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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 7:31 pm Post subject: All you've ever wanted to know about the Fair Tax |
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Here's the FINAL SOLUTION that will end the IRS problem once and for all time.
To help all Americans (ESPECIALLY the older ones on a
limited income), everyone should support HR
25, the Fair Tax Act and help President Bush make it a
reality. This will bring America to the pinacle of
prosperity. When HR 25 becomes law, it will give
seniors (and all Americans) an average 10% BOOST in
purchasing power.
E-mail President Bush at: president@whitehouse.gov
and tell
him that you want the Fair Tax Act passed into law
ASAP!!
Go to www.congress.org and tell your congressmen
also.
Here’s the way to generate (inside the U. S. economy)
"heaps & gobs" of money that will be looking for a
place to be spent or invested.
America is currently plagued by the problem of
joblessness, and in spite of the best efforts of those
in charge of remedying it, little, if any, progress is
being made. Other countries such as China, Japan,
Korea, and others seem not to have this problem to the
great extent that the U. S. A. does. America’s retail
shelves are stacked with cheaper foreign goods that
have driven American manufactured goods out of the
market. Americans no longer provide many services in
the U. S. A. because they have been outsourced to
foreign countries such as India because labor costs
are much cheaper there.
Methods of taxation in other countries also contribute
to the American unemployment problem. Most Americans
do not realize the Europeans, Australians, and
Canadians (with their GST----Goods and Sales tax), and
countless others with a VAT (Value Added Tax) have
had a discriminatory tax on American goods and
services for decades! This discriminatory tax is 15
to 25% in Europe.
It works like this: every business has many costs,
one of which is taxes (payroll taxes, profits taxes,
etc.). In the U. S. A., these costs, like all other
costs, are included in the prices of our products, but
we don’t itemize (clearly showing) the specific
increment that is taxes. When we ship that product to
Europe, etc., they add the VAT to the already
tax-laden American product.
Companies in the VAT countries, like American
companies, have to pay taxes, but they keep track of
the taxes as the product proceeds along the production
process. They call the incremental taxes VAT. When
the product is put on the retail shelf in Europe,
etc., it includes the VAT, and the VAT is revealed to
the customer.
Now it gets interesting: when a tax-laden American
product (about 22% on average) is put on the shelf
next to the EU product, in Europe, the VAT is added to
the American product. Now the American product is
20+% more expensive than the comparable EU product!
Guess which one sells?
Conversely, when the EU product is
exported, they remove the VAT! When that EU product is
exported to the US, it sits on the retail shelf in the
US with no taxes included right next to the American
product with all the taxes included! So, once again,
the American product is 20+% more expensive than the
comparable EU product, and on our own shores! Guess
which one sells?
We have put up with this nonsense for
decades, while we debate tariffs on foreign steel and
other like products produced domestically in the U. S.
A. that must be protected from foreign competition if
our domestic industry is to survive. Tariffs and other
protectionism measures have not proven to be a
satisfactory solution in protecting our domestic job
market. The Smoot-Hawley tariff of 1930 was enacted
to protect the American farmer from competition from
much cheaper imported farm products. It represents
the high-water mark of U.S. protectionism in the
twentieth century, and it precipitated negative
results (retaliation by other countries).
There is a plan all ready to go that, if
enacted into law now, will produce the kind of
super-rapid economic growth and new job-creation that
is sorely needed, plus generate many additional good
results for our nation! It is H.R. 25, the Fair Tax
Act of 2003. This bill has bi-partisan sponsorship,
widespread support among the hard-working
taxpayers/voters, and fast growing support within the
House of Representatives (over 55 co-sponsors) and
Senate.
The Fair Tax will produce these highly
desirable results:
· Our nation will enter a period of many years of
sustained economic growth with new job-creation
unequalled by anything in our past history.
· The Fair Tax plan will bring back a measure of
fairness and freedom to America that has been sorely
trampled-upon by the Income Tax System (and IRS) for
many, many years.
· Receipts from the Fair Tax will be more than
sufficient to fund the Social Security System and
Medicare, plus enable the government to meet its needs
and steadily pay-down the national debt.
The Fair Tax draws on a much larger tax
base (our GNP, gross national product each year, when
it is sold) than does the income tax; virtually no one
will be able to evade paying at the "check-out"
register. This will lighten the load for all of us.
Under the Fair Tax the "sticker price" of all that you
buy will fall 20-30%. So, even with the 23% Fair Tax
added on, the cost of living would be no more than it
is now, more likely it would be less.
The Fair Tax will:
· Replace the current complex and unfair federal tax
system with a simple sales tax.
· Eliminate personal and corporate income taxes and
Social Security, Medicare, gift and estate taxes.
· Save taxpayers $250-$600 billion now being wasted in
complying with the current tax code.
· Lower "sticker" prices 20-30% by removing the cost
of business compliance with the current tax code.
· Make American products more competitive with foreign
products. Thus, hurling American manufacturing levels
to dizzying heights not seen within recent memory.
· Provide a more stable revenue source and raise the
same amount of money for the federal government with
the imposition of a 23% sales tax with no loopholes.
· Dramatically lower tax rates for lower and
middle-income Americans by pre-bate payments to
households to offset the sales tax on necessities.
· Protect and ensure the funding of Social Security
and Medicare.
· Repeal the 16th Amendment and eliminate the Internal
Revenue Service as we know it. Taxes on income will
no longer be constitutional.
· Bring capital investment flooding onto American
shores. Business, no longer being taxed, will enjoy
America as a "tax sanctuary", the most
“business-friendly” nation on earth.
Whole-heartedly support House Resolution #25---the
Fair Tax reform proposal as a curative solution to
relieve the American people of the tyranny of our
present tax system (income tax IRS) and put Americans
back to work. That would be a great legacy to leave
the American people.
The current 7-million-word tax code requires 1,168
pages (2 volumes) to publish, and an additional 6,439
pages of Federal Tax regulations that apply to income
taxes. The IRS has created 480 tax forms with an
additional 280 to explain how to fill out the 480.
More Americans work in tax compliance occupations
(CPAs, tax attorneys, etc.) than serve in the entire
U.S. Armed Forces. The IRS is twice as big as the CIA
and five times the size of the FBI. The compliance
costs dwarf the amount of the tax collected. In
addition to that, the IRS spends a yearly $10 billion
budget. The total national cost of compliance (not
counting the taxes paid) is $250 billion yearly.
That's $850 per capita of U.S. population.
The Fair Tax reform proposal, which may be fully
understood at the website www.fairtax.org , is the
best alternative to replace the IRS. It is a simple
(retail only) national sales tax. It is not a VAT
(value added tax---applied at every level of the
production process). Business-to-business
transactions, not being retail, are not taxed. Nothing
is deducted from the employee’s paycheck. He has to
spend it on new goods only, not used goods, for it to
be taxed. Thus, one is in charge of one’s own "tax
destiny.”
The individual person is allowed to spend the first
$8,860 of his yearly income tax-free (he will get
monthly reimbursement refund checks for taxes paid on
that amount), $17,720 (for a couple), $20,800
(household of 3), $23,880 (h.h. of 4), $26,960 (h.h.
of 5), $30,040 (h.h. of 6), $33,120 (h.h. of 7), $36,
200 (h.h. of .
Under this system, "sticker" prices would fall 20-30%,
thus, giving our exports a much better competitive
edge when sold abroad. This would "kick" the economy
into high gear. Businesses (no longer having to send
the IRS any money at all) would simply pass the
savings on to the consumer, their shareholders, and
their employees as higher wages. Forty-five of the
fifty states use a sales tax to generate revenue
because they know that it is the fairest, simplest,
easiest, most cost-effective, most problem-free method
of taxation. The state taxing authority in each state
would assume the duty of collecting the national sales
tax for the U. S. government. Only the retailers file
a tax return stating the amount of their sales for the
year. For everyone else, April 15 is just another
spring day.
Each taxpayer gets a monthly refund check in the
amount taxed on his spending up to the poverty line.
So, in effect, he is only taxed on his spending above
the poverty line. In no case will anyone sacrifice
more than 23% of his total income to the sales tax,
even if he spends all his income on retail purchases.
Unspent income remains tax-free and available for
investment or education expenses. Compliance cost of
administering the Fair Tax is only $8 billion yearly.
That is a big savings compared to the $250 billion we
now pay. The IRS, with all the taxpayer support
services that it has made necessary, is intolerably
burdensome and expensive.
At the Fair Tax website www.fairtax.org , don't stop
with the first frame. Click on each of the major
headings for more complete information. It will take
awhile to do all this, but it is well worth it. You
will learn everything you've always wanted to know
about the economy and taxation, but were afraid to
ask!
See also:
http://www.fairtaxvolunteer.org/smart/faq-main.html#3
http://www.fairtaxvolunteer.org/materials/comparison.html
and http://www.geocities.com/cmcofer/fca3.html.
Then go to www.congress.org and tell your congressmen
that you want the Fair Tax Act, HR 25, passed into law
ASAP!
America, producing an endless supply of high quality,
competitively priced goods and services, will have a
behemoth-size trade surplus. An ever-expanding
economy will shift the balance of payments in favor of
the U. S. A. America will be a lender to many, a
debtor to none. There will be jobs and income for all
who will work.
“There is nothing more powerful than an idea whose
time has come.” ---Victor Hugo
Sincerely Yours,
John Paul McDaniel
4932 Oak Bluff
Mesquite, Texas 75150-3193
972-226-5798
50 Reasons I Support the FairTax
(How many reasons can you give for supporting the
present obsolete IRS & income tax system?)
Those Who Know the Facts Love the Fair Tax
“Family Friendly Tax Reform”
Tax Reform with far less pain and much more gain!
Out with the Old Code and in with the New
www.fairtax.org
1. It allows you to keep 100% of your paycheck, with
nothing withheld for Social Security and Medicare
payments.
2. It eliminates the regressive payroll tax that hurts
the poor. Currently, every one of us is taxed a
minimum of 7.65% on our first-dollar of wages up to
$90,000, if we earn that much.
3. It assures that the wealthiest Americans will be
voluntarily helping to fund social security with every
last dollar they spend above the poverty level. Today,
earnings are subject to payroll taxes only up to
$90,000. The wealthiest Americans therefore do not pay
into the system above that amount. If their earnings
are from investments, no earnings fund the Social
Security system. Under the FairTax, a single purchase
(regardless of the source of the earnings) can result
in greater contributions to the Social Security system
than would be paid by an individual under the payroll
tax of today.
4. It provides funding for Social Security and
Medicare at a level equal to or greater than at
present, with a stronger and broader tax base.
5. It secures the future of Social Security and
Medicare because all spenders fund it and not just the
workers.
6. It eliminates all personal income taxes, payroll
taxes, corporate income taxes, gift taxes, death
taxes, and capital gains taxes.
7. It eliminates the income tax and the IRS. Members
of Congress and the public overwhelmingly agree that
the current internal revenue code is cumbersome,
intrusive, coercive, and inefficient.
8. It is revenue neutral with the present income tax
system, funding the federal budget at current levels.
9. It will remove an average of 22% of the cost of
American made goods by removing the built-in payroll
tax (the other 7.65% of earnings that employers pay)
and other business taxes that are now passed to
consumers as an “embedded" tax of approximately 22%
due to the cascading of income and payroll taxes paid
by U.S. employers, at every step of production, to the
U.S. Treasury.
10. It doesn’t tax used items – clothes, cars, homes.
Only new items are taxed when sold by a business to an
individual.
11. It is progressive, a “prebate” of the tax amount
up to the poverty level is given to everyone. This
means that those spending below the poverty level have
a net gain because the “prebate” exceeds the amount
paid in taxes. (Under the present system they pay the
payroll tax even if they get a full refund of income
tax withheld.)
12. It eliminates 90% of the cost of compliance.
American families and American businesses waste an
estimated $250 – $600 billion per year doing the
paperwork necessary to comply with the tax code. That
is roughly $1,000 – $2,000 annually for every man,
woman and child in the U.S.
13. It creates an opportunity for our products to
leave this country costing an average of 25% less,
thus increasing our exports, lower our deficit balance
of trade, and increasing employment at home.
14. It encourages investment in companies located in
the U.S., thus providing a home for money already in
the US and attracting more. The U.S. will be the most
attractive tax-free haven in the world for doing
business. American companies will return from offshore
and overseas.
15. It encourages repatriation to the U.S. of money
held by U.S. individuals and companies now in foreign
countries, with no tax consequence.
16. All 290 million Americans and 51 million visiting
tourists fund Social Security and Medicare with their
purchases. Today only 110 million workers fund these
programs via deductions from their paychecks.
17. The broader tax base includes the ten percent of
our economy, an estimated $1 trillion, that today is
underground or under the table. Under the FairTax, the
illegal drug dealer will pay his tax just like the
rest of us when he buys his sunglasses, BMW, and other
items, as will those who do business for cash.
18. It allows families to save more for home
ownership, education, and retirement. An average
family making $50,000 will have $7,500 more spendable
income.
19. It makes educational tuition a tax-free
expenditure of tax-free income.
20. It makes American products more competitive
overseas by removing the embedded tax from them, thus
lowering their prices, which compensates for low
foreign wages.
21. It makes American products more competitive at
home by removing the embedded tax from them,
compensating for the low cost of imported products not
burdened by taxes imposed by exporting countries.
22. It removes the need for formal 401-K’s, IRAs, HSA,
etc. Anyone will be able to set up any kind of savings
or investment account without regard to taxes or the
government.
23. It frees churches and other non-profit
organizations from the expense of filing tax returns
and paying their half of Social Security and Medicare
payments for employees. There will no longer be any
501.c.3 or 501.c.4 non-profit tax status, because
there will be no more tax to be exempt from.
24. It restores to churches and non-profit
organizations the 1st Amendment right to engage in
free speech, without fear of losing their tax-free
status.
25. It gives individuals and businesses the right to
donate as much as they want to in a given year to
charitable causes.
26. It restores the 4th Amendment, protecting against
unreasonable searches and seizures, from which the IRS
presently is exempt.
27. It restores the 5th Amendment, which guarantees
the right to due process. Under current systems the
IRS has their own courts with their own set of rules
not included in the 5th.
28. It cleans up a major flaw in campaign financing,
eliminating campaign donations for "tax favors".
29. It eliminates wrangling in Congress over tax cuts,
the tax code, and who is or is not paying a fair share
of the tax bill.
30. It encourages work by letting workers keep 100% of
their earnings and giving a rebate, to boot, making
the notion that the more you work, the more money you
have, a reality, unlike the current system where
welfare is lost when you go to work, so your first
dollars earned after taxes just offset what you were
currently getting in welfare, making you no better
off.
31. It allows more of the lower income families to
become home owners by allowing a second job income
above their current income (all tax free) to be
applied to a mortgage. Money for down payments for
homes is also saved totally tax free so that it will
accumulate faster.
32. It allows families to retain farms and businesses
in the hands of those who built them through the
elimination of the death tax.
33. It allows families to help each other out
tax-free, by eliminating the gift tax.
34. It encourages individuals to self-insure, making
the health system more direct pay (no 3rd party pay),
thus bringing costs down.
35. Without FICA to pay, most states, counties,
municipalities, and school districts will see a large
increase in their state budget revenues, additionally
lowering the overall tax burden (State & Federal) for
most Americans.
36. It assures that no American will find, at the end
of the year, a need to get a loan to pay taxes as an
alternative to penalties, interest, or cheating.
37. It restores individual privacy. The government no
longer needs to know where you work, what you are
earning, and what you are doing with it.
38. It eliminates the need to have a "marriage"
clarification declaring who you live with, as that has
no bearing at all on a state or federal sales tax.
39. It eliminates the need for courts to decide which
divorced parent gets to take the tax deduction for
children.
40. It reduces production costs for farmers and other
subsidized businesses, leading to a reduction in
subsidies, thus reducing the federal budget.
41. It eliminates the administrative costs incurred by
states in collection of state sales taxes because
states will piggyback the state tax collection onto
the national tax collection, for which they are
compensated by the FairTax ¼% administrative cost
give-back. [Doesn’t this go to the retailers?]
42. It results in a windfall profit for many of those
holding taxable corporate high interest bonds at the
time of passage of FairTax, since they will not be
taxed under FairTax. (A higher interest rate is
usually paid to entice investors to buy the corporate
bonds rather than go with the lower interest, but tax
free, municipal bonds, now.)
43. It shifts the tax to consumption, which
consumption tables over time show is more stable than
income, therefore the tax revenue stream is likely to
be a more stable and predictable amount.
44. It results in Federal Reserve rates being based on
current consumption, which is rather stable, instead
of future earnings, which are less predictable,
resulting in surer inflation prevention.
45. It allows for better planning by businesses,
because they no longer have to consider tax
implications for everything they do.
46. It makes higher employment or better compensation
possible in the small business sector where today it
costs approximately three dollars in compliance costs
to pay one dollar in payroll and income taxes.
47. It moves many now providing tax preparation,
advice, accounting, planning, and records maintenance
into an expansive economy where they will be producing
goods and services. There they can add to the standard
of living of all Americans and likely earn more than
they do currently, instead of shuffling paper for the
government (and not contributing anything economically
to society).
48. It relieves citizens of the risk of facing the
shift in burden of proof that is so common with the
current system, i.e., the taxpayer is guilty unless
innocence can be proved, when even IRS staff sometimes
give conflicting interpretations.
49. It’s simple, unambiguous, and certain, the
opposite of the current tax code.
50. It’s good for the environment. It reportedly would
save about 300,000 trees a year that are needed to
produce the paper for the IRS compliance and tax
forms, enough to reach around the equator placed end
to end 28 times. Also, since it taxes only new items,
it would encourage buying tax-free pre-owned cars,
clothes, furniture, houses, etc. Reuse is good for the
environment, too. _________________ www.fairtax.org |
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BillB Seaman Recruit
Joined: 21 Aug 2004 Posts: 34 Location: Daytona Beach, FL
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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 7:45 pm Post subject: The "Fair Tax" |
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"But, on the effective date of the new law, the entire inventory of all the goods on the shelves and lots across the country will still bear the previously embedded taxes. Is there not the very real possibility that a large deflation of buying volume will occur as people put off buying stuff?"
My understanding that goods in inventory on the effective day of the
tax will be exempt from the sales tax as they already have the existing
embedded income tax and compliance costs in them. True there will be
some unevenness in the beginning but with todays supply chain inventory
stocking so widely used it wouldn't be long before new goods, things not
in day one inventory, would be on the shelves or on the car lot. _________________ BillB (Daytona FL)
Navy (June '44 - July '46) RM 3/c
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BillB Seaman Recruit
Joined: 21 Aug 2004 Posts: 34 Location: Daytona Beach, FL
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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 8:23 pm Post subject: "The Fair Tax Book" |
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"The Fair Tax Book" by Neal Boortz and GA Congressman John Linder
(Sposor of HR 25) is coming out next week (Aug. 2 or 5. I think).
I've pre-ordered mine !
Pre-publication orders for this book already have it well up on the best
seller lists, I understand. It is going like hotcakes at Amazon and
Barnes & Noble according to reports I hear. I hope this volume does
achieve a big best seller success and the resulting publicity, hopefully,
will be akin to the benefit the Swift Boat Vets got last year from the
best seller success of John O'Neal's "Unfit for Command"..
A footnote to the previous list of "Why I like the "Fair Tax".
A lot of high paid lobbyists in Washington will have to find a
new line of work when they can no longer lobby (and draft the
tax laws) for their "Special Interest" payers who are looking for
special tax benefits, loopholes, exemptions, etc., etc., in the current
MONSTEROUS tax code _________________ BillB (Daytona FL)
Navy (June '44 - July '46) RM 3/c
Army (Aug. '51 - July '65) Capt.
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thomaw01 Seaman Recruit
Joined: 29 Jul 2005 Posts: 1
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 3:52 pm Post subject: FairTax Reply |
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Short-term view of the economy:
I disagree in the analysis of the fairtax material. I would point out the macro effect rather than the micro effect longer term. What happens when a company in another country can start a company in the US (at a much lower tax rate than their own) because businesses are no longer taxed?
Think about what US companies do today in reverse! Capital comes to the US or back to the US depending on where it started from in the first place. What happens when there is more capital to build infrastructure to start that business? Jobs, Jobs, Jobs!
What happens when there are more jobs because more businesses are coming here and growing due to a friendly tax climate? Competition for workers drives wages up and people have more spendable income. If there is more spendable income and prices are adjusted over time from competition and the removal of the embedded tax structure of today, people will purchase new goods.
I have heard the argument a thousand times about people only saving and purchasing used goods. This isn't intellectually honest. What happens when people get their tax refund each year (if they get one)? They purchase that new couch or take a vacation or pay off the credit cards that they ran up from purchasing new goods. If people get their whole paycheck, it's like getting a tax refund each paycheck. Human nature is not such that people have that much control or forethought that they will save everything and only by used. Yes, the savings rates would likely go up but if you look at the growing rates of debt by American consumers every year, you can't honestly say that people won't spend. That is hogwash.
We won't get both an income and sales tax because a companion bill to the Fairtax will repeal the 16th Amendment (with some help from our Governors) so it will not be legal to have one. We already have both today already but the sales tax portion is embedded in the supply chain and not visible to the consumer.
People are more afraid of the devil they don't know than the devil they do. Change comes hard.
Flat Tax: We have one, we had one! The rate started at 1%, where is it now? We had one rate, how many rates do we have now? Even with a 17 or 10% flat tax, it is really higher than that because of the embedded taxes in all products and services just as it is today. At least with the sales tax, it is fixed, visible and easy to understand vs. the mess we have now or would quickly have again with the flat tax.
Our products are not nearly competive abroad because of our tax code and reducing the imbedded costs out of the supply chain will free up higher margins for the businesses and farmers here after paying import duties in the countries of destination. If we are to complete over the long haul in a global market, we are doing so with one hand tied behind our back and quite frankly getting our clock cleaned. No other country in the world (including Europe with a Value Added Tax) has such a suppressive and regressive tax system. Folks, if we don't change the way we do business we are destined to fail miserably and countries like China will buy up all of our debt. Next stop will be surely something different than we know today and I would propose not in our favor!!!! _________________ Coastal Raider |
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Michael G. Seaman Recruit
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To all Veterans regarding the FairTax (H. R. 25/S. 25).
The FairTax is the only viable tax reform bill that will give the American people the Freedom to decide how they wish to pay their taxes. However, you will have to investigate a little to understand just what the FairTax is about. Go to www.fairtax.org for the complete story. On August 2, 2005 Neal Boortz, talk show host from Georgia and co-author with Congressman John Linder (GA.) of the FairTax book, will be interviewed on the Hannity and Colmbs (sp) show (FOX news) to explain more about the FairTax. Once you have signed on to the website if you scroll down to "learn more" then on the next window check out "research papers", which covers all the areas of the American economy the FairTax will correct, gives the "meat" & "heart" of the FairTax grassroots movement. Of course there are a number of areas you can check out but the research papers gives the best overall picture. Questions can be answered by contacting the National headquarters in Houston at
1-800-FAIRTAX
Thanks for the opportunity to help Americans realize the True "American Dream"
Sincerely,
Michael Foote
Geneva, IL. |
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BillB Seaman Recruit
Joined: 21 Aug 2004 Posts: 34 Location: Daytona Beach, FL
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Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 6:51 pm Post subject: "The Fair Tax Book" author on TV |
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Neal Boortz, author of "The Fair Tax Book" to be on radio
and TV Monday (1 Aug.) and Tue. (2 Aug.)
August 2: Guest on Sean Hannity's radio show, approx. 5pm
August 2: Guest on Hannity & Colmes, 9pm, Fox News Channel
August 3: Guest on CNN/ American Morning
August 3: Guest on Your World with Neil Cavuto, approx. 4pm, Fox News
Channel
All times are Eastern _________________ BillB (Daytona FL)
Navy (June '44 - July '46) RM 3/c
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