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BuffaloJack
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 Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 5:35 pm Post subject: Bin Laden Warns of Attacks, Offers Truce - BULL |
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http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/01/19/D8F7SAMGB.html
| Quote: | Bin Laden Warns of Attacks, Offers Truce
Al-Jazeera on Thursday aired an audiotape purportedly from Osama bin Laden, who says al-Qaida is making preparations for attacks in the United States but offering a truce "with fair conditions."
The tape's release came days after a U.S. airstrike in Pakistan that was targeting bin Laden's deputy, Ayman al-Zawahri, and reportedly killed four leading al-Qaida figures, including possibly al-Zawahri's son-in-law. There was no mention of the attack on the segments that were broadcast. |
This looks more like an act of desperationthan anything else.
If Al Qaeda had any position of strength they would just act.
This sounds more like a kid on the playground saying, "stop hitting me or you'll be sorry."
I hope our leaders see this for what it is and intensify their actions against these terrorist creeps.
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FreeFall
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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| He makes threats all the time, so there is nothing new. He made that tape for his followers, he knows he has no sway over people in this country. The last election shows that. |
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Uisguex Jack
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 1:46 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | This sounds more like a kid on the playground saying, "stop hitting me or you'll be sorry." |
Reminds me of the kids my age (7-9) in Nogalas who would swarm and offer a 'quarter to watch your car mister'
Mr Laden says he is of a nation who is forbidden by god to ever lie or cheat, thus a truce would be a 'good thing'.
As I recall the nice man Moussaoui's initial denial and than affermation of his support and work with nice Ossama (son of ) Laden. Was he lieing when he was denying, or affirming?
Either way he was lieing....... these punks lie all the damn time. |
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GenrXr
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 3:09 am Post subject: Re: Bin Laden Warns of Attacks, Offers Truce - BULL |
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| BuffaloJack wrote: | http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/01/19/D8F7SAMGB.html
| Quote: | Bin Laden Warns of Attacks, Offers Truce
Al-Jazeera on Thursday aired an audiotape purportedly from Osama bin Laden, who says al-Qaida is making preparations for attacks in the United States but offering a truce "with fair conditions."
The tape's release came days after a U.S. airstrike in Pakistan that was targeting bin Laden's deputy, Ayman al-Zawahri, and reportedly killed four leading al-Qaida figures, including possibly al-Zawahri's son-in-law. There was no mention of the attack on the segments that were broadcast. |
This looks more like an act of desperationthan anything else.
If Al Qaeda had any position of strength they would just act.
This sounds more like a kid on the playground saying, "stop hitting me or you'll be sorry."
I hope our leaders see this for what it is and intensify their actions against these terrorist creeps. |
Well stated Buffalo!
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Schadow
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 3:25 am Post subject: |
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In the span of a couple of hours this afternoon, I heard two diametrically opposed 'expert' views of the meaning of this message. (Can't remember their names.)
One view was that Al Q is so decimated, both in the Pakistani mountains and Iraq, that OBL really is reaching out for negotiations so that he won't be forced to attack the US homeland again.
The other view is that the message is classic muslim-speak and that OBL, rattler-like, always warns vaguely before he actually strikes. The author of that opinion cites the similarity of behaviour of muslims toward the Christians during the Crusades.
For what it's worth, I tend toward the latter analysis. 
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GenrXr
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 3:33 am Post subject: |
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| Schadow wrote: | In the span of a couple of hours this afternoon, I heard two diametrically opposed 'expert' views of the meaning of this message. (Can't remember their names.)
One view was that Al Q is so decimated, both in the Pakistani mountains and Iraq, that OBL really is reaching out for negotiations so that he won't be forced to attack the US homeland again.
The other view is that the message is classic muslim-speak and that OBL, rattler-like, always warns vaguely before he actually strikes. The author of that opinion cites the similarity of behaviour of muslims toward the Christians during the Crusades.
For what it's worth, I tend toward the latter analysis.
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He is a cornered rat and what does he have to lose.
Schadow you are right.
Lets face it as long as we have the US military taking it to them. They have a hard time finding rest. They eventually wear down and realize that their quest is taking the sword to the windmills at best dead otherwise.
They have only one shot. One last ride on the wooden horse and stab with the wooden sword at the windmill.
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Schadow
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 4:44 am Post subject: |
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| GenrXr wrote: | | ....He is a cornered rat and what does he have to lose. |
That's the crux of the problem we face. In Islam, everything is the will of God. You try something. If you succeed, it was the will of God. If you fail, it was the will of God. So keep trying but never be discouraged because whatever happens - even if you die - it is the will of God.
How do you fight an enemy with that mindset except to exterminate them?
They have no country, no capitol, no ambassadors. If they attack the US homeland again, against what do we retaliate? We will know nothing more than we know now.
About the only thing I can see that might be productive is to jawbone seriously with Pakistan and convince them to give us real aid in cleaning out the border semi-autonomous regions where OBL and the hierarchy are mostly holed up. If the Pakistanis became convinced that they were already on OBL's kill list for what they have done thus far (which they no doubt are) maybe they would see the light.
If Al Q manages to relocate to Iran or Syria, fine. We're already on record as to what we'll do to those entities that harbor Al Q. It will require even more backbone than we've shown in the past.
Let's hope that the legendary "American People" stand by the leadership for as long as it takes.
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GenrXr
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 5:35 am Post subject: |
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| Schadow wrote: |
Let's hope that the legendary "American People" stand by the leadership for as long as it takes.
Schadow |
Seconded.
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GodBlessVets
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 6:06 am Post subject: |
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We must have gotten too close to him for comfort last week, if the timing between the two is no coincidence.
And the fact that it wasnt Zawahiri makes me think we either got him in the Predator last week or he was wounded and died later.
Of course thats only speculation, but I think we're closer to catching him than what we think we are. |
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I B Squidly
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 7:29 am Post subject: |
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Got a chuckle out of the "We don't lie...stab in the back" crap. Give the CNN talking head the Neville Chamberlain award for saying "They're someone we can deal with.
It's a lie on its face. The Koran doesn't admonish any of these things. It informs morality on the life and pronouncements of the Prophet Mohammed. If Mohammed (praised of Allah) did it, it is moral. Insofar as Mohammed was a murderous, lying thief and pedophile morality and honor have no understandable value. True, Allah (and sometimes the Devil) spoke only to Mohammed with dispensations not allowed the common folk but it is all part and parcel of a pernicious fabrication.
GenXr, see Gibbon's Volume II for the life of the Prophet.
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BuffaloJack
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 12:17 pm Post subject: |
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OBL is taking a lesson from the Koran. It advises that if you become weak and in need of reorganizing your forces, then it's advisable to seek a truce with the enemy so that you have a chance to build your strength to fight another day.
It's for this reason that we can't let him rest.
Continue pounding Al Qaeda, boys !!!
Don't let them catch their breath.
| Quote: | | The White House firmly rejected bin Laden's suggestion of a negotiated truce. "We don't negotiate with terrorists," Vice President Dick Cheney said in a television interview. "I think you have to destroy them." |
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Uisguex Jack
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| Quote: | | If Mohammed (praised of Allah) did it, it is moral. Insofar as Mohammed was a murderous, lying thief and pedophile morality and honor have no understandable value. |
nicely said
If you're bored check out these two links. The first one shows that the website I'm linking to is clearly Al Jazeera.
The second link is 'al jazeera' giving advice about the Koran and Jews.
I put these here because last night watching the news about this I was exposed twice to the head of Al Jazeera wearing a bright red tie and bright red scarf (on one of the warmest days of the season)..... lieing, lieing, lieing.
http://www.islamonline.com/about.asp
http://www.islamonline.com/cgi-bin/news_service/profile_story.asp?service_id=449 |
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AMOS
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 4:36 pm Post subject: Effective Truce. |
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| I think it should be made known to OBLonga that for a truce to be valid and effective, both sides have to say "Scout's Honor" at the end. If we can't trust him after that when can we trust him? |
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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| When dealing with or confronting the infidel, a Muslim can use any measure that will give him an advantage. In fact, to the extent that a nonbeliever can be decieved or exploited, it validates the enemies weakness and inferiority in relation to the strength and superiority of Islam. |
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Schadow wrote: | In the span of a couple of hours this afternoon, I heard two diametrically opposed 'expert' views of the meaning of this message. (Can't remember their names.)
One view was that Al Q is so decimated, both in the Pakistani mountains and Iraq, that OBL really is reaching out for negotiations so that he won't be forced to attack the US homeland again.
The other view is that the message is classic muslim-speak and that OBL, rattler-like, always warns vaguely before he actually strikes. The author of that opinion cites the similarity of behaviour of muslims toward the Christians during the Crusades.
For what it's worth, I tend toward the latter analysis.
Schadow |
A third view that didn't take long to surface was that the tape is a phony put out by the Bush Administration to distract the public from Abramhoff and the domestic spying bruhaha.
Wag the dog, ya know. 
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