for parents in this nation, will wake up a giant they could never imagine. This is the least of the line we draw.
Would you like to remind Tom Ortenberg, Lions Gate Films and Michael Moore that you will be the determiner of you child’s values, not them? Here’s how you can, and remember, a message is heard only when presented with reason and logic, and respect. At the very least it will remind them what they lack:
Tom Ortenberg, the president of Lions gate Entertainment can be e-mailed at tortenberg@lgecorp.com
The Lions gate website is at: http://www.lionsgatefilms.com/index_flash.html
A variety of e-mail options for Michael Moore is at:
http://www.michaelmoore.com/email/index.php. |
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nakona
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I don't believe the movie is going to have much of an impact ANYWHERE.
You have three groups of people:
1) Those who accept anything Moore says as gospel truth.
2) Those who believe that Moore is a liar.
3) Everyone else.
It's only category three that could be affected by the movie, and it wont have too much of an effect, BECAUSE...
The entire reason that those people are IN category three is because they are very skeptical of everything, and tend to wait before making up their minds.
The film is SO over the top, into outright silliness, that anyone in group 3 is going to be skeptical of the entire movie, and if they seek out information on it, they will quickly come across what WE already know.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 2:18 pm Post subject: Re: What will Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 09-11 do? |
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| Theresa Alwood wrote: |
What do you guys think about this? |
I think any public reaction serves his purpose, to include my own response within this thread...but, if it makes you feel better...  |
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Hattip: WSJ Political Diary
Appalling Filmmaker Meets Ugly Law
Six members of the Federal Election Commission will meet in Washington today to decide whether it's legal for Michael Moore to advertise his Bush-bashing "Fahrenheit 9/11" film on TV or radio without breaking federal law.
According to an opinion by the FEC's legal counsel, the movie's producer, Lions Gate Films, should be prohibited from running ads for "Fahrenheit" after July 30 because the McCain-Feingold campaign law prohibits any corporation (with a narrow exception for the news media) from running ads that even identify a candidate for president or Congress within 30 days of a primary election and within 60 days of a general election. Because Mr. Moore has publicly said the film is designed to defeat George W. Bush, there's no way it could be construed as other than a political effort.
Congressional members who voted for McCain-Feingold's restrictions on the First Amendment were no doubt assured that broad exemptions would exist for political speech. They were wrong. The FEC counsel's opinion is quite pointed in noting that the 2003 Supreme Court opinion upholding McCain-Feingold made clear that "the media exemption was 'narrow' and drew a distinction between 'corporations that are part of the media industry' as opposed to 'other corporations that are not involved in the regular business of imparting news to the public.'" Print and broadcast companies with news divisions meet the exemption standard; documentary film companies do not.
No one knows how the FEC will deal with this hot potato at its meeting today but the fact that the proposed muzzling of Michael Moore is on the agenda at all should be cause for concern. David Broder, the Washington Post columnist who championed the McCain-Feingold campaign reform law for years, has finally admitted it is unworkable. What the legal opinion of the FEC's general counsel proves is that it's also potentially dangerous to our freedoms
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I wish they had stayed out of it.
Simply put, the masses are asses, and while they are fully capable of figuring out that F9/11 is a propaganda piece, they would likely be susceptible to a charge that Bush is trying to censor the film.
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fortdixlover
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| ASPB wrote: | Hattip: WSJ Political Diary
Appalling Filmmaker Meets Ugly Law
Six members of the Federal Election Commission will meet in Washington today to decide whether it's legal for Michael Moore to advertise his Bush-bashing "Fahrenheit 9/11" film on TV or radio without breaking federal law.
[b]According to an opinion by the FEC's legal counsel, the movie's producer, Lions Gate Films, should be prohibited from running ads for "Fahrenheit" after July 30 |
This "film" will be as forgotten as "Liberal talk radio" long before July 30.
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Move America Foward has a free downloadable flyer on their site addressing this piece of trash masquerading as a movie. It is in Adobe PDF format, but here is a copy of what it says, if any don't use Adobe;
| Quote: | MICHAEL MOORE IS NOT TELLING YOU THE WHOLE TRUTH
If you have recently seen Michael Moore's film Fahrenheit 9/11, there's a lot you haven't been told. If you are interested in learning more about the man behind the message, his deceptive tactics, and what he really thinks of average Americans like you, read on.
Michael Moore is a master manipulator and a very creative filmmaker, two things that do not often translate into truthful documentaries. With this film he is actively courting the general public to his radical socialist message. Before you accept what you've seen as the truth, we urge you to do some research and see if what you find matches what you were told in Fahrenheit 9/11. Whether you are Republican or Democrat, liberal or conservative, you owe it to yourself to learn about Michael Moore's agenda, his beliefs, and the type of man he is. Consider both sides and make up your own mind.
IS FAHRENHEIT 9/11 FACTUALLY ACCURATE?
• Moore claims that President Bush arranged special flights to get the bin Laden family out of America. The truth is that former Terrorism Czar and Bush Administration critic Richard Clarke has stated that the decision was his and his alone, and the 9/11 Commission supports this claim.
• Moore claims that the only reason the US invaded Afghanistan was to build a pipeline. As of this writing the pipeline still has not been built, and there are no plans for one. Space prevents us from listing more of the many gross lies, half-truths, and distortions in this film.
MICHAEL MOORE HATES THE MILITARY
In Fahrenheit 9/11 Moore goes to great pains to paint himself as an ardent admirer of the men and women serving in the military, but the truth is remarkably different.
• Describing terrorists in Iraq: "The Iraqis who have risen up against the occupation are not 'insurgents' or 'terrorists' or 'The Enemy.' They are the REVOLUTION, the Minutemen, and their numbers will grow -- and they will win."
• Calling for the deaths of American soldiers: "I'm sorry, but the majority of Americans supported this war once it began and, sadly, that majority must now sacrifice their children until enough blood has been let that maybe -- just maybe – God and the Iraqi people will forgive us in the end."
MICHAEL MOORE HATES BUSINESS
Do you own a small business? Do you work for one? You might be interested to hear what Moore thinks of your contribution to America. On small businesses in Flint, Michigan: "You know in my town the small businesses that everyone wanted to protect? They were the people that supported all the right-wing groups. They were the Republicans in the town, they were in the Kiwanas, the Chamber of Commerce - people that kept the town all white. The small hardware salesman, the small clothing store salespersons . . . F___ all these small businesses - f___ 'em all! Bring in the chains! The small businesspeople are the rednecks that run the town and suppress the people. F___ 'em all. That's how I feel."
DOES MICHAEL MOORE THINK YOU'RE STUPID?
Moore has two different messages. In America, he plays the role of "hero of the common man." When in other countries, however, he debases and insults the very common Americans that he claims to represent.
• To German fans Moore asked, "Should such an ignorant people [Americans] lead the world?"
• When a Japanese interviewer remarked that Moore did not appear to like America very much, his response was, "I like America to some extent."
• In England, regarding American intelligence: "They are possibly the dumbest people on the planet."
• Moore seemed relieved to not be around his fellow Americans while in Canada: "Just for my own mental health, I need to go and sit in a room with 600 Canadians and watch this movie with them."
Are these the opinions of a man who respects you enough to tell you the unvarnished truth, or is he manipulating you in order to make money?
MOORE MANIPULATES VICTIMS
Moore held a screening of Bowling for Columbine in Littleton and charged admission the families of the victims.
• Columbine victim mother Anne Hechter: "It's laughable that Moore attempts to portray himself as an anti-establishment liberal who is the voice of the common folk, when in fact he is no better than the greedy capitalists he shuns. Maybe now that he has made millions of dollars off the blood of our children he could toss a DVD or two our way to view."
• Mark Taylor, one of the victims that Moore took to K-Mart headquarters, on Moore: "I am completely against him. He screwed me over. I had no idea what Moore's agenda was. And he had an agenda. He had it all planned out, completely. I believe that every American has the right to have a gun. We should have the right to protect ourselves."
FIND OUT THE TRUTH
Michael Moore is a media darling. The chances are that you have never heard any of the facts listed in this flyer. This is because the vast majority of the people in the major media agree with Moore's viewpoints and will do virtually nothing to challenge him. There are, however, numerous online resources where you can find out all of Moore's dirty secrets. The website address below contains links to get you started, as well as providing the sources for every fact presented in this flyer. Fahrenheit 9/11 ends with Moore telling you to "Do Something." We think that is excellent advice..
moorewatch.com/f911 |
http://www.moorewatch.com/f911flyer.pdf |
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nakona
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| blackfrancis wrote: |
it seems like a lot of people have seen it so far. |
And a lot of people are laughing at it and ridiculing both it and it's creator.
I realize that you may not be aware of that, because when you're part of the DU crowd, you get a lot of reinforcement of a lot of really lunatic fringe stuff, and not a lot of the real world filtering in.
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| nakona wrote: | | blackfrancis wrote: |
it seems like a lot of people have seen it so far. |
And a lot of people are laughing at it and ridiculing both it and it's creator.
I realize that you may not be aware of that, because when you're part of the DU crowd, you get a lot of reinforcement of a lot of really lunatic fringe stuff, and not a lot of the real world filtering in. |
all I said was that a lot of people have seen it. or maybe just a few, and they all bought a ton of tickets. judge all you like. |
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