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LewWaters · Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 5:38 pm Post subject: Moore Commiting Treason Now?

I don't know if the following actually constitutes treason or not, but in my mind, it does. At a time when we have troops in harm's way and ones as Kerry and the rest of his left winged Democrats are becrying that Bush has failed to garner adequate international support for the fight, not only does this character Moore release a highly inflammatory, deceitful and innacurate "movie" about the current administration, now he calls upon some of our allies to stop supporting the cause.

Given that he has stated in the past, that today's terrorists that are murdering our people are "revolutionaries" and "today's minutemen," stating also that he feels they are going to win the fight, it leads me to believe he actually wants to see America lose and will stop at almost nothing to make it happen.

War Dog · Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 5:48 pm Post subject:

While wrong in doing so, MM's actions are within his right as a citizen. He is not advocating violence against anyone in South Korea, or that the South Korean Activitists attack those troops, or that anyone go to Iraq and attack troops or civilians. That would be considered 'treason'.

While I disagree with MM's films, and with him as a 'person', as a US citizen, he does have the right to say what he wants within the constraints of the first amendment!

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coldwarvet · Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 5:51 pm Post subject:

Kerry's 1971 senate testimony was an act of treason just as the public comments he is making in 2004. By the way when was it that an American was last tried and convicted of treason?

Merriam-Websters definition of treason

Main Entry: trea·son
Pronunciation: 'trE-z&n
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English tresoun, from Old French traison, from Latin tradition-, traditio act of handing over, from tradere to hand over, betray -- more at TRAITOR
1 : the betrayal of a trust : TREACHERY
2 : the offense of attempting by overt acts to overthrow the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance or to kill or personally injure the sovereign or the sovereign's family
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Tony · Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 9:32 pm Post subject:

Unfortunately - I think Jane Fonda raised the bar on what constitutes Treason....those stories still get passed down from generation to generation in the Fleet.

I would like to see MM put his money where his mouth is, however. I think he and Sean Penn and what's that guy's name (Susan Sarandon's husband...oh yeah...Tim Robbins) ought to travel to Iraq to share their thoughts and concerns with the new Iraqi government. Maybe they could even visit with the "insurgents" as show of solidarity for their cause. Kind of like they did before the war when they paid Saddam a visit. Whether this would be considered treason, I don't know, but I'm sure those guys would love to meet such devoted supporters....I mean they're all working for the same cause...right?
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Merriam-Webster definitions for the word propaganda and documentary.

I watched the movie Midway the other day and it was much closer to a documentary then the MM trash. How many more words are the libs going to re-difine?

Main Entry: pro•pa•gan•da
Pronunciation: "prä-p&-'gan-d&, "prO-
Function: noun
Etymology: New Latin, from Congregatio de propaganda fide Congregation for propagating the faith, organization established by Pope Gregory XV died 1623
1 capitalized : a congregation of the Roman curia having jurisdiction over missionary territories and related institutions
2 : the spreading of ideas, information, or rumor for the purpose of helping or injuring an institution, a cause, or a person
3 : ideas, facts, or allegations spread deliberately to further one's cause or to damage an opposing cause; also : a public action having such an effect

Main Entry: 1doc•u•men•ta•ry
Pronunciation: "dä-ky&-'men-t&-rE, -'men-trE
Function: adjective
1 : being or consisting of documents : contained or certified in writing <documentary evidence>
2 : of, relating to, or employing documentation in literature or art; broadly : FACTUAL, OBJECTIVE <a documentary film of the war>
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Marine4life · Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2004 5:22 pm Post subject:

I disagree, we do not have the absolute right under the 1st amendment to say anything that we want. It does not say that. What Moores film and his remarks are is slander, defamation of character, character assasination and treason, all of which can be prosecuted. Semper Fi.
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Marine4life · Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2004 6:35 pm Post subject:

I believe that Bush has chosen to take the higher ground and not stoop to Moores level. However I know that it is being looked into for election year violations of the law. Simply put, I don't think you will ever see a sitting President sue a citizen for these acts. Treason is very well described, and aiding the enemy is treason, this film aids the enemy and will do nothing but endanger our soldiers and prolong this war. Bush will take him and Kerry apart with the facts not fiction such as Moore has presented. I also heard that Moore is being challenged on using footage of people without their consent for the purpose of making money, and also editing the original content as to shed a bad light on the person displayed. As they say it aint over till someone sings, and the chorus is just warming up on this one. I think Bush did the right thing, Moores fiction has dropped out of sight and hasn't accomplished anything that he had hoped it would. That mostly is because the democrats have backed away from it and him, sad day when something is so outragious that the democrats feel it is to far in left field to touch. Semper Fi.
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Marine4life · Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2004 6:54 pm Post subject:

It dropped to #3 behind white chicks and spiderman. It was a one weekend wonder that is all. It is done, ran it's two day course. Bush's heavy hitters will focus on a more viable contender. Moore is just a pimple on society's butt. But it will be interesting on how it all play's out. Semper Fi.
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Marine4life · Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2004 7:22 pm Post subject:

I got my info from hollywood itself, while I was there this past weekend. The movie is not playing on Hollywood BLVD. Oh ya and from Fox. But I assume that Fox is not credible with the left because they report the truth from both sides. Spiderman and White chicks is #1 and #2. I guess you could assume and make claims if you are comparing it to Bowling for Col. and not counting in any other film makers work, with that logic then I guess you are right on it being #1 in the box office.
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Indianbaboon · Lieutenant Joined: 04 Jul 2004 Posts: 234

the film isn't a documentary.

The film I saw on the lifecycle of jellyfish was a documentary. the film I saw on the final hours of Lincoln was a documentary. The film I saw on the life of hitler was a documentary. Get the point?

This was an op-ed piece in video, nothing more, nothing less.