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MJB
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| dmackto wrote: |
He really did look shaken. I think that little tidbit is going to play havoc with his narcissistic personality disorder.
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Deb, I wondered about that, too when I read this topic. Wonder if it will cause him to do something stupid (well...more stupid than he's doing).
And...why is this topic in Geedunk? Doesn't it pertain directly to our issues at hand? Inquiring minds want to know (are actually mildly curious...the mods do a great job on this board).
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| Quote: | What's that you say?
Narcissistic Personality Disorder - Diagnostic Criteria |
| Quote: | Narcissists are driven by the need to uphold and maintain a false self -- a concocted, grandiose, and demanding psychological construct typical of the narcissistic personality disorder. The false self is projected to the world in order to garner "narcissistic supply" -- adulation, admiration, or even notoriety and infamy. Any kind of attention is usually deemed by narcissists to be preferable to obscurity.
The false self is suffused with fantasies of perfection, grandeur, brilliance, infallibility, immunity, omnipotence, omnipresence, and omniscience. To be a narcissist is to be convinced of a great, inevitable personal destiny. The narcissist is preoccupied with ideal love, the construction of brilliant scientific theories, the composition of the greatest work of art, the founding of a new school of thought, the attainment of fabulous wealth, the reshaping of a nation or a conglomerate, and so on.
The narcissist never sets realistic goals to himself. He is forever preoccupied with fantasies of uniqueness, record breaking, or breathtaking achievements. His verbosity reflects this propensity.
Reality is, naturally, quite different and this gives rise to a "grandiosity gap." The demands of the false self are never satisfied by the narcissist's accomplishments, standing, wealth, sexual prowess, or knowledge. The narcissist's grandiosity and sense of entitlement are equally incommensurate with his achievements.
To bridge the grandiosity gap, the malignant (pathological) narcissist resorts to shortcuts. These very often lead to fraud.
The narcissist cares only about appearances. What matters to him is the facade of wealth and its attendant social status and narcissistic supply. Witness the travestied extravagance of Tyco's Denis Kozlowski. Media attention only exacerbates the narcissist's addiction and makes it incumbent on him to go to ever-wilder extremes to secure uninterrupted supply from this source.
The narcissist lacks empathy -- the ability to put himself in other people's shoes. He does not recognize boundaries -- personal, corporate, or legal. Everything and everyone are to him mere objects unconditionally and uncomplainingly available in his pursuit of narcissistic gratification.
This makes the narcissist perniciously exploitative. He uses, abuses, devalues, and discards even his nearest and dearest in the most chilling manner. The narcissist is obsessed with his overwhelming need to reduce his anxiety and regulate his sense of self-worth by securing a constant supply of his drug -- attention.
American executives acted without compunction when they raided their employees' pension funds, as did Robert Maxwell 12 years earlier in Britain.
The narcissist is convinced of his superiority -- cerebral or physical. To his mind, he is a Gulliver hamstrung by a horde of narrow-minded and envious Lilliputians. The dot-com "new economy" was infested with "visionaries" with a contemptuous attitude towards the mundane: profits, business cycles, conservative economists, doubtful journalists, and cautious analysts.
Yet, deep inside, the narcissist is painfully aware of his addiction to others -- their attention, admiration, applause, and affirmation. He despises himself for being thus dependent. He hates people the same way a drug addict hates his pusher. He wishes to "put them in their place," demonstrate to them how inadequate and imperfect they are in comparison to his regal self and how little he craves or needs them.
The narcissist regards himself as one would an expensive present: a gift to his company, family, neighbors, colleagues or country. This firm conviction of his inflated importance makes him feel entitled to special treatment, special outcomes, immediate gratification, obsequiousness, and leniency. It also makes him feel immune to mortal laws and somehow divinely protected and insulated from the inevitable consequences of his deeds and misdeeds.
The self-destructive narcissist plays the role of the "bad guy" (or "bad girl"). But even this is within the traditional social roles cartoonishly exaggerated by the narcissist to attract attention. Men are likely to emphasize intellect, power, aggression, money, or social status. Narcissistic women are likely to emphasize body, looks, charm, sexuality, feminine "traits" -- homemaking, children and childrearing.
Punishing the wayward narcissist is a veritable catch-22. A jail term is useless as a deterrent if it only serves to focus attention on the narcissist. Being infamous is second best to being famous -- and far preferable to being ignored. The only way to punish a narcissist effectively is to withhold narcissistic supply from him and thus to prevent him from becoming a notorious celebrity.
Given a sufficient amount of media exposure and public attention, the narcissist may even consider the whole grisly affair to be emotionally rewarding. To the narcissist, freedom, wealth and social status are all means to an end. And the end is attention. If he can secure attention by being the big bad wolf, the narcissist unhesitatingly transforms himself into one. Jeffrey, Lord Archer, for instance, seems to be positively basking in the media circus provoked by his prison diaries.
The narcissist does not victimize, plunder, terrorize and abuse others in a cold, calculating manner. He does so offhandedly, as a manifestation of his genuine character. To be truly "guilty" one needs to intend, to deliberate, to contemplate one's choices and then to choose one's acts. The narcissist does none of these.
Thus, punishment breeds in him surprise, hurt and seething anger. The narcissist is stunned by society's insistence that he should be held accountable for his deeds and penalized accordingly. He feels wronged, the victim of bias, discrimination and injustice. He rebels and rages.
Depending upon the pervasiveness of his magical thinking, the narcissist may feel besieged by overwhelming powers, forces cosmic and intrinsically ominous. He may develop compulsive rites to fend off this "bad," unwarranted, persecutory influences.
The narcissist, very much the infantile outcome of stunted personal development, engages in magical thinking. He feels omnipotent, that there is nothing he couldn't do or achieve if only he sets his mind to it. He feels omniscient -- he rarely admits to ignorance and regards his intuitions and intellect as founts of objective data.
Thus, narcissists are haughtily convinced that introspection is a more important and more efficient (not to mention easier to accomplish) method of obtaining knowledge than the systematic study of outside sources of information in accordance with strict and tedious curricula. Narcissists are "inspired" and they despise hamstrung technocrats.
To some extent, they feel omnipresent because they are either famous or about to become famous or because their product is selling or is being manufactured globally. Deeply immersed in their delusions of grandeur, they firmly believe that their acts have -- or will have -- a great influence not only on their firm, but on their country, or even on mankind. Having mastered the manipulation of their human environment, they are convinced that they will always "get away with it." They develop hubris and a false sense of immunity. |
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Lexy
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| reconflyer wrote: | Does anyone think this is a very important point? Kerry has stated that his records have been released (snowing all of the kool-aid drinkers) but leaving those who really want to peruse them in the cold...
Heck, maybe Imus would be pissed that he was lied to...
I'm e-mailing him...
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the thing that makes it important to me, is the fact we have NO CLUE what is really in them, but they have almost BEAT Pres Bush to death over his, and Kerry gets a pass BECAUSE he "says" they are released...well, they are clearly NOT and he was quick to say they werent public ... he knows they're not....he never signed to release them... and the honorable discharge puzzle....why the dates so different and why only after that scum Carter was President was he "honorably" discharge....SO MUCH with so little time .. I hope the MSM SUFFERS HORRIBLY for the mess they've pulled during this election...... |
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dmackto
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I think the press should jump all over him saying his records were not public but they won't unless someone like Drudge picks it up.
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igor
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http://img80.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img80&image=records.swf (small 42kb Flash version of the audio)
from http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6354942/
| Quote: | Brokaw: Someone has analyzed the President's military aptitude tests and yours, and concluded that he has a higher IQ than you do.
Kerry: That's great. More power. I don't know how they've done it, because my record is not public. So I don't know where you're getting that from. |
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Stevie
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| Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 2:57 am Post subject: |
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he told that to chrissy also... i have the interview...will see if I have the link....
don't have that but here's the interview: I deleted out the beginning and end to save room here....
MSNBC Transcripts
'Hardball with Chris Matthews' for April 27
Read the complete transcript to Tuesday's show
Updated: 10:31 a.m. ET April 28, 2004
Guests: John Kerry, Chaka Fattah, Kurt Weldon
CHRIS MATTHEWS, HOST: Tonight the seventh anniversary of HARDBALL tour continues with an exclusive interview with John Kerry from his job summit in Cleveland, Ohio.
Plus, Kerry on the host political battle between—being fought over his war medals versus George Bush‘s National Guard service.
And explosions rock Fallujah as fighting erupts and a U.S. gunship hammers targets in the city.
Let‘s play HARDBALL.
Good evening. I‘m Chris Matthews. And this is day two of HARDBALL‘s seventh anniversary week. Tonight, I‘m in Cleveland, Ohio, where Senator John Kerry has wrapped up a summit on jobs. He‘ll join me in just a moment for an exclusive interview.
MATTHEWS: OK. You did that today, Senator. You went after, you put out a statement in your campaign, asking tough questions, documented questions—you had all the material there—about President Bush‘s—
President Bush‘s participation.
KERRY: I have not—I don‘t—I haven‘t seen what went out.
MATTHEWS: What went out, it basically tracks what you did the other day on “Good Morning America.” And the question your staff put out, under your name, is, is Bush telling the truth, President Bush, when he said he had no special privileges or favoritism in jumping 150 places to get in the Air Guard in Texas?
What do you think about that? Is that something you care about? You want to know the truth?
KERRY: He ought to answer that question.
MATTHEWS: Why?
KERRY: Because I‘ve answered the questions. I released all my military records. Mr. Gillespie thought it was important enough to go travel to another state, make a big speech, demand that I release my records. I did. Everything. All of it. Including my officer fitness reports.
Accountability time.
MATTHEWS: Is it accountable—should the president be accountable for skipping that—that physical when he was in the military?
KERRY: It‘s up to—it‘s up to Americans to decide.
MATTHEWS: Should he prove that he was in the Guard and actively involved in the Guard when he was out of town, he was in Alabama?
KERRY: Chris, as I—as I said, I‘ve never begrudged people the choice they made.
MATTHEWS: But your statement today asked for particular information.
EAK)
MATTHEWS: Coming up, the key battleground state of Pennsylvania—when HARDBALL‘s seventh anniversary coverage continues.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
SEN. BILL FRIST (R-TN), MAJORITY LEADER: Congratulations, Chris, on seven great years. I hope we‘ll continue to hear for years to come your trademark phrase, let‘s play HARDBALL.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
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LSU Engineer
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| Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 3:09 am Post subject: |
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| reconflyer wrote: | Heck, maybe Imus would be pissed that he was lied to...
reconflyer |
As a lawyer, sKerry carefully parses his words. If I recall correctly, his actual reply to Imus was "all of the records we initially got from the navy are posted on the website" (emphasis mine). I remember thinking that Imus was an idiot for not picking up on the obvious qualification in his answer. I suspect that Kerry had a staffer do a standard FOIA request and that way he was able to make that statement.
On a related note, everyone (including myself) has been saying that Kerry refuses to sign a 180. Knowing how he gives obtuse, nonresponsive answers to questions, I think Kerry could actually say that he has not refused to sign a 180. To my knowledge, nobody has directly (face to face) asked him to. Since early August, Kerry's handlers have been very careful to avoid any interview or press conference where he could be asked if he would sign a release.
It infuriates me that nobody has cornered him with this question. If nobody gives him a direct question, he'll never give anything but "nuanced" answers. |
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Aristotle The Hun
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| Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 3:27 am Post subject: |
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Here is what Steve Sailer contributes
http://www.isteve.com/
My Kerry IQ story makes the NBC Nightly News:
Brokaw: Someone has analyzed the President's military aptitude tests and yours, and concluded that he has a higher IQ than you do.
Kerry: That's great. More power. I don't know how they've done it, because my record is not public. So I don't know where you're getting that from.
Brokaw: Do you think he's a smart man?
Kerry: I do. Yes, I do think he's a smart man.
Brokaw: Do you think too many people in your party underestimate?
Kerry: I think people have always underestimated President Bush. But I'm proud that in those debates, I didn't underestimate him.
Well, actually, Kerry's campaign did release his Officer Qualification Test score on this Acrobat PDF on the www.JohnKerry.com website. Yet, even though huge numbers of Kerry's supporters and detractors pored over this dump of documents on Kerry's military record, the first person who seems to have noticed the significance of that one document was Sam Sewell, a Navy vet and minister in Florida who works with gifted children with learning disabilities. Because I'd written articles in the past on candidates' IQ, he called it to my attention about a month ago, and I spent three weeks interviewing military psychometricians and reading old military reports to figure out how to interpret Kerry's score and how to compare it to Bush's scores on the somewhat similar Air Force Officer Qualifying Test.
I am in the process of educating Steve to the 180 issue.
Sam
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reconflyer
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| Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 3:29 am Post subject: |
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What I emailed to Imus:
Mr. Imus,
In the interest of the national debate of the presidential election, you interviewed Senator Kerry on your radio show on the 15th of September.
I applauded your question to the Senator about his military records, which I include here, extracted from the MSNBC website:
IMUS: A Freedom of Information Act request by "The Washington Post" regarding your military records produced six pages of information, while a spokesman for the Navy Personnel Command said there were at least 100 pages of information available, but he was not authorized to release them. Why can't we see this stuff?
KERRY: We've posted my military records that they sent to me, or were posted on my Web site. You can go to my Web site, and all my -- you know, the documents are there.
IMUS: So is -- everything's available?
KERRY: To the best of my knowledge. I think some of the medical stuff may still be out there. We're trying to get it.
IMUS: "The Washington Post" doesn't think that it's all available, and they could go to your Web site. Maybe they did.
KERRY: Well, we released everything that they initially sent me.
See the original on you website here: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6009011/
Now this interview from the 28th of October with Tom Brokaw revealed the following information:
Brokaw: Someone has analyzed the President's military aptitude tests and yours, and concluded that he has a higher IQ than you do.
Kerry: That's great. More power. I don't know how they've done it, because my record is not public. So I don't know where you're getting that from.
See the original on your website here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6354942/
How can we square what Senator Kerry told you to what he told Tom Brokaw? Many people are very interested in the records that Senator Kerry has not released. The fact is that he has not released his record to the public, he has only released the bits and pieces that I suspect he (his campaign) has determined would not hurt him. The only way he can release his whole record set, as President Bush has done, is to sign a SF-180, which Senator Kerry has yet to sign.
People are pouring over the President’s flight records, physicals and very personal information because the President released that information. Senator Kerry has not offered up the same amount of information, only the selected documents that he wants to present to the public.
I hope you consider this information and perhaps would comment or challenge the candidate Senator Kerry on your radio show, it certainly seems that Senator Kerry was not completely up-front with you about the release of his military records.
Thank you for your consideration of this matter,
Signed,
reconflyer
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Aristotle The Hun
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| Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 3:34 am Post subject: |
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reconflyer,
I didn't know recon dropped bombs.
Thanks,
Sam
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Stevie
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| Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 3:38 am Post subject: |
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I was wondering why over here also.... I don't get over here that often!
I could have missed it! but I don't understand always why stuff comes here instead of 'there'....
this is hot - having it in Kerry's own voice !!!!! WOW! 
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reconflyer
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| Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 3:51 am Post subject: |
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Aristotle,
You've opened the door so I have to plug my recce brothers!
We don't drop bombs...
But the work we do tells the bomb-droppers where to put the fire and steel!
It works out pretty well!
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Aristotle The Hun
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| Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 5:54 am Post subject: |
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Just sent the following email to media and blogs
Does that constitute a lie? Or am I just being narrow minded?
MSNBC Transcripts
'Hardball with Chris Matthews' for April 27
Read the complete transcript to Tuesday's show
Updated: 10:31 a.m. ET April 28, 2004
Guests: John Kerry, Chaka Fattah, Kurt Weldon
MATTHEWS: What went out, it basically tracks what you did the other day on “Good Morning America.” And the question your staff put out, under your name, is, is Bush telling the truth, President Bush, when he said he had no special privileges or favoritism in jumping 150 places to get in the Air Guard in Texas?
What do you think about that? Is that something you care about? You want to know the truth?
KERRY: He ought to answer that question.
MATTHEWS: Why?
KERRY: Because I‘ve answered the questions. I released all my military records. Mr. Gillespie thought it was important enough to go travel to another state, make a big speech, demand that I release my records. I did. Everything. All of it. Including my officer fitness reports.
Now look at this from today’s NBC News
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6354942/
Brokaw: Someone has analyzed the President's military aptitude tests and yours, and concluded that he has a higher IQ than you do.
Kerry: That's great. More power. I don't know how they've done it, because my record is not public. So I don't know where you're getting that from.
Does that constitute a lie? Or am I just being narrow minded?
From Steve Sailer who wrote the article that appeared in the New York Times
http://www.isteve.com/
Well, actually, Kerry's campaign did release his Officer Qualification Test score on this Acrobat PDF on the www.JohnKerry.com website. Yet, even though huge numbers of Kerry's supporters and detractors pored over this dump of documents on Kerry's military record, the first person who seems to have noticed the significance of that one document was Sam Sewell, a Navy vet and minister in Florida who works with gifted children with learning disabilities. Because I'd written articles in the past on candidates' IQ, he called it to my attention about a month ago, and I spent three weeks interviewing military psychometricians and reading old military reports to figure out how to interpret Kerry's score and how to compare it to Bush's scores on the somewhat similar Air Force Officer Qualifying Test.
Sam
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grumpyBB
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| Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 7:22 am Post subject: |
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Does anybody have the link to the Chris Mathews interview transcript?
I went ahead and sent blogsforbush.com and Rush Limbaugh an e-mail with the snippets of all three Kerry interviews. Heopfully they'll do something with it. 
edit:
OK, I just sent out another 18 e-mails to other blogs and media personalities so hopefully they report it. 
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Spiess
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| Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 7:32 am Post subject: |
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Thats it?
LOL Thats it?
115......omfg!
Im a high school dropout, With some college and a GED, and I scored a 143!
hes an Idiot!
OMG
Sorry 
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