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jwb7605
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 Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 4:06 am Post subject: A question intended to start a spirited discussion |
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Here's the deal:
We're all known as a bunch of right wing extremist gun-toting (and, therefore, probably) Republicans.
In my case, all but the last part are true.
Sooo.... given lousy choices, who would you vote for in '08 if you had to make a poor decision:
John McCain vs Joe Liebermann
John McCain vs Ben Nelson (Nebr)
Lincoln Chaffee vs Hillary Clinton
additional lousy choices are welcome, but I'd like to know the rationale in any replies. |
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GenrXr
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| Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 5:35 am Post subject: Re: A question intended to start a spirited discussion |
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| jwb7605 wrote: | Here's the deal:
We're all known as a bunch of right wing extremist gun-toting (and, therefore, probably) Republicans.
In my case, all but the last part are true.
Sooo.... given lousy choices, who would you vote for in '08 if you had to make a poor decision:
John McCain vs Joe Liebermann
John McCain vs Ben Nelson (Nebr)
Lincoln Chaffee vs Hillary Clinton
additional lousy choices are welcome, but I'd like to know the rationale in any replies. |
First off, Katrina showed us every lawful American should be armed and preferably with a AK-47 or clone. G Gordan Liddy recently had a guest on his show who explained how his AR-15 didn't scare anyone, yet the AK made people run at the sight of it. This is not an uncommon story as heard from talking to many people while working in East New Orleans. (99 percent destroyed) A Glok or Uzi? Criminals have those laying around their house like normal people have books or coffee mugs. Familiarity brings comfort and last I checked no criminals holster AK's on the street corner, yet are very aware of what they look like and know they are the preferred weapon of killers world wide.
Secondly, this site is full of Democrats. I would guess of the SVPT supporters close to or over 50 percent have voted Democrat in their lifetimes. The reason they voted for Bush or against Kerry or abstained altogther has been well documented on the forum boards. Most of the people who supported the SVPT's are pretty conservative as opposed to radical right wing extremist (last I heard the David Duke right wing radicals were in full solidarity with the kooky left wing), yet to be a radical right wing extremist today all one needs to do is support marriage between a man and a woman, support our military in a time of war and want a return to our constitution. Many Truman Democrats for sure, yet it was Truman who booted the communists from the Democratic party and thus the far left's hatred of the man and the SVPT Truman Democrats. The last anti-communist Democrat president we had was John F Kennedy and he got a bullet in the head for it.
Finally, of the candidates and who would be chosen from that very short list? Lieberman of course, yet there will be a much better field to choose from come 08' then the list you have provided.
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msindependent
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| Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 8:41 am Post subject: |
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not a swiftboat veteran, just hated kerry. conservative on taxes, owning guns, war against terror, all of which i consider the most important. a lot of the other issues i'm a moderate.
1. Liebermann
2. McCain (no stone throwing)
3. kill myself (not really) |
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Snipe
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The problem seems to be that the Dems are rooting around in the
Senate and House for a presidential candidate. They should be
checking out the various state houses instead. JFK was the last
President to go directly from the Senate to the White House. Think
about it.
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Schadow
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My preferences for Republican presidential candidates (probably in order):
Condi Rice. Seasoned in foreign policy. Great academic credentials. A good, concise speaker. Single (gasp!) What might the opposition do with that? She would face "oreo" slander from the neo-racists.
Newt Gingrich. Strong conservative. Former Speaker of the House. Accomplished historian. Probably the most skillful in debate. Strangeness about years-ago divorce would surely come up. Especially hated by Dems as the man who turned the House majority Republican.
Mit Romney. Conservative Governor of MA. (How did that happen?) Ran a very successful Winter Olympics in Salt Lake City. Mormon (gasp!) Those who exploit religious matters will work that over.
George Allen. US Senator from VA. Former Governor of VA. I don't really know what recommends him specifically, but the Rep party loves him. Seems to be a nice guy.
I think that, with a competent campaign, any of these people could defeat any candidate the Dems come up with.
There. Chew on that.
Schadow
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Leeman
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| Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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I would not vote for McCain for dog catcher !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
who knows what he might appoint Komrade kerry too.
asst dog catcher would be ok !!!!!!!
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homesteader
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| Condi as President would remove forever the threat of Hillary ever being President. Hillary is so obsessed with being the 1st woman president that if Condi got it, Hillary would go off to milk her name and bilk the country and the world for all the praise and dough she could get, just like Bill. She will not be second anything. |
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jwb7605
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| Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Schadow wrote: | My preferences for Republican presidential candidates (probably in order):
Condi Rice. <SNIP>
Newt Gingrich. <SNIP>
Mit Romney. <SNIP>
George Allen. <SNIP>
I think that, with a competent campaign, any of these people could defeat any candidate the Dems come up with.
There. Chew on that.
Schadow |
My preferences, too. Also in that order.
The question, though, was more intended along the line of "which would you rather do: suck snot out of a dead horse till his face caved in, or slide down a fifty foot razorblade?" 
The initial options I suggested, IMHO, were horses and razorblades.
... and, who's to say we won't have those options in '08?
(P.S.: Totally off the subject, but the phrase " '08 " is starting to remind me of my grandfather, who used to talk about the weather in those years (different century) ... and I do remember the "winter of '65 ... )  |
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Schadow
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| jwb7605 wrote: | | (P.S.: Totally off the subject, but the phrase " '08 " is starting to remind me of my grandfather, who used to talk about the weather in those years (different century) ... and I do remember the "winter of '65 ... ) |
My favorite is "We didn't have winters like this when Nixon was president!"
One of my favorite gripes is people who insist on dividing all history (at least since the 1920s) into decades. The '60s were this. The '70s were that. As if there were sharp dividing lines every tenth New Year's eve. I wonder what they'll call the present one, the "Uh-ohs"?
Forgive me for driving the topic farther off. 
Schadow
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msindependent
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| Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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| well gee, jwb, looks like nobody wants to answer to your choices (lol). for the record, dr. rice is my number one favorite. i don't know that she wants it however. |
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fortdixlover
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| Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 1:13 am Post subject: Re: A question intended to start a spirited discussion |
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| GenrXr wrote: | | Secondly, this site is full of Democrats. I would guess of the SVPT supporters close to or over 50 percent have voted Democrat in their lifetimes. |
The issue is not political affiliation.
The issue is stance on individual freedom, personal dignity and liberty. I would imagine all who post positively for the Swiftvets believe in those values, regardless of what "party" they belong to.
By the way, I consider myself not red, not blue, but a Rubik's cube.
All sorts of colors on different issues, compatible with the above values.
-- FDL
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GenrXr
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| Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 1:35 am Post subject: Re: A question intended to start a spirited discussion |
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| fortdixlover wrote: | | GenrXr wrote: | | Secondly, this site is full of Democrats. I would guess of the SVPT supporters close to or over 50 percent have voted Democrat in their lifetimes. |
The issue is not political affiliation.
The issue is stance on individual freedom, personal dignity and liberty. I would imagine all who post positively for the Swiftvets believe in those values, regardless of what "party" they belong to.
By the way, I consider myself not red, not blue, but a Rubik's cube.
All sorts of colors on different issues, compatible with the above values.
-- FDL |
I agree with you FDL and should of emphasized that point in further wording. The point is the supporters for SVPT are from the left and the right, which is never shown in the MSM.
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GenrXr
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| Schadow wrote: | My preferences for Republican presidential candidates (probably in order):
Condi Rice. Seasoned in foreign policy. Great academic credentials. A good, concise speaker. Single (gasp!) What might the opposition do with that? She would face "oreo" slander from the neo-racists.
Newt Gingrich. Strong conservative. Former Speaker of the House. Accomplished historian. Probably the most skillful in debate. Strangeness about years-ago divorce would surely come up. Especially hated by Dems as the man who turned the House majority Republican.
Mit Romney. Conservative Governor of MA. (How did that happen?) Ran a very successful Winter Olympics in Salt Lake City. Mormon (gasp!) Those who exploit religious matters will work that over.
George Allen. US Senator from VA. Former Governor of VA. I don't really know what recommends him specifically, but the Rep party loves him. Seems to be a nice guy.
I think that, with a competent campaign, any of these people could defeat any candidate the Dems come up with.
There. Chew on that.
Schadow |
That is a great list Schadow, although Condi and Newt should be switched in placement. Problem with Newt though is he is a true conservative, which would be great for the country, but almost impossible to get the bleeding heart vote. Newt was so right on orphanages, yet raked over the coals for his idea on it. The left made him out to be a wicked man bent on turning the country back to the dawn of industrialization and evoked the Oliver Twist tale for dramatic effect. Sad thing is we live in a world where many children are not loved or cared for properly and foster homes is not the great solution social planners thought it would be.
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jwb7605
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| Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 2:19 am Post subject: Re: A question intended to start a spirited discussion |
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| fortdixlover wrote: | | GenrXr wrote: | | Secondly, this site is full of Democrats. I would guess of the SVPT supporters close to or over 50 percent have voted Democrat in their lifetimes. |
The issue is not political affiliation.
The issue is stance on individual freedom, personal dignity and liberty. I would imagine all who post positively for the Swiftvets believe in those values, regardless of what "party" they belong to.
By the way, I consider myself not red, not blue, but a Rubik's cube.
<image snipped ...>
All sorts of colors on different issues, compatible with the above values.
-- FDL |
I'm thinking you're wrong: more like 85-90% have voted Democrat, or independent, at a minimum. 
What I'm interested in are which poor decisions we'd make e.g.:
Nixon vs Carter
Extremely competent with few scruples vs Virtually incompetent, clueless, and well-intentioned.
I've not seen too many political choices presented to me that did not force me to compromise somewhere on the individual freedom, personal dignity and/or liberty issues.
Seems to me like history has taught us that we get bad results either way, but the question is: "which part would you rather have hurting" ... your ethical side, or your material side? A direct result of Nixon's scruples (moral failings?) was the ability of the "far left" to advance their various causes once he was discovered -- the public became disgusted, and chose anything opposite, without thinking far enough ahead with respect to consequences. A direct result of Carter's piousness and naïveté was the perception that this society is totally gutless. That has led to some reasonably successful economic threats, as well as the obvious terrorist type.
So, we seem to have advanced to the point where morality is not clearly definable, and our enemies might possibly become allies, if we just negotiate wisely.
('scuse, me, I'm feeling ill ...)
FYI: the "probably, therefore, Republican" parenthetical phrase in my initial post is, in plain fact, what 'the public' thinks, not what the reality is. If you're not aware of that, you probably don't have to associate with the left people much. If that's the case, I recommend you don't start soon. |
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GenrXr
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| Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 5:25 am Post subject: Re: A question intended to start a spirited discussion |
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| jwb7605 wrote: | A direct result of Carter's piousness and naïveté was the perception that this society is totally gutless. That has led to some reasonably successful economic threats, as well as the obvious terrorist type.
So, we seem to have advanced to the point where morality is not clearly definable, and our enemies might possibly become allies, if we just negotiate wisely.
('scuse, me, I'm feeling ill ...)
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Carter is a nuclear physicist and knows clearly his impact upon the ideological landscape. The problem with Carter is he does not believe in God. The peanut farmer Americans were told to believe was the reincarnation of Truman was nothing more then an evil self promoter. He is a man without a soul.
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