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BuffaloJack · Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 6:04 pm Post subject: a premeditated act of terrorism

http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/site/modules/news/article.php?storyid=129
"Law Enforcement Insider: “This was a Failed Terrorist Attack"

OKLady · Lt.Jg. Joined: 17 Sep 2004 Posts: 126 Location: Edmond, OK

If this was really a failed attempt, that insider better be telling a lot more people and they better be brave enough to be very public about it. I'll be watching the local news and I bet there is nothing about it.

I have a problem with these anon comments and if something did happen at a game or elsewhere in the state, I would hold that anon source even more responsible than the rest of the govt crew.

If you are in a govt job and your bosses are screwing it up - there are ways to correct it - go up the chain of command and get it fixed. These days, an "anon souce" just doesn't cut it with me. For all I know the reporter is making the crap up since he is too lazy to really do the research for it.

kate · Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 6:16 am Post subject:

PhantomSgt · Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 8:59 am Post subject:

Unfortunately this could be coming to a Shopping Mall near you.

From MEMRI:

Editor of U.S. Arabic Newspaper: Religious Extremism is Spreading Among Muslim Youth in the U.S.

In an article published in the London Arabic daily Al-Quds Al-Arabi, Dr. Muhriz Al-Husseini, director of the Center for Dialogue and Research and editor of the U.S.-published newspaper Al-Minassa Al-'Arabiya, warns that religious extremism and ignorance are spreading among the young generation of Muslims in the U.S.

The following are excerpts from the article: [1]

Some Imams Brainwash Muslim Adolescents and Plant Bogus Ideas About Islam in Their Minds

"At a time when Arab and Islamic leaders and organizations are investing great efforts and large amounts of money and time in order to improve the image of Islam and of the Muslims, some imams are working in an organized manner to brainwash adolescents in the Muslim community and to plant bogus ideas in their minds concerning Islam, jihad, takfir [accusing other Muslims of apostasy], heresy and the way [Muslim] society has strayed from the right path. They give them interpretations of Koranic verses that have been [deliberately] chosen so as to lead them to rebel against their parents, their families, and even against the society in which they live.

"[The youths] neglect their studies and spend their time watching videotapes and listening to audio tapes - most of which are given to them for free - on ways to train Muslim youth in military and ideological jihad, along with reports on the suffering of Muslims in some Muslim countries, as well as Koranic verses and sermons that encourage jihad, martyrdom, self-sacrifice, and the striking of terror into the hearts of the enemy."

"Many Muslims Families are at Risk of Falling Apart"

"The natural consequence of these misleading actions is that many Muslim families are at risk of falling apart because of the wrong turn that their children's religious thinking has taken. Some of these youths - victims [of religious brainwashing] - are awaiting trial, and some are serving time in juvenile prisons or are under close and continuous security surveillance, since they relate to others with aggression and are trying to spread [Islam] through violence and calls to jihad...

"There are agents of various nationalities - both Arab and non-Arab - who mingle with these adolescents and choose from among them individuals with specific traits that make them susceptible to brainwashing - young people who have a natural tendency for misbehavior and who accept violence as a means of imposing their views and their way."

LINK: http://memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD110506

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dusty · Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 3:43 pm Post subject:

Got this in an e-mail. It also chronicles why we should be suspicious of any and all Muslims in the US no matter what they may say in public.

LewWaters · Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 3:51 pm Post subject:

AMOS · Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 3:55 pm Post subject: Work Ethic.

I wonder if their work ethic would measure up with that of Americans. In the pictures I see, it seems a lot of them don't do much of anything all day. Maybe it's just me.

dusty · Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 4:10 pm Post subject:

You are right of course Lew. There are Muslims who are not blinded by the intolerance for others of different faith that their religon requires and it is wrong to lump the individuals themselves all into the same box.
Rather it is the religous teachings of their sacred text that causes the suspicion of it's followers.

Dusty
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LewWaters · Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 8:22 pm Post subject:

PhantomSgt · Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 12:53 pm Post subject:

LewWaters · Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 3:23 pm Post subject:

Sarge, I do not consider my acceptance of the First Admendment as a weakness. I also see that this war is going to be a long fought war and one I feel was started 30 years too late.

However, the insistence of others to demonize some one fifth of the world's population and condemn them based solely upon what non-Muslims state they believe and assigning the actions of the small percentage of radical extremists to all could very well make it last all that much longer.

We demand they accept our Christian beliefs and tolerate Christians in their countries, something I strongly support. Yet, every chance we get, we condemn their beliefs and even mis-state what all of them believe, again, based upon what some non-Muslims say. No one gives a hoot what Muslims themselves say they believe, Preacher so and so says different and he must know better.

Like I have said many time, this is a war against terror and terrorists, not against Islam itself. Some wish to make it against all of Islam. Terrorists wish to use a radical view of Islam to dominate the world. Sadly, a few Christians would use their view of Christianity to do the same, if given the chance. In the past, some have tried.

As I have shown repeatedly, Muslims are serving and dying in this war against terror. Yet, some would leave me to believe they deserve no honor, even though they died protecting Christians. These are American Service members who voluntarily enlisted and fight against terror.

We Viet Nam veterans especially should see the dishonor we have chosen to subject these American Service members to, based upon their religion. We were scorned and at times, still are. Do American Muslims serving in our Military now merit the treatment we have complained about for over 30 years?

edited to add: At a time we are encouraging Muslims wordwide to stand up against terrorists that have highjacked their religion, we are also condemning them because of what we perceive they believe. Terrorists see this also and point out that we wish to slaughter them all, working against the ultimate goal of defeating terror. Our own hatred of another's religious views is working directly against us.

msindependent · Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 12:21 am Post subject:

gosh, lew waters for president (i couldn't agree with you more).

edit: after my rather flippant answer, i've been thinking about the muslims i've known. while i knew a few in college (males, who i didn't care for) and in the work place, i've only been around one in the last few years. she's a divorced mother who is serving in the army, did 14 months in iraq. she's just as much as an american as i am, probably more so since she actually did battle with the extremists.

PhantomSgt · Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 7:37 pm Post subject:

I'm sure the Jews in Israel feel exactly as you do Lew. The level of tolerance shown to them by Muslims is legendary.

The Christians residing in Muslim Nations around the Planet are comforted by your thoughts and concerns for their necks. That is if they can keep their heads about them.

All of this makes sense if you live in the land of Starbucks.

If our Founding Fathers were facing the same threat from Radical Islam as we face today, can you honestly say the Constitution or Bill of Rights would have ended up written in the same fashion?

Seldom do we have a Christian "Nut Case" running around killing the innocent all while saying God ordered him or her to do it. When discovered we put these folks away for good in a rubber room. Gitmo has become our home for insane Muslims.

Time to wake up and smell the Starbucks Lew.
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BuffaloJack · Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 7:55 pm Post subject:

PhantomSgt:
I'm afraid I'll have to side with LewWaters on this one.
This site is funded as a 527 organization and subject to various rules, laws and restrictions regarding content.
We may be able to rant, bellow and blow off steam as individuals, but Lew is looking out for the long term continuance of this organization. If Swiftvets.com is needed in the future to confront Kerry, the stated purpose of the site, then we have to conduct ourselves so as not to jeopardize the continuance of the organization.
I am thankful that Lew steers us and keeps us on the path toward this mission.
It's easy to lose site of this fact as we make daily posts to this forum.
Jack
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baldeagle · Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 3:03 am Post subject:

Something to ponder................
What do y'all figure the odds are that sometime in the future there will be a faction split off from Islam to form a less radical form of the religion, as Martin Luther did when he could no longer tolerate the Catholicism of his day.
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