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War Dog · Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 1:12 am Post subject:

That does not change the fact that you seem to be defending the fact that Berger just took copies, and therefore it's okay for that to happen. Is that correct? Do you defend Berger, or condemn him?

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ASPB · Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 3:11 am Post subject:

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ASPB · Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 3:42 am Post subject:

Navy_Navy_Navy · Admin Joined: 07 May 2004 Posts: 5777

Okay, Doug - it just sounded to me like you were defending him.

I'm glad to hear that you're not.

As for conspiracy theories, everyone's allowed to have an opinion, and if it seems that he was sent on mission because of the way the pieces of the puzzle are falling, then it's no less plausible a theory than the one floated immediately after the leak about the timing of the leak being attributable to Republican dirty tricks. Wink

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And thanks Me-You for the heads-up about these possibly NOT being only copies, but unique documents. All I'd heard so far was that they were copies.

A little less to wonder about if this is, indeed, the case, hm?
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ASPB · Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 4:04 am Post subject:

Doug,

Yeah! We're supposed to trust the NY Slimes and MMM? BTW, no one with half a brain reads anything in the tabloid press, left or right, if they want facts and not spin. Yellow Journalism anyone? Read some of the good Weblogs on both sides of the political spectrum and you might find a modicum of truth.

Please stop spinning and misdirecting the discussion. If you want to wait for the demagogues you support to spin this off topic that's the nornal response of a demagogue!

You're sounding more like Lanny Davis and Chris Matthews every day!

The Hambergler took the "one" available photocopy of each draft from the reading room. You know it, I know it, and anyone with a brain knows it.

You want me to accept the word of the Hambergler and his attorney? Not a chance! I remember Tammany Hall, "Boss" Tom, and Mayor Dick Daley. And don't give us the "timing of the leak spin". September 15th would have been the time for Republicans to leak this.

It was leaked by Demagogocrats to have it hidden by the media in the hype of the Demagogic Convention. Just an opinion. Check with Lanny Davis if you don't believe me!

BTW, Who really won the 1960 presidential election? That is excluding election fraud in Texas (Johnson) and Illinois (Daley)? Nixon!
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http://pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/opinion/archive/s_204906.html

A new Berger scenario
Sunday, July 25, 2004

What was Sandy Berger up to when he "inadvertently" removed versions of a classified National Archives memo that critiqued Clinton administration intelligence and security efforts regarding the millennium celebrations? We still don't know.

But a bigger question is being posed by some of the well-sourced wags with whom we regularly converse. In fact, one says the thrust of the federal investigation now looking into Mr. Berger's actions should center not necessarily on what was taken from the archived files but what was placed in them.

Berger has acknowledged removing his handwritten notes taken during a review of classified documents. That's a violation of National Archives policy. And he says he mistakenly took the copies of the aforementioned memo, different drafts written by Bush-bashing anti-terrorism coordinator Richard A. Clarke. Some of those copies remain missing.

But a new scenario has Berger, who only took notes on an initial visit last fall, placing material -- again, related to the millennium terrorists threats -- into the files on his second and third visits.

And adding an entirely new layer of intrigue to the story is word that telephone calls made by Berger during those latter two visits may have been monitored by an "unauthorized agency."

The House Government Reform Committee says it will conduct a separate investigation into the matter. We trust it will press to learn not only what was placed in those files but to whom Berger was talking and what about.
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ASPB · Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 7:06 am Post subject:

To answer your signature question, Jay,

Kerry's Krew are Klumsy enough not to know the difference between Cat Lo and Cam Rahn Bay, after all they're not locations in Massacommunists.

What's notable in this is that Kerry isn't smart enough to edit the swill spewing from his demagogkettes. But...that's Ok, he doesn't have time to read National Security Briefings either.

hmmm....

Kerry's Klumsy Krew! Does it remind you of the Robert Byrd wing of the Demagogic Party? Evil or Very Mad

Dame Sus Votas! Se doy nada!
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War Dog · Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 12:03 am Post subject:

Sorry Doug, no dice. You say you are not defending Berger, then you turn around and do exactly that. You say he committed a crime, then you turn around and deny it, and defend him.

Looks like you are as much of a 'flip-flopper' as your hero!

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sa_vet · Seaman Recruit Joined: 29 Jul 2004 Posts: 2

Something that is missing from the discussion of "copies" vs "originals" vs "unique documents" is this:

The 9/11 Commission was investigating HOW the government (including the Clinton administration) acted/reacted during the years prior to 9/11. The different versions of documents, the handwritten notes in the margins between drafts and final versions are all very relevent to HOW the government (mis)managed the intelligence and foreign policy aspects of the "war on terror".

So when folks say they were copies, you need to parse the facts very carefully. Certainly the facsimile copies of the printed original documents may be available elsewhere, but the copies with Berger's handwritten notes, or Clinton's handwritten notes may provide a DRAMATICALLY different perspective on how and why things happened the way they did. Destroying the "version" that had Clinton's handwriting in the margin might be important depending on what the notes said.

Remember, the NATL ARCHIVES got the specific documents they got because they were "relevent to the presidency"; not because they are just a dumping ground for extra copies of documents...