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[Me#1You#10]

John Kerry is in for a tough news cycle...enter some heavyweights...

[waltjones]

By God, I think the dam is breaking - also see the thread on the Drudge Report story about Unfit For Command. Can Kerry's abandonment of the candidacy be far behind? How can the Democratic Party withstand this assault? Why can't they run someone with honor, like Zell Miller or even (gulp!) Joe Lieberman? If the Party holds on to Kerry, they're going down with the ship. With any luck, this whole episode, culminating in an anti-Kerry landslide in November, will set barking moonbat liberals back at least a decade - hopefully long enough for the real warriors in this country to take proper care of business! Craig, Sparky, Doug Reese: are you getting all this? Are things moving too fast for you? Semper Fi!
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Walt Jones (USMC, '65 - '69) It says much about the person who defends a man with no honor.

[LewWaters]

Note: at the end of the article is the usual Kerry campaign whining of at least Kerry was close enough to combat. He may have spent his scant 4 months there and Bush may have never been there, but I've never heard or read anywhere that Bush lied about us or protested so strongly against us.

His excuse of he was a young man who was angry is also nonsense to my ears. I was 20 when I got there, 22 when I left. I too had strong emotions about Vietnam and the leadership back then, but never felt the need to protest the war or lie about those who served there. Kerry was what, 26 or 27? Sounds to me like he wasn't that young.

Hanoi Jane uses the same excuse to justify her activities and she was in her mid 30s. Neither gets a pass from me.

[ASPB]

[waltjones]

Sorry, Tom, but until Doug explains how a Vietnam vet like himself, who knows Kerry's background, can vote for such a slimy and dishonorable person, I can only assume that his only reason for supporting Kerry is he hates Bush. That puts him right in there with the trolls as far I'm concerned. If he would explain himself, I'll be happy to remove him from that category. Tell me how I'm mistaken, Doug, or accept the label!

Semper Fi!
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Walt Jones (USMC, '65 - '69) It says much about the person who defends a man with no honor.

[JN173]

Afraid I have to go along with ASPB and stick my head up again.

I believe Doug to be confused, but I can't agree with putting him in the same catagory as Craig and Sparky. Doug has contributed greatly to my understanding of the situation in the Delta during that period. Especially since he doesn't talk all that swabbie lingo and I can understand what he's saying. Doug has also stayed away from the innuendo and personal attack.

You're right Walt in that I can't understand how any Viet Vet can support Kerry, but civil discourse about our differences is what the 1st Admendment is all about and the 5th says we don't have to answer the question if we're afraid of the answer.(or something like that!)

INCOMING! HIT IT!
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A Grunt
2/503 173rd Airborne Brigade
RVN '65-'66

[waltjones]

Guess I'll have to go along with JN173 on this one - our justice system does allow people NOT to incriminate themselves! Thanks for a new perspective, grunt! I do agree that Doug's accounts of river action have been informative, and I have never cast doubt upon those accounts.

Semper Fi!
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Walt Jones (USMC, '65 - '69) It says much about the person who defends a man with no honor.

[Navy_Navy_Navy]

We also need to be very careful about how we speak to each other here for this ONE overriding concern:

There is going to be a lot of traffic here from people who have never been in the military and do not understand the magnitude of the betrayal dealt to his brothers and sisters - they don't understand the emotions that surround it.

Thirty+ years, most of these guys have remained silent even though they believed Kerry to be a snake. As long as he wasn't *their* Senator, they just tried to compartmentalize him and not think about him.

It was only the horror of the idea of having this man in charge of our younger brothers and sisters in arms that brought most of these people out of their closets to speak up and tell what Kerry has meant to them as Vietnam veterans. Together, they form a deep and forceful truth.

I have often read posts from some of you with tears and even rage for what you have endured.

I understand the betrayal and the hurt and the fear for our armed forces and for our safety as a country if this ___________ is elected.

Many of our visitors will not. And that's my most important point.

They may see direct personal questioning as "bullying," or thumping someone in the chest with a cyber finger, because they don't know even the short history of this forum and site.

They weren't here for the troll influxes. They haven't been here for the arguments. All they're going to see is some of us "picking" on a few people who appear to be reasonable and unemotional in response.

We might be talking to one person when we post, but what we might not realize as we're writing is that we're talking to hundreds of people a day, too.

Personally, I don't know how a veteran can learn all this stuff about Kerry and still think he's an "all right guy."

I think Kerry has all the morals of a snake. I think he will do anything to get elected and he's been working toward it since he was a very young man hanging out on the real JFK's yacht. I think he has betrayed the soldiers of his generation on several counts and he is betraying the soldiers of this one. (and in HIS OWN WORDS, he is proud of it!)

But, we tread a thin line with regard to all the people who will visit here. What will they see? Reasoned arguments and strong opinions about Kerry, or "attacks" on other posters?

Long-winded way of getting my point across - never say in ten words what you can say in a hundred or two.

Let's promote the Swifts' message in every positive way that we can.
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~ Echo Juliet ~
Altering course to starboard - On Fire, Keep Clear
Navy woman, Navy wife, Navy mother

[waltjones]

OK, Navy, I get the point, but maybe one of our visitors can answer what is an extremely important question for me: How can any fully informed Vietnam veteran support John Kerry? I have not heard, either here or anywhere else, a reasonable answer to that question. Since this forum started in early May, I have only seen 2 'Nam vets post here who support Kerry, and neither one gave me a clue as to why. One of them had not heard much of Kerry's words and actions; when I showed him (he's a USMC 'Nam vet) Kerry's mockery of Iwo, he disappeared - never to return. I can only conclude that, as a Marine, he was so ashamed about contemplating what he was about to do that he left. Semper Fi!
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Walt Jones (USMC, '65 - '69) It says much about the person who defends a man with no honor.

[carpro]

[fortdixlover]

[Uisguex Jack]

Fortdix, you may appreciate this tid bit from my radio listening this past weekend. I am sure there will be vicious retorts from the Kerry camp.
This I posted on a WMD thread earlier:

Uisguex Jack wrote:

[Indianbaboon]

[Navy_Navy_Navy]