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tngator
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| LewWaters wrote: | | I don't know about in the Navy, but in the Army, you had to really be a total loser or goof up to get a less than satisfactory EER(Army's Enlisted Efficiency Rating). I assume that is the equivalent to your Fitness Reports. |
same way in the Air Force ---> might as well had a check off for 'can you breathe', LOL. Fitness reports are useless unless you are a general grade officer (atleast in the AF). Every eval that I received took my rater less than 5 minutes to write and even less time to administer.
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LewWaters
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| Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2004 6:15 am Post subject: |
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As the NCOIC of a small Aviation unit at Ft. Bragg, I often had to type my own EERs and have the rating officer sign them.
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Cowboy
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| Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2004 7:05 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for posting the info on how to read fitness reports. I also got the link to work and saved a copy on my disk drive in case the forum goes off-line.
Clearly, Kerry believes the TV ad is going to hurt his campaign, as otherwise, he wouldn't be trying to use lawyers to bully the media into not broadcasting the ad.
I think it's pretty ironic. Michael Moore produces F-911, in which he accuses Bush of trying to crush dissent and is supporting Kerry. However, here is Kerry, who has implicitly endorsed F-911 by putting Moore in a VIP seat with Carter at the Dem convention, attempting to suppress the ability of the swiftees to publicize their political opinion.
Keep up the good work. The nation is once again indebted for your service. |
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Indianbaboon
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| Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2004 7:26 am Post subject: |
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| Scott wrote: | My favorite DU quote:
| A Generic Moonbat wrote: | Democrats just don't have the heart for fighting these kinds of vicious attacks.
These people are EVIL. Who wants to play with the Devil anyway?
They are going to do one HELL of a job on our man Kerry.
All I can say is Disgusting!!! (and then go vote!) |
Keep it up, folks! The moonbats "don't have the heart for fighting these kinds of vicious attacks"!
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so they don't call republicans racists, bigots, heartless, etc?
news to me |
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LewWaters
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| Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2004 7:52 am Post subject: |
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IB, the most common term I see over there is Repukes. 
Ah, the tolerant left is always showing such tolerance for those who have the audacity to disagree with them 
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Indianbaboon
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| Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2004 7:57 am Post subject: |
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| Scott wrote: | My favorite DU quote:
| A Generic Moonbat wrote: | Democrats just don't have the heart for fighting these kinds of vicious attacks.
These people are EVIL. Who wants to play with the Devil anyway?
They are going to do one HELL of a job on our man Kerry.
All I can say is Disgusting!!! (and then go vote!) |
Keep it up, folks! The moonbats "don't have the heart for fighting these kinds of vicious attacks"!
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so they don't call republicans racists, bigots, heartless, etc?
news to me |
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MilBrat
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Joined: 06 Aug 2004
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Location: North Central Texas
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| Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2004 9:49 am Post subject: |
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| Navy_Navy_Navy wrote: | I'm posting the "how to read fitreps" from the site because it's temporarily unavailable - this is just too important and people need to know "the code" in order to see that what look like nice fitness reports aren't so cool.
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Navyx3
First off, allow me to introduce myself to this august group of "Real Heroes", The American GI's & Vets. I am humbled and honored to have the privilege to be able to comment on this forum. I salute you all!
I learned about this site from two totally seperate sources, just today (8-5-04)! My wife brought home from work (County Govt Office) a print out of "Kerry's Shipmates Speaking out" (posted on this forum), and in an e-mail from a good friend I knew in Missouri, a 23 year West Point Bird Col, USA Ret, and former Deputy Chief Commander of TROSCOM in St. Louis, also a Viet Vet with three Air Medals (which he refused to wear, claiming they were intended for the pilots)! He was just a passenger in the "Bush Planes" doing Recon on bridges he had to either build or blow-up..
I am the son of a career O-4 Air Force Officer and Sr. Pilot (Bombers) who served our country in WWII and Korea, was awarded a Presidential Unit Citation in the Combat Unit to which he was assigned in the latter conflict, in addition to the usual collection of "Been There" ribbons. Dad retired in Aug. '62 and died May '70 at the ripe old age of fifty!
Having grown up living on Military Bases (Mostly SAC), many in foreign countries and US Territories, I "picked up" a little of the "military speak" used in daily reports, assignment orders, etc. and was able to "pick out" some of the subtle "dings" that "Navy" noted. I particulary noticed the "drop" in Kerry's ratings from the best to nearly average.
I've often heard these types of evaluations referred to as "Damnation by faint praise"..
I also thought it strange that a "JG" was assigned as a Flag Officer's Aide after such a "heroic" and "lengthy?" combat tour.
If Kerry was such a "Hot Rock" (Flyboy term) boat commander, would it not stand to reason that the Navy version of "FEMCOM" keep this officer In Country for continued effective use and potential superior command?
I thought the "length of tour" was just under one year.. I guess I was mistaken. But as "Navy" noted, Kerry didn't get the required OOD and Destroyer ratings on his "military resume".. Civilians wouldn't know the importance of these items. Hopefully enough Vets will read Kerry's "limited" records, learn the truth and spread the word.. It is getting around to the civilian sector
The major thing I wanted to point out is one of the "medical reports" used for Kerry's third PH.. I noticed it was on a DD1300. While this form is a "Casualty Report", it is (or was in '70) used as a Death Certificate, I have my Dad's DD1300 and it is a totally different form!. I also have his three DD214's (Army enlisted, Army Officer, Air Force Officer). While forms change over the years, there remains a few "constants"... Kerry's "1300" issued in '69 looked nothing like my Dad's "1300". Plus my Dad's "214's" listed a lot more "detailed" information than Kerry's did. (in comparing ten years of both). Plus, it appeared that some of Kerry's "records" were either FAXed or "Scanned" and sent over the Internet. I have two over-stuffed briefcases of every document, flight order, promotion list and transfer orders, as well as his flight logs (and all our "Dog Tags" [required in Occupied Japan]), my Dad ever received, I did have to request, from St Louis, his 201 file, which they only sent part of. Was my Dad unusual in keeping all his "paperwork"?? Wouldn't a "hero" like Kerry have kept all his records, as well?? Something to think about.
I'm not really "up" on how Navy promotions are "handed out", but do know if an Officer is "Passed Over" twice for a promotion, he is an "Instant Civilian" with loss of all military benefits. I find it strange that such an "excellent Officer" with a "Hero Status" combat record, who was recommended for a promotion "below the zone" would NOT be "up" for O-4 Lt. Cmdr by ten years in grade, much less retaining O-2 "JG" grade, he should have at least made full Lt ("Railroad Track" Capt) in those ten years.. Maybe that's why Kerry "requested a release" from the Navy (The AF had you "resign" your Commission or allowed you to be "assigned" to CONUS Inactive Reserve to finish out your twenty)..
I believe this is a small part of the "smoking gun" of truth about Kerry's military service.
Sorry to be so lengthy..
Keep up the great work, y'all are doing a great job!
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fortdixlover
Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy
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| Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2004 9:58 am Post subject: |
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| djv wrote: | The ad has gotten a lot of play today.
However the main theme I have seen is:
Did the SBV spokesman actually serve on Kerry's boat?
No, then you can't speak about Kerry's Vietnam Service.
Even Jack Chenoweth who was on another boat but same mission is not qualified to speak. |
Soldiers:
The DMV/Kerry campaiagn lawyers' arguments are absurd. Typical lawyer intimidation. You've got their number!
See these comments from other lawyers, the authors of PowerLine:
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/007389.php
John Kerry Channels Oscar Wilde
As the Trunk noted earlier today, lawyers representing the Democratic National Committee and Kerry-Edwards 2004 have written letters to television stations denouncing the ad by Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, and demanding that the stations refuse to run the ad. The letter implicitly threatens legal action if the ad is run.
The letter has been reproduced by Human Events here. At this point, I have no way to know whether the charges made by the Swift Boat group are true or not. But in some respects, the claims made in the Kerry lawyers' letter are ludicrous. The lawyers write:
The advertisement contains by men who purport to have served on Senator Kerry's SWIFT boat in Vietnam, and one statement by a man pretending to be the doctor who treated Senator Kerry for one of his injuries. In fact, not a single one of the men who pretend to have served with Senator Kerry was actually a crewmate of Senator Kerry's and the man pretending to be his doctor was not.
This attack is absurd; the Swift Boat ad never says that the sailors depicted were on Kerry's boat. Rather, they say they served with Kerry in Vietnam. In some instances they were on other Swift Boats. In some instances, they were obviously senior commanders in Vietnam, not "crewmates" of John Kerry.
As to the physician, the Kerry letter seems very artfully phrased. The paragraph quoted above says the man in the ad was "not [Kerry's] doctor." Later, the letter says "the 'doctor' who appears in the ad, Louis Letson, was not a crewmate of Senator Kerry's and was not the doctor who actually signed Senator Kerry's sick call sheet. Letson is not listed on any document as having treated Senator Kerry after the December 2, 1968, firefight."
Note that, if you add up all of these allegations, the letter never actually says that Letson didn't treat Kerry. When a lawyer says that a particular fact is not reflected in "any document" -- I speak from experience here -- alarm bells should go off. That's very different from saying that it isn't true. And the assertion that Dr. Letson was not a crewmate of Kerry's seems ridiculous on its face; I assume that the Swift boats didn't have doctors on them.
Maybe I'm missing something here, but this seems like an amazingly dumb strategy. The Democratic talking points on the Swift Boat Veterans include the claim--as stated in the Kerry lawyers' letter--that "the group is a sham organization spearheaded by a Texas media consultant. It has been financed largely with funds from a Houston homebuilder."
For the Democrats to denounce an organization like the Swift Boat Vets on these grounds, in the midst of an election in which they have funnelled hundreds of millions of dollars into sham organizations, financed by disreputable billionaires like George Soros, is hypocrisy of an extraordinary order. What is really striking about the Swift Boat Vets is how pathetically little money they have raised: a total of around $150,000. This is peanuts in the world of Democratic high finance.
The Swift Boat Vets don't have the money to secure broad distribution for their ad. Their strategy, obviously, is to try to make up in news coverage what they lack in cash. It seems to me that Kerry's strategy plays into the Vets' hands. The more time between now and November that is spent debating the truth of the Vets' charges, the worse for John Kerry. |
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jack white
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| Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2004 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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Every SBVT should mention the threatened (and laughable) DNC lawsuit when interviewed. Kerry's litigation gambit makes even his media sycophants nervous. Incidentally, the DNC took the same tactic against the Club for Growth. There is a pattern here.
Ironically, the DNC almost has assured broadcast outlets in the targeted states will run the commerical. I heard one station owner in Wisconsin brag he had received the letter and promptly sold SBVT air time. Further, these stations while not national in scope won't be in the tank for Kerry because this threatened suit so offended them.
Those who feared a backlash--and the SBVT did this not as a political manuever but to get out the truth, so any Bush or McCain attempts to stop it would have failed--didn't factor into the equation the Left's ham-handed approach to controversy. The DNC was bound to overreach, and did. |
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