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shawa
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 Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 7:30 am Post subject: Clinton Adds Voice To Criticism of Guantánamo |
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THIS IS HUGE!!!
Al Jazeera thought they had a big bonanza in Little Dickie Durbin. They now have the Big Bubba, ole Global Bill Clinton!!
THIS MAKES ME FURIOUS!!!!
| Quote: | Clinton adds voice to criticism of Guantánamo
By Lionel Barber and Paul Taylor in New York
Published: June 19 2005 23:53 | Last updated: June 20 2005 00:17
Bill Clinton has become the most prominent figure so far to add his voice to criticisms of the US prison camp at Guantánamo Bay in Cuba.
In an interview with the Financial Times, the former president called for the camp, set up to hold suspected terrorists, to “be closed down or cleaned up”.
Mr Clinton joined critics at home and abroad who have singled out the indefinite detention of prisoners without trial and widespread reports of human rights violations at Guantánamo. “It is time that there are no more stories coming out of there about people being abused,” he said.
Mr Clinton said the test for judging whether harsh treatment of terrorist suspects was justified was whether it challenged the “fundamental nature” of American society. If the answer is Yes, you have already given the terrorists a profound victory.”
The Bush administration has been rocked by criticism of prisoner abuse at Guantanamo Bay, which holds more than 500 prisoners, most of them captured in Afghanistan and Iraq. Mr Bush has said that he might be willing to explore alternatives to the detention centre.
The Guantánamo detainees have been classified as “unlawful enemy combatants” rather than prisoners of war and are therefore not subject to the Geneva Convention or to US law. The US military has admitted to using coercive interrogation techniques on prisoners but denied that these amount to torture.
Mr Clinton said uniformed US military personnel had been “very outspoken” about abuses at Guantánamo and elsewhere.
Aside from moral issues, there were two practical objections to the US military abusing prisoners, he said. “If we get a reputation for abusing people it puts our own soldiers much more at risk and second, if you rough up somebody bad enough, they'll eventually tell you whatever you want to hear to get you to stop doing it.” Mr Clinton was careful to avoid criticising the administration on the issue of indefinite detention. In three or four cases, his own administration had resorted to a US law that allows suspected terrorists to be held beyond the normal length of time without trial, if bringing an indictment or trial would compromise intelligence sources.
“It sounds so reasonable but you're the guy that is in prison and you are not guilty, you could be held there three, four, five years and there has to be some limit to that,” he said.
Amnesty International stoked controversy over Guantánamo Bay by calling it “the gulag of our time”, however it was criticised for drawing a comparison between US military prison and Soviet-era labour camps.
Last week, Senator Dick Durbin, a Democrat, got into similar hot water for comparing American interrogation techniques to those employed by Hitler and Stalin's regimes. He later issued a clarification.
During the interview Mr Clinton also discussed his role as special United Nations representative on tsunami relief and the Clinton Global Initiative, his plan to bring together politicians and business people to discuss solutions to some of the world's most intractable problems. |
http://news.ft.com/cms/s/9189fb54-e0f1-11d9-a3fb-00000e2511c8.html
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PhantomSgt
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| Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 6:38 pm Post subject: Re: Clinton Adds Voice To Criticism of Guantánamo |
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| shawa wrote: | THIS IS HUGE!!!
Al Jazeera thought they had a big bonanza in Little Dickie Durbin. They now have the Big Bubba, ole Global Bill Clinton!!
THIS MAKES ME FURIOUS!!!!
| Quote: | Clinton adds voice to criticism of Guantánamo
By Lionel Barber and Paul Taylor in New York
Published: June 19 2005 23:53 | Last updated: June 20 2005 00:17
Amnesty International stoked controversy over Guantánamo Bay by calling it “the gulag of our time”, however it was criticised for drawing a comparison between US military prison and Soviet-era labour camps.
Last week, Senator Dick Durbin, a Democrat, got into similar hot water for comparing American interrogation techniques to those employed by Hitler and Stalin's regimes. He later issued a clarification.
During the interview Mr Clinton also discussed his role as special United Nations representative on tsunami relief and the Clinton Global Initiative, his plan to bring together politicians and business people to discuss solutions to some of the world's most intractable problems. |
http://news.ft.com/cms/s/9189fb54-e0f1-11d9-a3fb-00000e2511c8.html |
Clinton adds voice to criticism of Guantánamo
Of course Clinton would support Durbin's comments as he failed to do anything to stop terror on his watch. If one needs to lay blame for the situation we find ourselves in now, it falls at the feet of Clinton.
Amnesty International
Maybe they should visit Gitmo before they make blanket judgements. Of course their chances of getting into Gitmo are about the same as the ACLU.
Last week, Senator Dick Durbin, a Democrat.
I really can't blame Durbin since he is a product of his environment. When you hang out with ******** (Kerry, Kennedy, Dean, Reid, Pelosi, Boxer etc.) it tends to rub off on you.
Of course we will never see a Standard Form 180 from Durbin as the Senator never served a day in the military and has not earned the right to shine the boots of those he degrades.
During the interview Mr Clinton also discussed his role as special United Nations representative
Come on Billy. There is nothing special about being a UN representative. Admit it Billy, you're just in it to get a kitchen pass from Witch Hilliary to troll for babes.
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GM Strong
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We are still trying to clean up after your disaster Bill. You should spend some time at Gitmo.
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Deuce
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| GM Strong wrote: | | We are still trying to clean up after your disaster Bill. You should spend some time at Gitmo. |
He's a natural....Bubba Clinton, Special US ENvoy to Gitmo...
and Dickie Durbin could be his Special Senate Liason, with Lunkhead Kerry special rep for Naval Anti-American activities.....whata 3some!!!!!!! The Senate must be very Proud....
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GM Strong
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| Deuce wrote: | | GM Strong wrote: | | We are still trying to clean up after your disaster Bill. You should spend some time at Gitmo. |
He's a natural....Bubba Clinton, Special US ENvoy to Gitmo...
and Dickie Durbin could be his Special Senate Liason, with Lunkhead Kerry special rep for Naval Anti-American activities.....whata 3some!!!!!!! The Senate must be very Proud....
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Stick them in with a few of the worst and see how they come out after 48 hrs of apologizing. Not intact I guarentee you. Goats would be better treated by the detainees.
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rparrott21
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| My nightmare continues..I grew up in Arkansas with Clinton as Gov..then he is President, Hilliary as a maybe Pres..and Bill as a maybe Un head...Please make them go away so I can live in peace.. |
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rparrott21
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| If Billy means taking away the prayer rugs, Koran, speical diet, air conditioning, then I am for cleaning the place up..Give Big Bill a broom and dust pan.. |
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Tanya
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http://www.arabnews.com/?page=7§ion=0&article=65879&d=25&m=6&y=2005
Editorial: Gitmo: America’s Shame
25 June 2005
"Last week, former US President Clinton joined the swelling chorus within the US demanding the closure of the detention center at Guantanamo Bay. Either that or clean the place up, he said. The constant abuse stories coming out of it has to stop.
Hardly are the words out of his mouth then, fast on the heels of the Qur’an desecration stories, come new shocking allegations about Guantanamo." |
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dcornutt
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Heck,
Lets give them the same rights as we do every citizen...put them in one of OUR Prisons. Let them eat what they eat. Let them experience what they do. And just DARE let them throw feces, flood the toilets, etc..etc. They'll get "extracted", beatup, hogtied, and tossed on the cement floor of a solitary cell...left like that..for a day or so to chill.
Yep..his court date is in 8 months. But, his "date" date is every night. (Bubba). He wouldn't get his special diet. They could care less if his Koran gets flushed down the toilet. Probably somebody would steal it to use the pages for rolling papers. They wouldn't last 8 months to even see a judge.
Sure...send em to "our" jails. |
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LewWaters
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| Quote: | | The constant abuse stories coming out of it has to stop. |
Easier and less expensive, and a lot safer for all concerned, would be for Clinton to publicly call on his colleagues to stop exaggerating and fabricating every little story they can imagine.
Had he paid more attention to his responsibility as POTUS, instead of to Monica, a lot of this may have been prevented.
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blue9t3
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Hmm! (be closed down or cleaned up) Has the stench left the cigar room?-------ask sir hillary!  
ps. she was shocked!!!!!!
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GM Strong
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He's right. The constant PHONY abuse stories have to stop. But then he should know all about things that are phony.
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