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shawa
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 Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 2:40 am Post subject: 911 Commission Cover-up Saddam/Qaida Connection?? |
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Captain Ed has an amazing column today, making sense out of the 'Able Danger' puzzle.
A BLOCKBUSTER MUST READ!!
(And echoes my feeling posted yesterday--DON'T LET THOSE STAFFERS DESTROY EVIDENCE AT THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES!!)
| Quote: | Congress needs to take this up immediately.
Addendum: And Congress needs to get the Commission staffers the hell out of the National Archives until after Congress investigates this themselves. |
| Quote: | The consistent denial of Atta meeting in Prague with Iraqi intelligence always stuck in the craw of those who followed the case closely. Czech intelligence insists to this day that Atta met with the IIS in Prague on those dates. However, the Commission finally decided not to endorse it (Chapter 7 of their report). Why? Because it would have implicated Saddam Hussein in the 9/11 attacks -- and provided another, more immediate reason to invade Iraq, just when half of the committee wanted to avoid any such conclusions.
With that in mind, the correlation between the deliberate dumping of the Able Danger data from the report makes more sense. If Able Danger identified Atta correctly, it could have corroborated the timeline that fits with Czech intelligence on Atta's visit. That meant that the Iraqis at least had contact with the local 9/11 mastermind, if not actively supported it.
Now, speculating a bit, who was it that cleaned out the National Archive along the same time frame as the first briefing of the Commission about Able Danger? Which campaign did he advise at the time of his mission to inspect the records? And on whose behalf did he ostensibly perform that mission?
This may cause a political meltdown the likes of which have never been seen before. If intelligence officers appear before Congress and name names, the domino effect could change Washington DC forever. Congress needs to act fast to ensure that no further damage occurs to the records.
UPDATE IV: John Podhoretz reaches the same conclusions at The Corner. |
Read the whole column at:
http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/005188.php
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dusty
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I'm sittin on the edge of my chair on all this. About time the truth starts coming out.
I think the American people are fixing to get some serious enlightment on the connetions between Saddam and 9/11.
Why it's such a stretch of the imagination to think that he was heavily involved is a mystery to me what with the Al Quada training camp complete with an airliner to teach hijackers their techniques for taking one over was operating in N. Iraq.
I guess some folks would rather ignore obvious connections to suit their own agendas rather than connect dots that common sense dictates are connected.
Shameful.
We are dealing with people who are the masters of smoke and mirrors.
Well, the wind of truth is blowing the smoke away and the mirrors are reflecting that truth for all to see.
Now if the good guys will just do their jobs and act on the information.
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srmorton
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I found this link to a great article by Jean Pearce on lucianne.com.
It shows the definite connection between Goerlick's "wall" and an effort
to cover Clinton's and the DNC's tracks in the Chinagate scandal. I
had almost forgotten about that until this article refreshed my memory.
The idea the failure of the Clinton administration to deal with terrorism
may have had its roots in an attempt to hide the truth about this until
after the 1996 election is even more disturbing than the idea that
Clinton was too preoccupied with Monicagate to pay much attention.
Instead of merely being guilty of incompetence, he would IMO be guilty
of treason!! Read the article for yourself at:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=13516
Note the date on the article is May 25, 2004, a little less than two months
prior to the release of the 9/11 Commission report on July 22, 2004.
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FreeFall
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The Toronto Star found documents about Iraq & Al Qaeda years ago, I found this on FreeRepublic.
STAR FINDS BIN LADEN-IRAQ LINKS
TheStar.com ^ | APR 28, 2003 | MITCH POTTER
Posted on 03/04/2004 11:28:58 AM PST by 11th_VA
Star finds bin Laden-Iraq links
Three pages of documents point to the arrival of a messenger
MITCH POTTER
TORONTO STAR
Osama bin Laden's Al Qaeda organization and Saddam Hussein's regime shared direct contact as early as 1998, according to top-secret Iraqi intelligence documents obtained by the Star.
The documents, discovered yesterday in the bombed-out headquarters of the Mukhabarat, Iraq's most feared intelligence service, amount to the first hard evidence of a link long suspected by the United States but dismissed as fiction by many Western leaders.
The handwritten file, three pages in all, relates to the arrival of a secret envoy sent by bin Laden to Iraq in March, 1998, apparently to establish a clandestine relationship with the Iraqi regime.
The purpose of the trip was "to gain the knowledge of the message from bin Laden and to convey to his envoy an oral message from us to bin Laden," according to the final page of the Iraqi document, a handwritten letter dated Feb. 19, 1998.
The letter describes bin Laden as an "opponent" of the regime in Saudi Arabia and said the message to convey to him through the envoy would relate to "the future of our relationship with him (bin Laden) and to achieve a direct meeting with him."
The signature beneath the letter is a codename, "MDA," believed to be that of a director of one of the intelligence sections within the Mukhabarat. A second signature on the page, also in code, recommends bringing the unnamed agent to Iraq because "we may find in this envoy a way to maintain contact with bin Laden."
The remaining pages confirm bin Laden's agent arrived in Baghdad on March 5 and stayed a full 16 days as a guest of the Iraqi government at the Mansur Melia Hotel, one of the capital's premier accommodations.
The contact came less than five months before bin Laden became America's most-wanted fugitive in the wake of deadly bomb attacks on two U.S. embassies in East Africa.
The White House has linked the invasion of Iraq to the war on terror maintaining that ousted Iraqi president Saddam harboured terrorists, including Al Qaeda operatives.
Bin Laden's name appears three times in the handwritten Iraqi file, but each of the references was concealed clumsily with corrective fluid and then blackened with ink, presumably by agents of the Mukhabarat.
But after the masking material was carefully removed yesterday, bin Laden's name was clearly legible in each reference. The translation of the document was confirmed independently by five Arabic interpreters.
The discovery coincides with the Friday capture of Farouk Hijazi, an Iraqi spymaster the United States claims was the link man between Iraq and Al Qaeda. Hijazi, according to U.S. allegations, met bin Laden before the Sept. 11 attacks during Hijazi's term as Iraq's ambassador to Turkey.
The Osama papers obtained by the Star were discovered yesterday within a file folder lying in rubble in a partially destroyed building inside the sprawling Mukhabarat compound west of the Tigris River in Baghdad. Around the tree-lined facility hundreds of thousands of papers litter the ground.
The final page, a handwritten letter dated Feb. 19 and marked "Top Secret and Urgent," refers to the planned trip from Sudan by an unnamed agent close to bin Laden.
The letter describes the envoy as "a trusted confidant (of bin Laden) and known by them (Al Qaeda)."
It continues: "According to the above we suggest permission to call the Khartoum station (the Iraqi intelligence station in Sudan) to facilitate the travel arrangements for the abovementioned person to Iraq. And that our body carry all the travel and hotel expenses inside Iraq to gain the knowledge of the message from bin Laden and to convey to his envoy an oral message from us to bin Laden."
According to notes at the bottom of the page the letter was then passed on through another director within the Mukhabarat to the deputy director general of the intelligence services.
The other two pages of the file, dated Feb. 23 and March 24, relate to correspondence between different agencies within the Mukhabarat over preparation and approval for Iraq to cover the costs of the bin Laden envoy's stay at the Mansur hotel.
Each is countersigned by a number of codenamed Iraqi officials. One is addressed to "M4/7" and signed by "MD1/3." The three pages were found bound with a staple.
Margin notes on the letter show a signature of the Mukhabarat's deputy director general, also in code.
It mentions that the visit of the envoy was extended by a week.
In a margin note, it mentions the name Mohammed F. Mohammed Ahmed, but there is no indication whether this is the envoy. The documents do not indicate whether an actual meeting took place, or whether any follow-up contact was planned.
Bin Laden's five years in Sudan ended in 1996, when he was ousted and returned to Afghanistan, home of the mujahideen fighters from which he launched Al Qaeda.
But it is believed remnants of his Sudanese operations remained behind.
Hijazi, the captured spymaster, was known to be a senior operative within the Mukhabarat before joining Iraq's ambassadorial ranks.
He was first proposed as Iraq's ambassador to Canada, but the placement was refused. In 1998, he became ambassador to Turkey.
According to U.S. officials, Hijazi travelled to Kandahar, Afghanistan, in December, 1998, for an alleged meeting with bin Laden near his expanding network of terrorist training camps.
Details of that meeting are not known, but U.S. officials cite the allegation as the clearest link to date between Iraq and Al Qaeda. |
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coldwarvet
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| Quote: | | Well, the wind of truth is blowing the smoke away and the mirrors are reflecting that truth for all to see. |
Wow Dusty! You are quite the word smith.
This is all great stuff.
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dusty
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And then there is this site which has been posted here before but might need a reposting that details more connections and even that a judge awarded monetary compensation to some of the 9/11 victims families FROM Saddam's regime saying that enough connection was shown for him to be convinced of Saddam's involvement.
I've never seen the MSM pick up on any of this.
Yet.
http://www.husseinandterror.com/
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So would any or all of these ties between Iraq and terrorism or Iraq and al-Qaeda, in particular, withstand judicial scrutiny? That’s the question the families of two of those murdered at the World Trade Center wondered. The survivors of George Eric Smith, a 38-year-old senior business analyst with SunGard Asset Management Systems and…
9/11 victim George Eric Smith
…the family of Timothy Soulas, age 35, a foreign currency specialist with Cantor Fitzgerald, sued Baathist Iraq and the Taliban for damages connected to the murders of their loved ones.
9/11 victim Timothy Soulas
The federal trail judge was Harold Baer, Jr. a Clinton appointee. He took testimony from Clinton-designated CIA director James Woolsey and American Enterprise Institute scholar Laurie Mylroie, an adviser to the 1992 Clinton campaign. Baer learned about the Salman Pak camp, and considered other evidence of Saddam Hussein’s ties to al-Qaeda. To be fair, Baer did not hear Hussein’s side, as the Iraqi dictator did not respond to the suit. Nevertheless, Baer issued his decision.
As the May 8, 2003 New York Post and other news outlets reported, Baer ruled that Saddam Hussein’s government was complicit in the September 11 attacks and that the Baathist government owed the plaintiffs a judgment of $104 million. |
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shawa
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srmorton wrote
| Quote: | It was this web of investigations that led Gorelick and Bill Clinton to erect the wall between intelligence agencies that resulted in the toppling of the Twin Towers. The connections go on and on, but they all lead back to Gorelick, the one person who could best explain how the Clinton administration neutered the American intelligence agencies that could have stopped the September 11 plot. Yet another high crime will have been committed if the September 11 Commission doesn’t demand testimony from her.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=13516 |
Thanks Susan, for that link.
IMO, Jaime Gorelick was placed on the 911 Commission for the sole purpose of keeping so many Clinton Administration scandals and failures from being exposed.
Another question I have is how did Dietrich Snellcome to be the LEAD INVESTIGATOR for the Commission. He was the one who interviewed the 'Able Danger' officer who's testimony was dismissed.
It seems to me that he was trying to keep a lot of links from the commission.
Remember Operation BOJINKA and Flight 800 that we discussed on this forum a few months ago? Ramzi Yousef, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed,
and the FBI informer getting info from Yousef in jail that seemed to link to bringing down Flight 800?
Dietrich Snell was the prosecutor who turned down an offer to cooperate that could have exposed the planned 911 attack!! So he too, had every reason to keep information from the Commission!!
| Quote: | Early 1998: Prosecutors Turn Down Deal That Could Reveal Bojinka Third Plot Complete 911 Timeline
Dietrich Snell.
Abdul Hakim Murad, a conspirator in the 1995 Bojinka plot with Ramzi Yousef, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, and others, was convicted in 1996 of his role in the Bojinka plot (see January 6, 1995). He is about to be sentenced for that crime. He offers to cooperate with federal prosecutors in return for a reduction in his sentence, but prosecutors turn down his offer. Dietrich Snell, the prosecutor who convicted Murad, says after 9/11 that he doesn't remember any such offer. But court papers and others familiar with the case later confirmed that Murad does offer to cooperate at this time. Snell claimed he only remembers hearing that Murad had described an intention to hijack a plane and fly it into CIA headquarters. However, in 1995 Murad had confessed to Philippine investigators that this would have been only one part of a larger plot to crash a number of airplanes into prominent US buildings, including the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, a plot that Khalid Shaikh Mohammed later adjusts and turns into the 9/11 plot (see January 20, 1995) (see February 1995). While Philippine investigators claim this information was passed on to US intelligence, it's not clear just which US officials may have learned this information and what they did with it, if anything. [New York Daily News, 9/25/01] Murad is sentenced in May 1998 and given life in prison plus 60 years. [Albany Times-Union, 9/22/02] After 9/11, Snell goes on to become Senior Counsel and a team leader for the 9/11 Commission. Author Peter Lance later calls Snell [b]“one of the fixers, hired early on to sanitize the Commission's final report.” Lance says Snell ignored evidence presented to the Commission that shows direct ties between the Bojinka plot and 9/11, and in so doing covers up Snell's own role in the failure to make more use of evidence learned from Murad and other Bojinka plotters.
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Excerpt from interview by Front Page Magazine:
| Quote: | On the night of 9/11 -- it was 13 hours ahead in the Philippines. As Col. Mendoza sat working on a report he got an text message on his Nokia cell phone. It said, "urgent turn on CNN." When he did, only to see the South Tower fall, the first words out of his mouth when he called backed his friend were "They have done it. They have DONE it..." That's how certain he was that Yousef's plot exposed to him by Murad in 1995 -- which he had warned the Feds about in the spring of 1995 -- had been executed.
FP: How does all of this tie in to the 9/11 Commission?
FP: Do you remember Dietrich Dieter Snell, the AUSA who was the co-prosecutor on the Bojinka case. Well, an FBI #302 memo from 3/7/96 on my website shows that he was a direct party to all of the Scarpa-Yousef intelligence on TWA #800. Yet in early April, 2004 when forensic investigators Angela Clemente and Dr. Stephen Dresch, presented these #302's to the 9/11 Commission, not a word of any of this showed up in their final report published in late July, 2004. The report nominated for The National Book Award.
Understand the significance of this. Here is evidence from the FBI's own files of al Qaeda involvement in the second biggest act of terror in U.S. history and the 9/11 Commission -- lead by investigators like Dieter Snell, flushes it all. |
http://www.frontpagemag.com/articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=16795
My gawd, so much to cover up, and between Jamie Gorelick (and her staff) on the Commission and Dietrich Snell as Lead Investigator they managed to keep it all out of the Commission Report!!
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shawa
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| Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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Another Saddam/911 connection not in the Commission Report:
| Quote: | August 12, 2005
Another Detail The 9/11 Commission Seems To Have Missed
~SNIP~
The most serious report contained information that Iraq and Osama bin Ladin were working together. German authorities were surprised by the arrest of the two Iraqi agents and the discovery of Iraqi intelligence activities in several German cities. German authorities, acting on CIA recommendations, had been focused on monitoring the activities of Islamic groups linked to bin Ladin. They discovered the two Iraqi agents by chance and uncovered what they considered to be serious indications of cooperation between Iraq and bin Ladin. The matter was considered so important that a special team of CIA and FBI agents was sent to Germany to interrogate the two Iraqi spies.
Not one word of this gets addressed in the final Commission report, as far as I can tell. The report contains thirty-one references to arrests, most of them for Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and Zacarias Moussaoui, but none of them mention any German arrests of Iraqi spies in Germany for March 2001. It isn't as if the 9/11 Commission considered Al-Watan al-Arabi an unreliable source, either; they used it as a reference for an editorial by Saudi Prince Bandar.
The CIA apparently knew something about this; why didn't it come out? during the hearings? This looks like a very strange coincidence, that the Germans found such an extensive Iraqi espionage ring within their borders at the same time that al-Qaeda planned its largest and most complicated attack on Western interests ever. That attack required extraordinary coordination and planning, with a large amount of resourcing. The attacks before and since have all been suicide or hit-and-run affairs, on a much smaller scale and with much more modest ambitions.
This information was published contemporaneously in March 2001 and was in the public domain. If anyone brought it to the Commission's attention, no evidence of it exists in the report. Presumably, such public information would have been addressed in the report even if it turned out to be mistaken had anyone bothered to look at it -- or if the Commission could explain it away in favor of their "no operational connection" analysis between Iraq and 9/11.
In March 2001, the CIA suspected that the Iraqis had allied themselves with Islamist extremists to carry out attacks on American interests, and as a result the Germans discovered exactly that -- right where the planning for 9/11 took place.
Did this information get the Able Danger treatment as well? (h/t: CQ reader Tom M.)
Addendum: It's worth noting that syndicated columnist Amir Taheri considered Al-Watan Al-Arabi to be a pro-Saddam weekly.
Posted by Captain Ed at August 12, 2005 12:26 PM |
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