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carpro
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 Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 11:41 pm Post subject: Security at Democrat Convention |
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Homeland Security director Tom Ridge is making an all-out effort to provide security at the democrat convention.
My opinion is...he is wasting his time.
Why would any self respecting terrorist want to kill a bunch of their best friends in America? 
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| Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2004 1:47 am Post subject: |
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Besides, it's not the DNC Convention that's being plotted against by the anarchists - it's the RNC's!
Shooting Mounted Policemen's horses with slingshots, emptying bags of marbles in front of the horses, signing up to help with crowd control or some other function during the convention and then just not showing up to work.
Going to a rifle range before going to the convention so that you are covered with the smell of gunpowder. Carrying ammonium nitrate and leaving it on the subway. Things to throw off the bomb-sniffer dogs.
Dressing in all black and covering your face with a black scarf to get attention - to get as many police officers involved with you as possible. Refuse to speak. Play dumb.
These are just a few of the tricks advocated by the likes of ** and some of the other anarchists sites.
And again you'll note that it's not the DNC convention that they're targeting.
This is how the left plays in America, today. Isn't the DNC proud?
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Scott
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| Navy_Navy_Navy wrote: | | Isn't the DNC proud? |
More like "smug."
Look up "plausible deniability."
Mua haha ha ha
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Theresa Alwood
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| Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2004 2:30 am Post subject: |
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I agree that the terrorist are not going to strike at the DNC...it would not benefit them to attack the people who refuse to accept the fact that the terrorist declared war on the US years ago. When John Kerry said he had people in other countries who supported him that is one of the few truthful things he has said...the terrorist and the likes of the French, North Korean's, and Iranians goverments do want John Kerry elected. They want someone who will not stand up to them.
President Bush warned all goverments that they were either with us or against us. If the liberal news or I should say story-telling actually told the truth we might have more support world wide. I still have yet to hear WHAT John Kerry would actually do other than get the UN involved. I guess Kerry must have been away from his senatorial duties when President Bush tried that. |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2004 4:42 am Post subject: Re: Security at Democrat Convention |
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I understand this is a site devoted to Bush. However, does that mean it is necessary to make all people who hold an different political view the enemy?
I recently taught a course on cultural diversity and most of the students in my class were conservatives. I am definitely a liberal on most political issues. However, the students that did the best in my class were those that effectively and intelligently argued their point (even if it was opposite from my own). I did not decide they were inferior or anti-intellectual because they held the opposite point of view.
I do not condone what we are doing in the middle east and I certainly DO NOT support terrorist acts. I abhor all forms of violence and yes, I do realize at times military intervention is all we have and I support the military. I worked for two years doing clinical work at a VA hospital and I am proud of my time working with veterans. I learned a lot from them... mostly given they were mentally ill vets, I learned about acceptance and tolerance of differences. I support the military in Iraq but I disagree with the governments use of force. Am I a terrorist because I disagree with our current public policy even though I am opposed to violence? Its a flawed argument.
| carpro wrote: | Homeland Security director Tom Ridge is making an all-out effort to provide security at the democrat convention.
My opinion is...he is wasting his time.
Why would any self respecting terrorist want to kill a bunch of their best friends in America? |
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carpro
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| Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2004 12:51 pm Post subject: Re: Security at Democrat Convention |
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| PhD candidate wrote: | I support the military in Iraq but I disagree with the governments use of force. Am I a terrorist because I disagree with our current public policy even though I am opposed to violence? Its a flawed argument.
| carpro wrote: | Homeland Security director Tom Ridge is making an all-out effort to provide security at the democrat convention.
My opinion is...he is wasting his time.
Why would any self respecting terrorist want to kill a bunch of their best friends in America? |
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You disagree with the use of force and are opposed to violence?
Then there is no doubt that you are a friend to terrorists. They love people like you. Force and violence are the only things terrorists or thugs like Saddam understand.
I'm sure you love being an American, but you sound like one of those that hasn't met a cause worth fighting for. You want others to die for you so you can continue to be free and enjoy the privileges of being an American.
Most of us are opposed to violence and the use of force...but we understand that you have to use them when confronting the enemies of freedom.
These people want us dead. Me and you. I take it personal. You want me to take it personal for you...and protect you in the process while you object to the process.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2004 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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Just another case of the brave protecting the sissy. Go protect my right to bash you in the news and on the streets, hurry and get back so I can spit on you and tell the world what a loser you are. But don't forget, make sure you protect me or I will sue you. Difference of opinion, no not at all, that down play's what you are doing. It is spin for treason my liberal warts. Semper Fi.
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War Dog
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| Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2004 12:37 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I understand this is a site devoted to Bush. However, does that mean it is necessary to make all people who hold an different political view the enemy? |
There are some here that support President Bush completely.
There are some here that are only supporting President Bush because they consider him to be the better of two evils.
There are some here that have a lot of problems with President Bush, his administration and it's policies.
And we have members here that are between the three statements above.
But no, this is not a site devoted to President Bush. This is a site that is opposed to John F. Kerry being the next President and CIC of the United States of America. That is the one thing that the majority of the members here believe in, and what holds us together.
John F. Kerry disgraced, defamed, insulted and accused Vietnam Veterans of horrible crimes and actions. John F. Kerry's lies hurt Vietnam Veterans back in 71, and that hurt has continued for 33 years. We are against John F. Kerry because all of us firmly believe that he is dangerous, and would be very disasterous for this nation, should he be elected as President.
Go read many of the past threads concerning John F. Kerry. You'll see that they are far more than those that say anything good or support President Bush.
| Quote: | | I recently taught a course on cultural diversity and most of the students in my class were conservatives. I am definitely a liberal on most political issues. However, the students that did the best in my class were those that effectively and intelligently argued their point (even if it was opposite from my own). I did not decide they were inferior or anti-intellectual because they held the opposite point of view. |
Discussion and debate are great, and one of the things that make this nation great. However, it's those liberals and conservatives that do not debate or discuss the issues that give both sides a bad name. It's those on both sides that refuse to even listen to the other side or try and understand their point of view that are causing so much damage to our nation.
| Quote: | | I do not condone what we are doing in the middle east and I certainly DO NOT support terrorist acts. I abhor all forms of violence and yes, I do realize at times military intervention is all we have and I support the military. |
It might surprise you, and then again, it might not, that the majority of people who were in the military, or are still in the military are also against violence. A honest Veteran and/or military warrior realizes that his/her job is to keep the peace for this nation. The majority of our nations Veterans and military members likes to go into a situation where they might be killed or injured. The majority of our Veterans and today's military members do not like having to go kill or injure others. And a true Veteran and Military Warrior takes no joy in the death or injury of those who are deemed to be the enemy.
But what many do not understand, and it looks like you do, is that yes, there are times when military intervention, action, conflict, combat and war are necessary and unavoidable. I served over twenty years with tours in Southeast Asia during the Vietnam War (71/72), and in the Mideast during the Persian Gulf War (90/91). I did not go to those wars with any joy in my heart. I went and did what I had to do, because my nation asked me to go. I did not debate nor discuss the political reasons for or against those wars, as that was not my job. My job was to go where my nation wanted me to be, and do what I was ordered to do. I supported my fellow airmen, sailors, soldiers, marines and the civilians that were over in the nations involved in those wars.
| Quote: | | I worked for two years doing clinical work at a VA hospital and I am proud of my time working with veterans. I learned a lot from them... mostly given they were mentally ill vets, I learned about acceptance and tolerance of differences. |
Thank you for what you did for this nation's Veterans. I sincerely hope that what you did helped alot of Veterans.
| Quote: | | I support the military in Iraq but I disagree with the governments use of force. Am I a terrorist because I disagree with our current public policy even though I am opposed to violence? Its a flawed argument. |
Thank you for supporting our nations troops. We may disagree with the reasons why we go to war, but America must support our troops 100% once we are at war. We all saw what happened with the Vietnam War when America stopped supporting our troops. Many of us here experienced it over in Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Thailand and the POW camps in North Vietnam up close.
It is okay to disagree with this nation's policies both foreign and domestic. That is what makes this nation great. Disagreeing with this nations government and it's policies and procedures does not make one unpatriotic or unamerican. Nor does it make one a traitor, or a terrorist.
But, there is a fine line there. If a citizen does or says things that are lies, false accusations, made up things, false propanganda, that damage this nation, hurt our troops, damage military morale, or help our enemies, then, yes, those people should be considered traitors, and their activity can be considered as aiding and abetting the enemy, and if that enemy are terrorists, then those people could be considered by some as terrorists too.
It's okay to be opposed to violence. I and damn near every Veteran and military man and woman I've ever known are opposed to violence, combat, war, conflict, etc... But, you as a citizen of this nation must know the difference in this area. You must be willing as a citizen of this nation to at some point, if the situation warrants it, to be willing to put your life on the line, and go to war, into combat against those that seek to kill as many Americans as they can. If the time comes, are you willing to pick up a weapon and defend your nation?
Remember that these terrorists that have declared war on this nation did this over twenty years ago. They have waged war against this nation through administrations of both Democrats and Republicans, Liberals and Conservatives. These terrorists do not care what your political party is, what your religion is, do not care if you are anti-war, anti-violence, are against the current administraton, or for it.
They do not care who you are, what you think, what you like, what you do not like, or what your opinion on anything is. One of the major leaders of al Qaeda stated that they will consider their war against the US a success when at least four million Americans are dead! Now think about that, four million Americans dead, that means liberals, conservatives, republicans, democrats, libertarians, greenies, progressives, communists, socialists, facists, athiests, pro war, anti-war. Mothers, fathers, sons, daughters, husbands, wives, boyfriends, girlfriends, friends, co-workers, etc, dead.
And if these terrorists manage to kill four million Americans, that means that there will be at least a 10 to 1 ratio of injured/maimed Americans for each American dead. Are you ready for at least 40 million Americans injured and/or maimed?
It's okay to believe like you do, but if the fecal material hits the fan and we start getting a lot of terrorists attacks in this nation, and it's coming, what are you willing to do to stop these people? You cannot discuss and debate the issues with them. You cannot bargin with them. You cannot negoatiate with them, you cannot make deals with them. And all your understanding of diversity and multiculterism will not help you with these people when their only aim is to kill you, your loved ones, your students, your friends, your co workers, and everybody around you.
So, again I ask you, what are you willing to do to defend your nation, your way of life, your Constitution, your flag, your government (no matter if republican or democrat), and your fellow Americans?
War Woof!
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Theresa Alwood
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| Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2004 4:35 am Post subject: |
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| War Dog...could not have said it any better! Great reply! Keep up the great work. |
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Tony
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| Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2004 5:37 am Post subject: Re: Security at Democrat Convention |
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You sound like a PhD candidate....no offense...but your language just sort of reminds me of when I was in grad school...you know... the way today's college student is quickly taught that in order to succeed, one must use subtle language so as not to offend...something that ultimately detracts from the general discourse.....a few comments below...
| PhD candidate wrote: | | I understand this is a site devoted to Bush. However, does that mean it is necessary to make all people who hold an different political view the enemy? |
Quite a leap there....as previously stated, this site is more about John Kerry than George Bush but, regardless, how exactly are you defining the word "enemy" in your statement. Are you implying that all views are equal? I know that moral relativism is all the rage in some circles...but not with me. I have a tough time considering anyone a friend if they advocate a political system that does not support capitalism and the free markets. I would also have trouble being friendly with someone who demonstrates a lack of principles (for example) like a military officer who conducts himself in a way that dishonors his oath of office. Okay...Not being my friend...doesn't make you my enemy but it's a good step in that direction. I know all this stuff about right and wrong and good and evil is probably very simplistic compared to the lofty academic ideas you are normally surrounded with, but it's the best system I can devise for viewing the world in which I live.
| PhD candidate wrote: | | I recently taught a course on cultural diversity and most of the students in my class were conservatives. I am definitely a liberal on most political issues. However, the students that did the best in my class were those that effectively and intelligently argued their point (even if it was opposite from my own). I did not decide they were inferior or anti-intellectual because they held the opposite point of view. |
Wow...we have courses in cultural diversity? My graduate degree is in Finance, which in some circles doesn't count as a graduate degree, but I must have been absent the day that class was offered. Before I offend you, I am yanking your academic chain...but you have to admit, there are some who would compare this to some sort of indoctrination or re-education. Isn't a better course in cultural diversity the one that I took? You know...the one that involves visiting many many countries and making an effort to learn about the people who live in these countries - how they are different and how they are the same. Of course, in my version of the course, you get to judge all of these people and decide whether they stack up against your system of values. You might think less of them in some cases (e.g. Young Kuwaiti males who headed south when their country was invaded while young Americans bailed them out) or in other cases, feel respect (e.g. Cuban and Haitian immigrants who are so desperate for freedom and opportunity - they risk a greater than 50/50 chance of death to escape to the USA). I experienced lots of cultural diversity in the military and still do in my consulting work that often takes me overseas. I would gladly stack this type of training on 'cultural diversity' against whatever PC version is delivered in the modern day academic institution. Seriously - I'd love to see the syllabus for that class....
| PhD candidate wrote: | | I do not condone what we are doing in the middle east and I certainly DO NOT support terrorist acts. I abhor all forms of violence and yes, I do realize at times military intervention is all we have and I support the military. I worked for two years doing clinical work at a VA hospital and I am proud of my time working with veterans. I learned a lot from them... mostly given they were mentally ill vets, I learned about acceptance and tolerance of differences. I support the military in Iraq but I disagree with the governments use of force. Am I a terrorist because I disagree with our current public policy even though I am opposed to violence? Its a flawed argument. |
So you don't condone what we are doing in the Middle East. I assume you are referring to Iraq and not the fact that many of our oil companies drill oil there or that we provide military aid to Israel. Or do you just not condone anything we do there and think we should ban cars, start living in the woods, let our allies fend for themselves and accept a few terrorist attacks now and then in the US - all after we completely abandon any and all involvement in the Middle East? You abhor all forms of violence, but admit that sometimes it might be okay. So when is it okay? What line has to be crossed for us to unleash our military might? For me...attending the memorial service for one of my USNA classmates killed in 9/11 in the Pentagon and meeting his pregnant wife were enough. There is nothing academic about this question. This is real..and this is a war...one that we did not start. We are fighting against people who would be very happy to see all of us and our way of life dead. It's that simple. If that's not reason enough to take the fight to the enemy...than I'd love to be enlightened as to what reason would warrant such action. How many more buildings would have to fall, and how many more kids without parents would be required before it would be okay to engage the enemy? As I have explained to my sons ...real people are dying and our job is to make sure the bad guys are doing the dying....
I'm not sure what the point of your post was. I speak only for myself, but I really don't care for middle of the road language and the denial that seems to take place in the minds of far to many individuals. Apply some of that cultural diversity training and think about the world through a lens of good and evil, for a change. You might be amazed how the truth will set you free.....
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KeithNolan
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| Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2004 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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| TO PhD CANDIDATE: just a quick note here to let you know that there's at least one poster here who object to you being referred to as a "sissy" for not embracing the president's policies. Keith Nolan |
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carpro
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| Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2004 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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| KeithNolan wrote: | | TO PhD CANDIDATE: just a quick note here to let you know that there's at least one poster here who object to you being referred to as a "sissy" for not embracing the president's policies. Keith Nolan |
Since "sissy" is in quotation marks, I guess someone actually used the word, although I couldn't find it.
It's a leap to confine PhD's post down to JUST the president's policies... and he could make some of the statements go away by clarifying a few things.
He just hasn't bothered. Maybe he's not interested. Just likes to get HIS point in and disappear.
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| Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2004 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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Actually, the word was used.
John Stuart Mill put it more eloquently:
| Quote: | | War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling, which thinks that nothing is worth war, is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertion of better men than himself. |
In other words, "sissies."
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| Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2004 2:45 am Post subject: WOW |
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Okay first of all lets clear a few things up. One, I am new to the board and I have not posted as anyone else---- ever. And to my knowledge I have not been banned.
Second, I am female. I am tired of the references to me as male!!!!!
Third, I apologize for posting and for using language that may have been subtle or sounded academic or if I was vague. I also apologize for not posting again right away. I have been very busy and just noticed the bristling on the board. I was just trying to have an intellectual debate. I dont understand why I should be banned for that?
I will clear up my post and answer any questions as soon as I have time to read through the thread. I object strenously to being called a sissy. I have stood up to men a great deal in my life both personally and academically and find it offensive that anyone should call me a sissy because you dont like what I say or because I do not respond fast enough. I NEVER back down from an intellectual debate. I would ask that you all please show me some respect. I spent two years counseling at a VA hospital and have nothing but respect for veterans. I was used to the same from them... this has been an unpleasant surprise. |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2004 3:14 am Post subject: Re: WOW |
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| PhD candidate wrote: | Okay first of all lets clear a few things up. One, I am new to the board and I have not posted as anyone else---- ever. And to my knowledge I have not been banned.
Second, I am female. I am tired of the references to me as male!!!!!
Third, I apologize for posting and for using language that may have been subtle or sounded academic or if I was vague. I also apologize for not posting again right away. I have been very busy and just noticed the bristling on the board. I was just trying to have an intellectual debate. I dont understand why I should be banned for that?
I will clear up my post and answer any questions as soon as I have time to read through the thread. I object strenously to being called a sissy. I have stood up to men a great deal in my life both personally and academically and find it offensive that anyone should call me a sissy because you dont like what I say or because I do not respond fast enough. I NEVER back down from an intellectual debate. I would ask that you all please show me some respect. I spent two years counseling at a VA hospital and have nothing but respect for veterans. I was used to the same from them... this has been an unpleasant surprise. |
Actually NNN's post regarding a "sissy" seems applicable to your ideology Ms. PhD Candidate.
Ok, this is a from a IP address shared with "Keith Nolan" which appears to be a AOL proxy server, so it doesn't prove anything but it might cause members to compare linguistic nuances to determine if we're dealing with the same genetic material.
Ideologically and intellectually they seem very similar.
I report. You decide.
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