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jbodell
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2004 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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When Van Odell says that Kerry lied to get his bronze star, which he knows because he was there and he saw it, exactly what lies did Kerry tell?


Kerry claims to have been under heavy gunfire at the time when he pulled the gentlemen out of the water. Van was the gunners mate in one of the other boats, he states there was not enemy fire.

His story is much better and more detailed. I will look for a transcript of one of the many radio broadcast he has done over the past two weeks.

here is a short story on a houston tv station.
http://www.khou.com/topstories/stories/khou040806_cs_antikerryad.4f9c90be.html
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VoiceOfReason
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 5:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I note with great pleasure that the Swift Boat Veterans have released the letter they sent to television stations, containing much of the documentation for their claims. Truly, a damning report.

Now get this to the general public, and Kerry is doomed. And for crying out loud put a prominent link to it from the front page.
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fortdixlover
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 1:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Evidence, please Reply with quote

VoiceOfReason wrote:


Your advertisement raises some very serious accusations. It is unconscionable that your website, which is mentioned prominently in the ad, doesn't lay out the evidence for every one of these accusations.


Rather, what is unconscionable is the intellectual laziness that many suffer, that has been inflicted upon them by the leftist and democrat-dominated "school system."

As a university instructor, I can relate that many of today's younger generations are entirely crippled in their ability to look for information in any capacity.

The information is all over this site and all over the Internet and the effort to find it is far, far less than the effort required when I was a student to, say, find information about World War II.

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CAVLRRP
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Voice of Reason,

What planet have you been living on?

You have not seen the tapes of Kerry testifying before the US Congress about his "facts" that the soldiers in Nam were engaged in the daily murder of innocent civilians? The daily rape and torture of women and children? His claim that the soldiers were MURDERING 200,000 south vietmaniese a year?

Did you not know that Kerry and Fonda were dishonoring every good soldier and sailor and airman that fought for their country? Dishonoring the sixty thousand dead men on the wall? Causing terrible pain to the survivors by labeling their children, fathers, husbands, mothers and daughters as MURDERERS and RAPISTS?

Do you know what it is like to see bravery, heroism and sacrifice of blood on the battlefield? The lives of young heros being snuffed out for this kind of recieption when they came home in bags or without their arms and legs?

Do you know that if the incidents Kerry says he saw were true he is guilty of a felony for not stopping his men from doing that ****?

Do you know that if Kerry did the things he said he is a murderer, rapist and sadist and should be in prison or executed himself?

Do you know that millions of surviving veterans were outcasts in their homeland after returning because of Kerry and his ilk?

Do you know how many of these brave men were shamed and falsely accused while they still grieved for their fallen comrades?

Do you know how many fell into complete despair and committed suicide after this country rejected them as murderers and baby killers on the testamony of John Kerry?

So, since all we did was kill innocent unarmed civillians, who killed the sixty thousand on the wall?

You sir are a baiting snake because you found this site and you can find thousands of others that DOCUMENT this snake's lies.

As a former combat Soldier in Nam I can guarantee this. If Kerry saw all the action he claims he would have lost men, he did not. Some of his men would have been wounded severly and crippled, they were not.

Any combat vet will tell you FROM EXPIERIENCE that it is impossible to see heavy combat (Kerry claims no less that 10 firefights in 18 days on HIS web page) and not loose even one man. I personally know over 40 men who reside on the wall. The NVA and VC were GOOD at fighting. Kerry had to make up this crap because the war was not a John Wayne Movie or a Sargent Saunders episode. Our guys died just as fast as theirs.

You need grow up and do your own thinking.

Mike McCoy
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TexasPatriot
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 6:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote


Swifts is under no moral or legal obligation to pay for pro-Kerry or anti-Swifts propagandists to post their drivel here. This is private property.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 6:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get the troll spray moderators, this guy is dillusional. Semper Fi.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2004 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Call me crazy, but there seems to need to be a bit of an edit here. As I snack on my serving of humble pie (quite tasty with hot sauce I might add) I'll just be removing my original post. Very Happy Woman's perogative and all that.
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