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LewWaters
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 Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 3:06 am Post subject: Federal judge rules Patriot Act provisions still too vague |
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| Quote: | Federal judge rules Patriot Act provisions still too vague
By LINDA DEUTSCH
ASSOCIATED PRESS
LOS ANGELES, July 29 — A federal judge has ruled that some provisions of the U.S. Patriot Act dealing with foreign terrorist organizations remain too vague to be understood by a person of average intelligence and are therefore unconstitutional. |
Continued MSNBC
Let's see if I have this right. Congress is empowered to write laws and the Patriot Act, whther we agree with it or not, has overwhelmingly passed and one lone Judge says it isn't written the way she said it must be? One lone Judge has the power to overrule the entire Legislative Branch of our Government?
Makes me wonder. If the Patriot Act is "unconstitutional" due to what she says is "too vague to be understood," why does nearly every small municipality in America also have "vague statutes" that are used constantly to trip up us citizens and levy fines against us to local government?
A case in point. "Service Dogs" only are allowed in stores here. I stepped in a pile of doggie doo recently, in the aisle of a store, obviously from a small animal, too small to fit my definition of a "Service Dog," and other than an irritable floor manager that had to clean it up, while apologizing to me, nothing can be done because someone else believes a "Service Dog" to be whatever comforts them. There is to be no enforcement of keeping dogs out of the store. No vagueness there or defining just what constitutes a "Service Dog."
Yet, pass legislation designed to prevent terrorists from enacting another 9-11 type event and Federal Judges come down against protecting America and instead, protect terrorists.
Oh well, I guess we can now do away with an extremely expensive boondoggle in our government, all members of our Senate and House of Representatives, in lieu of Federal Judges. That ought to be quite a big savings in tax dollars spent  
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Sorta makes you realize the importance of picking the "right" supreme. 
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| Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | too vague to be understood by a person of average intelligence and are therefore unconstitutional |
is the judge referring to her own intelligence?
unconsitutional? pretty ironic, seeing as the senate just renewed it
| Quote: | Washinton Post
Senate Approves Partial Renewal of Patriot Act
Measure Would Limit Search and Seizure Powers
By Dan Eggen
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, July 30, 2005
The Senate approved legislation last night that would make permanent most provisions of the USA Patriot Act anti-terrorism law while placing new limitations on the government's use of secret search and surveillance powers.
The vote, by unanimous consent in the GOP-controlled Senate, marks a defeat for the Bush administration, which campaigned heavily for total renewal of the law and opposed efforts to enact any new restrictions on government powers. The vote sets up fall negotiations between the Senate and the House, where lawmakers have approved legislation with fewer restrictions.
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maybe she means it is too complicated for criminals & terrorists to understand.....and duh.....thats why there are lawyers
more absurdity from the judiciary
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I'm sure Justice Roberts will clear up the issues for the lower courts in the near future.
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| Quote: | | ''Even as amended, the statute fails to identify the prohibited conduct in a manner that persons of ordinary intelligence can reasonably understand,'' the ruling said. |
The educrats have certainly done their part on redefining ordinary intelligence.
If it wasn't for the no child left behind act we would still be graduating Americans from HS that do not know how to read.
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