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[NYCnative]

Now that the hope of freedom is taken hold in the Middle East, Iran is the next country that is screaming out for regime change. This is what Pres Bush hoped for and it is happening, to the dismay of the anti-Bush critics and anti-American media.... Sign the petition for a free Iran!




http://www.activistchat.com/blogiran/
November 04, 2004
'Millions' of Iranians Celebrate Bush Victory!
via newsmax.com

On the streets and in the gathering places of Iran, millions celebrated the re-election of President Bush with congratulations and discreet V for victory signs to each other.

The Student Movement Coordination Committe for Democracy in Iran (SMCCDI) Website reports that not just a few, but millions of Iranians hoping for reform in that country are excited about President Bush and his promises of democracy for the whole region.

However, SMCCDI reports, "As Iranians and especially the younger generations have become happy, those affiliated to the Islamic regime are seen deeply worried about their future."

It says the ruling regime in Iran, and all of its lobbyists and apologists, spent piles of money hoping for a Bush defeat.

They even organized a celebration in Tehran of the day the American hostages were taken in Iran in 1979, but could only manage a "few thousand professional protesters" from a city of 12 million inhabitants.

The site reports, "commemoration of one of the main Islamist act (sic) of terror ecountered another massive popular rejection."

Will the United States finally lend the Iranian people a hand? Sign the petition below.

PETITION: TRUE SECURITY BEGINS WITH REGIME CHANGE IN IRAN

http://www.activistchat.com/petition4.html
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[PhantomSgt]

Good luck with your efforts. I also recommend you check out www.faithfreedom.org for the real skinny on the Koran.
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[NYCnative]

Ya know, I've seen http://www.prophetofdoom.net/

Then you see how Muslims are starting to reject Fundamentalism like in the following piece. Then you wonder how can they justify even calling themselves Muslims, yet they do.. I just figured it was just all in the interpretation.. I heard a woman doing the TV circuit talking about how she was going to leave her faith.

That is a great site! It says, you hear about people turning to Islam, but not leaving it. It also recounts how more people are leaving it than joining. That refreshing!

Here is one article is found on mending the relationship between religions. It gives hope in the end... Who the HELL knows.. All we can do it hope...


http://www.john-loftus.com/palazzi.asp
Attorney John Loftus volunteers as General Legal Counsel, Root & Branch Association and Advisory Board Member of the Association's Islam-Israel Fellowship. The following essay by Sheik Palazzi is a clear and powerful summary of the true nature of Islam, and exhibits a well-researched condemnation of terrorism as Islamic heresy.

ORTHODOX ISLAMIC PERCEPTIONS OF JIHAD AND MARTYRDOM
copyright, 2001, by Sheikh Professor Abdul Hadi Palazzi [islam.inst@flashnet.it]

[Text of Sheikh Palazzi's Address to the February 20-23, 2000, International Conference on Countering Suicide Terrorism sponsored by the Institute for Counter-Terrorism of the Interdisciplinary Center in Herzlyia. Dr. Reuven Paz, Academic Director (rpaz@idc.ac.il)]

EXCERPT FROM "ORTHODOX PERCEPTIONS" -- GROUND ZERO FOR INTERNATIONAL MASS MURDER ("TERRORISM"):




MODERATES" AND "EXTREMISTS"
From this point of view, the distinction between "moderate" and "extremist" regimes in the Muslim world reveals its inner weakness.

Countries such as Sudan, Iran and Afghanistan are easily identified as radical, totalitarian and enemies of the Western world, but their contribution to the international network of pseudo-Islamic fundamentalism is insignificant.

ON THE CONTRARY, THE POWERFUL STRUCTURE OF THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD IS MAINLY SUPPORTED BY THOSE COUNTRIES WHICH ARE REGARDED AS "MODERATE" AND "FRIENDS OF THE WEST": SAUDI ARABIA, KUWAIT AND THE ARAB EMIRATES.

Wahhabi fundamentalism is used as a tool for the preservation of the present equilibrium of the Arab world. Rich oil producing Arab countries fear peace between Israel and Egypt, Jordan or the Palestine Authority very much. A pacified Middle East can create serious problems for the autocratic and feudal systems of those regimes. They know for sure that the diffusion of notions such as human and civil rights, democracy and parity of rights between men and women can represent the end of their unlimited power. This is the reason why these rich, oil producing Arab countries support radicalism as an instrument of de-education and de-culturization.

The more advanced among the Arab countries are aware of this project for the preservation of backwardness. The governments of Tunisia, Morocco, and Jordan are taking measures to limit and to put the activities of the fundamentalist network under control.

Unfortunately, the real risk is that these same Wahhabi groups which are illegal in Tunisia, Morocco and Jordan will become self-appointed official representatives to Western governments of Muslim immigrants to Western countries. As Hisham Kabbani and Khalid Duran are doing in the United States, the Italian Muslim Association is trying to inform European governments about the risks they are facing. While we risk very much in so doing, it seems that until now our cry of alarm is only the voice of one who cries in the desert.

The best means to limit the influence of Saudi and Gulf State backed Wahhabi groups which promote suicide terrorism "in the name of Islam" is countering their influence by supporting the diffusion of the teachings of exponents of traditional, Sunni Islam. In the same way, non-Muslims must avoid becoming victim of the same confusion by believing that real Islam is the one propagandized by the Wahhabis and their fundamentalist network.

THE ISLAM-ISRAEL FELLOWSHIP OF THE ROOT & BRANCH ASSOCIATION

My friend Dr. Asher Eder, Jewish Co-Founder and Co-chairman of the Islam-Israel Fellowship of the Root & Branch Association, has wrote a historic essay (originally published in 1969) entitled, "Peace Is Possible between Ishmael and Israel according to the Qur'an" (with a Preface written by myself). This paper is of the maximum importance, and I felt honored in writing its Preface. It helps non-Muslims to understand that the teaching of the Qur'an is something radically different from what is claimed by fundamentalists, and helps Muslims to understand that hate against Israel and against Jews is by no means a part of authentic Islam.

Dr. Eder's paper may be considered a small seed, but we are now realizing how it is giving fruits with the passing of time.

ISLAM KARIMOV, PRESIDENT OF UZBEKISTAN

The President of Uzbekistan, Islam Karimov, has recently founded a new Islamic International University in Tashkent. Among the main goals of this University there is the graduation of imams and religious leaders in the spirit of the authentic Sunni Muslim tradition, especially trained in refuting fundamentalism and in promoting cooperation between Muslims, Jews and Christian.

This could mean that, for the first time, a Sunni Muslim anti-Wahhabi fundamentalist international coalition will at last be created. In comparison to the worldwide influence of the Saudi and Gulf State funded Wahhabi Muslim Brotherhood, the role of such a Sunni Muslim international coalition may be compared to that of David facing Goliath.

NEVER LOSE HOPE!
However, we are forbidden to lose hope.
As the Qur'an says: "How oft, by God's will, hath a small force vanquished a big one? Verily, God is with those who steadfastly persevere". [Qur'an, "The Cow", Sura 2:249].
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"From time to time, the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots." -- Thomas Jefferson

"Proclaim Liberty throughout All the land unto All the Inhabitants Thereof." -Inscription on the Liberty Bell

[Digger]

Thank you NYC Native. I've come to the conclusion over the years that the Islam of the Sufis is the only true Islam. I am quite a fan of the Mullah Nasrudin
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[NYCnative]

[Digger]

NYCnative: The current Mullahocracy in Iran is a perversion of Islam just like the Inquisition by the Catholic Church was a perversion of Christianity. It's the sort of thing that happens when ever ambitious men seek to use religion as an excuse to prosecute their evil ambitions. Tyrany can take many forms and will seek any means to its ends. Even the Holy Name is not sacred to such men. This has been a sad lesson in our history, but it was one well worth learning.
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[Digger]

If you want to know more about Sufism and the Mullah Nasrudin, you can probably find all about it on the web. Although I haven't had any recent cause to look it up so I don't really know what's out there.
Oh heck, why don't I just have a look just for curiosities sake. See you later
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[NYCnative]

Digger

[Digger]

AHA, I see you beat me to it. Good for you.
We are fighting the same enemy our fathers and grandfathers fought before us. Though the times and places have changed, though our oponent now speaks a different language and follows a diferent religion than in previous times, it is still the same "EVIL". Indeed, there is no difference between Hitler, Stalin, Saddam Hussein, Osama binLadin or Pol Pot. These all are possessed of the same deamon
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[NYCnative]

Truer words have never been spoken...

I hope the people of Iran see that with Iraq becoming a democratic, free nation, that they feel strong enough to fight the enemies of freedom from within. It would be much harder for us to overthrow the Mullahs in Iran without the people taking a stand and leading the way. An overthrow of the Iranian Govt would be a big help in the fight we are engaged in right now. Hopefully with Iraq moving closer to elections, they will find the strength. Then Syria..

There are already people speaking out against the Baath Party in Syria. Before the fall of Saddam, speaking out against him would have been unthinkable. Afterall, the threat of his using WMD's on his neighbors and the brutality of the regime was too great. Now, they are finding the courage to speak out. All that wouldn't have happened, until he was deposed.. The following is an article from a Kuwaiti newspaper I found on:

http://freemuslims.com/

Special Dispatch Series - No. 495
April 22, 2003 No.495

Kuwaiti Paper Criticizes Syria: Assad's Regime More Criminal than Saddam's Regime

Over the past week, Ahmad Al-Jarallah, editor of the Kuwaiti daily Al-Siyasa, wrote a series of articles which were critical of the Syrian regime. The following are excerpts from the articles:


If Syria Follows Iraq's Example, It Will Share Iraq's Fate

In the first article of the series, titled "Damascus On the Path to Baghdad's Abyss," Al-Jarallah wrote: "Following the completion of the mission of 'liberating Iraq,' the pressure has now shifted to Damascus – and there are signs that the next step will be 'liberating Syria.' This renewed pressure is worrying, and members of the Syrian regime are having disturbing nightmares. But this [fear] can be neutralized if these people adopt a political path different from the one taken by Saddam Hussein, which led to his downfall and to the fall and the end of his regime."

"The fear is that the ideas of the Syrian Ba'ath [Party] will lead to stances that the Iraqi regime held – and then [the Syrian Ba'ath Party] will find itself facing the same danger, and we pray to Allah that it will end well. We do not want to see the men of the Syrian regime going back to the wellsprings of the Ba'ath party, reciting odes from the pre-Islamic era, and brandishing glittering swords at international facts… What worries us is that the members of the Syrian regime have responded to American pressure with denial and threats. We saw Farouq Al-Shar' threaten that Israel will pay the price if what happened to Iraq happens to his country, and advise Israel to persuade its American ally to refrain from such an adventure."

"There is no need for Al-Shar' to resort to Saddam's mistaken rhetoric. Syria does not need its leadership... It must not threaten to use means it does not possess. Syria must not close its eyes to the international situation, because closing its eyes will not help it, and will not prevent [American] action in Syria if [such action] is decided upon."

"The Syrians must learn the lesson of Iraq and of what happened there. Many who gambled on the power and armies of Saddam... were disappointed. They felt they had fallen victim to Saddam's propaganda and false slogans..."

"We ask Minister Al-Shar' to stop his current arrogant heroism, and to not make the mistake made by Saddam Hussein and his men, who overdid the verbal muscle-flexing… All the Arabs who love Syria and who do not want it to sink like Saddam Hussein are advising it to keep at a distance from all those who fight with their throats and who live by their pens, in Lebanon or other Arab countries…"

"In these difficult days, Syria is asked to adapt to the international facts and to free itself from the enslavement of Ba'ath opinions, slogans, and ideological sources… It must not imagine that it has the ability to match its hopes… It must open its ears to the counsel of the wise men, otherwise it will sink."

"The coalition forces that liberated Kuwait in 1991 erred when they refrained from completing the mission and liberating the Iraqi people by continuing the advance to Baghdad. In 2003, the forces did not repeat the mistake – yet some will tell them: 'You liberated the Iraqi people; why didn't you complete the mission and liberate the Syrian people?!'"

"This possibility definitely exists at this time, and we hope that… young Syrian president Bashar Al-Assad is aware of this dangerous situation and is capable of stopping it and of neutralizing the dangers without shame over the insult to national, pan-Arab, and party purity."[1]

No Hope of Change

In "More Criminal than Saddam Hussein," Al-Jarallah wrote: "This regime is identical to the regime of Saddam Hussein. The two regimes are the two faces of the same coin. This regime established a party that claimed, in its sources and its principles, to be the party that defends freedom, human rights, national dreams, and pan-Arab hopes – the party that stands for social justice, distributes resources, cares for the citizen, and advocates other utopian and romantic ideas."

"Yet after the party seized control and established the regime, it quickly cut itself off from its principles. It led factionalist movements while calling for unity. It ripped the social fabric, while calling for national unity. It took over the resources of the people, while calling for distribution of resources. Its heroic members built [themselves] houses, palaces, and brothels, and their sons spread corruption and sank into forbidden deeds – exactly as we saw at Saddam Hussein's palaces in Iraq, in his brothels in Baghdad, in his son Uday's zoos, with cages full of tigers and lions, and all the signs attesting to a sadistic personality afflicted with a sick sexual perversion."

"The Syrian regime is built in the image of the collapsing Saddam regime. It is no different from it at all. The morality and behavior of its members differ not a whit from the morality and behavior of the Saddam regime. The regime has a monopoly on the government and on the resources; the men of the regime and their cronies spread corruption and humiliate and torture the people. We see them in the gambling clubs squandering millions. One spent $8 million at the green tables."

"The aid money that came to the regime to build the army went not to the army, the regiments, or the brigades, but into the pockets of the president's brothers, sons, and family members. Economic openness applied to them but was forbidden to the public. They sold their goods at the local market to the unfortunate citizens, at the highest of prices."

"This is a regime similar to the collapsing regime of Saddam Hussein. Its peoples pray for its downfall, and will welcome with flowers any force mobilized by Allah that liberates and rescues them, and gives them aid over the grave of this oppressing regime after bringing it to an end."

"Over 30 years have passed, and the people continue to suffer humiliation and repression from this regime, and pray to Allah to rescue them. It seems that the prayers of the people have finally been answered… This regime will not be spared divine punishment unless it corrects itself and changes its repressive nature. But there is no hope of this…"[2]

Al-Sahhaf was Cloned in Damascus

In his third article, "From the Marketplaces of Baghdad to the Marketplace of Al-Hamidiyya [in Damascus]," Al-Jarallah wrote: "We are entitled to apprehensions… about the irrationality of Syrian thought, and to concern that what happened to Iraq of Saddam Hussein will fall like a bolt from the blue on Syria, the second wing of the Ba'ath [Party]."

"To date, we have seen nothing to dispel the fear. All the Syrian declarations indicate the presence of a copy of Saddam… [a regime] that disregards political facts. The Syrian regime – with all its complications, its distribution of power centers, and its loyalty to the past, its symbols, and its statues – is hinting that that the Baghdad symphony plays again in Damascus. The comrades there have chosen to deny it, and to use confrontational and arrogant rhetoric that ignores the difference in the balance of powers. They continue on their way, acting as if September 11 had never happened and the world had not changed – as if the U.S. is not deployed in a neighboring [country], in Iraq, thus neutralizing any strategic value Syria [might have]."

"We see them in Damascus, denying that they have taken in escaped leaders from the Saddam regime, launching emotional attacks on America's opinions, and referring to events as did [Iraqi information minister] Muhammad Said Al-Sahhaf – who changed his name to Farouq Al-Shar'."

"It is these views, and not American threats, that put the fate of Syria at risk. They present a picture of the Syrian regime that looks like a picture of Saddam Hussein, who went out to the battlefield armed with false religious rhetoric, reciting poems and brandishing swords… As a result, of course, he is dead; Iraq was lost, and none forgive him."

"The Syrian regime now draws its power from the verbal positions of the Arab countries and from their solidarity [with it] – behind which stand no force to carry it out. This regime hears Egypt's opposition to the aggression against Syria, the Gulf Cooperation Council's opposition to the damage to Syria's sovereignty, and the defeatist whispers of Chirac, Schroeder, and Putin – and thinks all these stand on solid ground and the U.S. will take notice of them…"

"Before the Syrian regime, it was Saddam Hussein's regime that won these statements of support… but the war happened, the regime collapsed, and the French, Germans, and Russians welcomed it. The Arabs soon forgot this collapse, and began to call for the American and British forces' speedy withdrawal, and for the rapid establishment of democratic rule in Baghdad. They even declared their joy at the dictator's end."

"If the Syrian regime plays Saddam's scratched record and focuses on the same support, with the confrontational party rhetoric, with willingness to fight, and with [statements] that with his army, special forces, and knights, they will roast the stomachs of the enemies with the fires of Hell and bury them in their tanks, he will discover American tanks in the Al-Hamidiyya marketplace [in Damascus]…"

"These international positions and the Arabs' statements of eternal solidarity are liable to encourage the Syrian regime to perpetuate fatal mistakes… The Syrian regime, like the regime of Saddam Hussein, established the rule of a power-wielding party whose aim is to defend itself from the people and not to defend the homeland… To date, all we have seen is a new Al-Sahhaf who was cloned in Damascus [i.e. Al-Shar'] and party rhetoric leading the Syrian people to suicide and calling on [them] to redeem the statue, with spirit and with blood…"[3]

Putting Syria To the Test

Two days later, Al-Jarallah again wrote on the Syrian regime, in "Syria under the Pressures of Freedom": "The American pressures are now putting Syria to the test, and [Syria] must prove there is a difference between its regime and the collapsing regime of Saddam Hussein…"

"The declaration by Farouq Al-Shar', the ancient Syrian foreign minister, whose country will not permit inspection for weapons of mass destruction, does not arouse a sense of security, because it attests that Syria is beginning the game of cat and mouse played by the regime of Saddam Hussein, which led to his demise…"

"Syria, and with it the same supporters and mercenaries, say that it is a Zionist game, and that Iraq was conquered by the American-Israeli forces. It says that the U.S. is carrying out a Sharonist program in this country, the goal of which is to impose Pax Israeliana on the region, and every one of the statements are part of the game of cat and mouse and are aimed at gaining time. What is demanded from Syria is self-examination that will show that the Damascus regime suffers greatly from sadistic behavior, and that it is identical to Saddam, in the parameters of dictatorship, of single-party rule, and in its refraining from development, change, and adopting the principles of freedom and democracy."

"This Syrian talk, which we heard from the supporters of Saddam Hussein before his fall, helps not at all, except for justifying and reinforcing American pressure… The Syrian regime must not think that if it presents the crisis with the U.S. as confrontation with Israel it will be able to motivate the Arab people… Even if the [Arab people] move to help Syria, they are people who have no weapons – the weapons are in the hands of their rulers, and the rulers know the rules of the game and will not use them..."
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[Poacher]

Very good reading but they have been put back to the dark ages and it will take decades for them to imerge. Please remember that any country that is a convert to Islam from outside the Arab society(Which Iran is) is of the worse kind. The majority of Arabs go about thier peaceful business, without continuous reference to religious faith as we do out own forms of Christianity. The product produced by these nations is nothing to do with Islam but a bye product of twisted evil power mad individuals.
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[NYCnative]

Poacher

[Digger]

Gentlemen, What we are looking at is the fullfilment of prophecy. This is the writing on the wall. I have seen this comming for a long time and now it is finally here. BARUCH HA SHEM
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