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Marine's Wife · PO3 Joined: 10 May 2004 Posts: 267

"Craig" I am here in FULL support of the vets. It's time they were heard without the Liberal crap. I am NOT HERE to explain myself to you or the others who only come here to keep heckling the vets. It's plain to see you never served your country. So I'll not be responding to your stupid questions. Is that plain enough for you? Have a nice life ! Wink

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sparky · Former Member Joined: 06 May 2004 Posts: 546

mtboone · Posted: Fri May 14, 2004 3:41 am Post subject:

Sparky from some where else than TX.
It's not you we want explained (that would be futile), but your astonishing assertions.
jfk said tonight that he wants to bring the truth to the White House. He failed completly in 1971 before Congress and his sources was totally bogus and he failed to find out if his sources were accurate or true. Now, if he fails at this lesser level, how are we to assume that he will achieve something else at a higher level?

academicanarchist · Posted: Fri May 14, 2004 3:56 am Post subject: mtboone

There are people in Texas who think differently than you do. In visiting this site tonight, I have been comforted to know that the asserted goal of this group, namely that: "We believe it is incumbent on ALL presidential candidates to be totally honest and forthcoming regarding personal background and policy information that would help the voting public make an informed decision when choosing the next president of the United States," is the underlying principle of the clearly partisan majority on this forum. Why not set a link directly to the RNC? Your version of the truth is incredibly myopic, and is not consistent with the stated mission of the group. Looks to me to be a sham.

academicanarchist · Posted: Fri May 14, 2004 3:57 am Post subject: mtboone

There are people in Texas who think differently than you do. In visiting this site tonight, I have been comforted to know that the asserted goal of this group, namely that: "We believe it is incumbent on ALL presidential candidates to be totally honest and forthcoming regarding personal background and policy information that would help the voting public make an informed decision when choosing the next president of the United States," is the underlying principle of the clearly partisan majority on this forum. Why not set a link directly to the RNC? Your version of the truth is incredibly myopic, and is not consistent with the stated mission of the group. Looks to me to be a sham.

Marine4life · Posted: Fri May 14, 2004 4:36 am Post subject:

The point that everyone is missing is that the person who released these photo's to the press broke the chain of evidence. Any good atty will have them thrown out of Court. I believe that they were staged as an interogation tactic. You can't threaten a person that believes his death will lead to martyrdom. Humiliation on the otherhand is a clear way to make them sing like a canary. Have you done your research, the thumbs up gesture to them means the same as our middle finger, note the pictures of that. I don't support those tactics so don't get me wrong, I would have used different methods. In the photos you see females doing the acts, this is a people that believe that women have no say and they treat them horribly. So do you think that by staging this with a woman in the picture would have a humiliating effect on them. By the way I am waiting for the terrorists to appologize for 9-11, and all of the many evil things that they have done to our people for the past 30 years or so.
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carpro · Admin Joined: 10 May 2004 Posts: 1176 Location: Texas

mikest · PO2 Joined: 11 May 2004 Posts: 377

This is one of those threads that depresses me on so many counts. From the start with the defence of Rumsfeld to the end where someone tries to give context where none should be.

Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz
The chief people along with Cheney who screwed us from the beginning on Iraq. First they bring in Chalabi. As didcussed on other threads, this man is the most untrustworthy person in Iraq. He lied about the weapons, he gave bogus info from other defectors, he has created his own feifdom through blackmail and bribes. The state dept and CIA informed Rumsfeld and the others that he was not reliable in the least. He is wanted in Jordan for bank fraud. He promiced us he would help make Iraq more Israeli friendly but has been working with Iran. In short, dealing with this man was one of the biggest blunders made. Yet he is still one of the favorites of these guys.

The WMD', regardless of what was said in the beginning of the thread are not there. Ask David Kay. If you gave me a dollar for every "document" that has been found and discredited, I could retire. Rumsfeld knew exactly where they were, but they were not there. Someone upthread belittled Blix, but I can't for the life of me figure out why. He asked for a few more months and was shouted down, mocked and accused of covering thigs up. Here we are over a year later and still no weapons.

Said it before, say it again. Generals Shenseki and Zinni both said we needed way more forces for the ocupation. Not a few, but at least another 100,000. General Powell had the same opinion both in the first and second war. They were ridiculed. They were drummed out of the service and laughed at. Guess what? They were right.

More later. Much more. But here is part. I don't expect the wastes of life who attacked us on 9/11 to appoligize. These people are the worst of the worst. But I expect the people who represent my country to be better. I don't want my country to be less bad than them, I want to be the best country, where people just say "I want to be like them."

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carpro · Admin Joined: 10 May 2004 Posts: 1176 Location: Texas

A mission statement is a mission statement is a mission statement. No surprises here. Still looks clear to me.
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Crash999 · Seaman Recruit Joined: 14 May 2004 Posts: 4

mikest · PO2 Joined: 11 May 2004 Posts: 377

OK then.

Navy Wife
Please stop listening to talk radio. There is so little truth in it, that's why the call it entertainment. I looked for any story on the documents you spoke of and even Newsmax does not have it. Hans Blix was doing everything he could to find the weapons, including going to every "High value" target he was given. Every oe of them turned up empty. David Kay was supposed to be the savior and find huge stockpiles of them. He has since said that they are most likely not there and were probably destroyed in the early 90' with the rest destroyed when Clinton bombed them in 98ish.

The Berg murder was horrible. But the people on the left are not attacking him. Free Republic is doing a vicious, ugly job of that themselves. But to even try to blame his death on the left is absurd. This sort of thing has been going on forever. The first I remeber in the Aquilli Largo(sp?) and I am sure some of the older people here have plenty of examples themselves. We are about the only people who didn't know the torture and abuse was going on. It was well known in Iraq and there is a picture of a sculpture going around to prove it. Go to any Iraqi blog and run through their archives and you will see it discussed extencively. Terrorists don't need an excuse to kill us, they just do it.

You say that the pictures were no big deal. You are wrong. My brother, who is a born again Christian who lived in a Muslim country understands how bad this was. He has read, and understands better than anyone I know, the Koran and he said there is not a corisponding thing you could do to a Christian that is even remotely as bad and offensive. It was assinine and totally counter productive. I am no fan of Bush's, but I think he is more right on this issue than anyone else. He has said it was wrong, totally un American and there is no excuse for it. I wish more people would take his lead on this. When he went to the Pentagon and saw the pictures of the rape, he had one of the most depressed look on his face that I have ever seen. If you have a son, imagine him being raped on camera. These pictures are not faked, that has been confirmed by the pentagon. I said in my choice thread that this will hurt us with the moderate Muslims who we need if we ever want to get peace going in the ME.

This whole issue is terrible. There is no context or perspective for it. What happened there is just plain wrong. These soldiers, contractors and the superiors have set back the war and our reputations in the world by a mile. Where once we were able to say we were the model of human rights, we now have tangable proof that we do these things. Are we worse than the terrorists? Absolutely not. But if you don't think it will take a toll on our credibility, you are very wrong.

mikest · PO2 Joined: 11 May 2004 Posts: 377

By the way, this is the guy that appearently killed Berg.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4431601/

thesaur · Seaman Recruit Joined: 14 May 2004 Posts: 1

I think the photos referred to were those taken from pornographic websites and used as anti-US propaganda in the Middle East. WND published a rebuttal of the photos May 4:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38335

Nearly a week later, May 12, they were published in the Boston Globe resulting from a May 11th press conference of a Boston city councilman:

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2004/05/12/2_cite_photos_purported_to_show_abuse/

Their later apology is pretty devoid of any content:

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38464

This was after the US Embassy in Cairo called for a retraction on May 9th:

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38409

Here's another article detailing the fact that they were indeed acted out for money:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38352

Whatever you think about WND, this was simply a matter of research, and they broke the news first.